Meaning of the word Masjid?
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I was thinking a bit of the word masjid in the Qur'an, which is translated as Mosque. Did this word exist in pre-Qur'anic times? What did it mean? How was it decided that it referred to a type of building which the Qur'an does not describe nor existed prior to the revelation?
And where is the Sacred Mosque (masjid al haraam)? Doesn't legend (and, yes, I know it is legend, so not necessarily trustworthy) hold it that Muhammad ascended to heaven from Jerusalem, thus placing the Sacred Mosque there by 171 and not at Mecca? (and before someone shoots at me saying that the mosque at Jerusalem is the Masjid al Aqsa that 171 refers to, remember that the name Masjid al Aqsa was given to the Dome of the Rock after Muhammad's death). Is there any other Qur'anic evidence as to the location of the Sacred Mosque? -
Peace claurianta,
remember that the name Masjid al Aqsa was given to the Dome of the Rock after Muhammad's death).
Yes, post-quranic sectarians were in the habit of naming things that they built themselves after common nouns in the great reading in order to deceive people and give their shrines legitimacy.
If you want to know the true meaning of "masjid" simply replace the proper name with a common noun and translate it and related terms such as "sujud" with the meaning that fits in how the term is used throughout the great reading.
I hope this helps.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace be upon you,
masjid=place of hearing and obeying
Its a place WITHIN you, not a phsycial object.
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See Siin-Jiim-Dal in http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
Thanks for that website... that will help me a lot )
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Peace
Peace claurianta,
claurianta wrote
remember that the name Masjid al Aqsa was given to the Dome of the Rock after Muhammad's death).Yes, post-quranic sectarians were in the habit of naming things that they built themselves after common nouns in the great reading in order to deceive people and give their shrines legitimacy.
If you want to know the true meaning of "masjid" simply replace the proper name with a common noun and translate it and related terms such as "sujud" with the meaning that fits in how the term is used throughout the great reading.
I hope this helps.
Peace,
Ayman
At last a voice of reason! lol
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Peace all,
Masjid al-Haram is named so because certain things are forbidden in the general vicinity of it.
The Sacred/Restricted Mosque,as it is today did not exist prior to the revelation,but the general area of the restricted temple did.
And yes its in Jerusalem not Mecca.And who is more unjust than he who prevents (men) from the Massjid of Allah that His name should be remembered in them, and strives to ruin them? (As for) these, it was not proper for them that they should have entered them except in fear; they shall meet with disgrace in this world, and they shall have great chastisement in the hereafter.
It is made lawful to you to go into your wives on the night of the fast; they are an apparel for you and you are an apparel for them; Allah knew that you acted unfaithfully to yourselves, so He has turned to you (mercifully) and removed from you (this burden); so now be in contact with them and seek what Allah has ordained for you, and eat and drink until the whiteness of the day becomes distinct from the blackness of the night at dawn, then complete the fast till night, and have not contact with them while you are in retreat in the Masajid; these are the limits of Allah, so do not go near them. Thus does Allah make clear His communications for men that they may guard (against evil).
17- The idolaters have no right to visit the Masajid of Allah while bearing witness to unbelief against themselves, these it is whose doings are null, and in the fire shall they abide.
18- Only he shall visit the Masajid of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up prayer and pays the poor-rate and fears none but Allah; so (as for) these, it may be that they are of the followers of the right course.
Also look at 928 It clearly says that polythiest are forbidden in the area of the Sacred Mosque/Restricted Mosque
Khalifa
O you who believe, the idol worshipers are polluted; they shall not be permitted to approach the Sacred Masjid after this year. If you fear loss of income, GOD will shower you with His provisions, in accordance with His will. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
Yusuf Ali
O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will God enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for God is All-knowing, All-wise.
Pickthal
O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
Shakir
O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
Sher Ali
O ye who believe ! surely, the idolaters are unclean. So they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year of theirs. And if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you out of HIS bounty, if HE pleases. Surely, Allah is All-knowing, Wise.Qad nara taqalluba wajhika fee alssama-ifalanuwalliyannaka qiblatan tardaha fawalli wajhakashatra almasjidi alharami wahaythu makuntum fawalloo wujoohakum shatrahu wa-inna allatheenaootoo alkitaba layaAAlamoona annahu alhaqqu minrabbihim wama Allahu bighafilin AAammayaAAmaloona
We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do.Wamin haythu kharajta fawalliwajhaka shatra almasjidi alharami wa-innahulalhaqqu min rabbika wama Allahu bighafilinAAamma taAAmaloona
From whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; that is indeed the truth from the Lord. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.
Wamin haythu kharajta fawalliwajhaka shatra almasjidi alharami wahaythuma kuntum fawalloo wujoohakum shatrahu li-allayakoona lilnnasi AAalaykum hujjatun illaallatheena thalamoo minhum falatakhshawhum waikhshawnee wali-otimma niAAmatee AAalaykumwalaAAallakum tahtadoona
So from whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; and wheresoever ye are, Turn your face thither that there be no ground of dispute against you among the people, except those of them that are bent on wickedness; so fear them not, but fear Me; and that I may complete My favours on you, and ye May (consent to) be guided;
Waoqtuloohum haythuthaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatuashaddu mina alqatli wala tuqatiloohum AAindaalmasjidi alharami hatta yuqatilookumfeehi fa-in qatalookum faoqtuloohum kathalikajazao alkafireena
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
Laysa AAalaykum junahun an tabtaghoofadlan min rabbikum fa-itha afadtum minAAarafatin faothkuroo Allaha AAindaalmashAAari alharami waothkuroohu kamahadakum wa-in kuntum min qablihi lamina alddalleena
It is no crime in you if ye seek of the bounty of your Lord (during pilgrimage). Then when ye pour down from (Mount) Arafat, celebrate the praises of Allah at the Sacred Monument, and celebrate His praises as He has directed you, even though, before this, ye went astray.
Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoola taqtuloo alssayda waantum hurumunwaman qatalahu minkum mutaAAammidan fajazaon mithlu maqatala mina alnnaAAami yahkumu bihi thawaAAadlin minkum hadyan baligha alkaAAbati aw kaffaratuntaAAamu masakeena aw AAadlu thalika siyamanliyathooqa wabala amrihi AAafa AllahuAAamma salafa waman AAada fayantaqimu Allahuminhu waAllahu AAazeezun thoo intiqamin
O ye who believe! Kill not game while in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb. If any of you doth so intentionally, the compensation is an offering, brought to the Ka'ba, of a domestic animal equivalent to the one he killed, as adjudged by two just men among you; or by way of atonement, the feeding of the indigent; or its equivalent in fasts that he may taste of the penalty of his deed. Allah forgives what is past for repetition Allah will exact from him the penalty. For Allah is Exalted, and Lord of Retribution.
JaAAala Allahu alkaAAbata albayta alharamaqiyaman lilnnasi waalshshahra alharamawaalhadya waalqala-ida thalikalitaAAlamoo anna Allaha yaAAlamu ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi waanna Allaha bikullishay-in AAaleemun
Allah made the Ka'ba, the Sacred House, an asylum of security for men, as also the Sacred Months, the animals for offerings, and the garlands that mark them That ye may know that Allah hath knowledge of what is in the heavens and on earth and that Allah is well acquainted with all things.
Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoola tuhilloo shaAAa-ira Allahi walaalshshahra alharama wala alhadya walaalqala-ida wala ammeena albayta alharamayabtaghoona fadlan min rabbihim waridwananwa-itha halaltum faistadoo walayajrimannakum shanaanu qawmin an saddookum AAanialmasjidi alharami an taAAtadoo wataAAawanooAAala albirri waalttaqwa wala taAAawanooAAala al-ithmi waalAAudwani waittaqooAllaha inna Allaha shadeedu alAAiqabi
O ye who believe! Violate not the sanctity of the symbols of Allah, nor of the sacred month, nor of the animals brought for sacrifice, nor the garlands that mark out such animals, nor the people resorting to the sacred house, seeking of the bounty and good pleasure of their Lord. But when ye are clear of the sacred precincts and of pilgrim garb, ye may hunt and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour fear Allah for Allah is strict in punishment.
Wama lahum alla yuAAaththibahumuAllahu wahum yasuddoona AAani almasjidi alharamiwama kanoo awliyaahu in awliyaohu illaalmuttaqoona walakinna aktharahum la yaAAlamoona
But what plea have they that Allah should not punish them, when they keep out (men) from the sacred Mosque - and they are not its guardians? No men can be its guardians except the righteous; but most of them do not understand.
Kayfa yakoonu lilmushrikeena AAahdun AAindaAllahi waAAinda rasoolihi illa allatheena AAahadtumAAinda almasjidi alharami fama istaqamoolakum faistaqeemoo lahum inna Allaha yuhibbualmuttaqeena
How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them for Allah doth love the righteous.
AjaAAaltum siqayata alhajjiwaAAimarata almasjidi alharami kaman amanabiAllahi waalyawmi al-akhiri wajahadafee sabeeli Allahi la yastawoona AAinda AllahiwaAllahu la yahdee alqawma alththalimeena
Do ye make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Sacred Mosque, equal to (the pious service of) those who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and strive with might and main in the cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah and Allah guides not those who do wrong.
Rabbana innee askantu min thurriyyateebiwadin ghayri thee zarAAin AAinda baytika almuharramirabbanaliyuqeemoo alssalata faijAAalaf-idatan mina alnnasi tahwee ilayhim waorzuqhummina alththamarati laAAallahum yashkuroona
"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Thy Sacred House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer so fill the hearts of some among men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits so that they may give thanks.
Subhana allathee asrabiAAabdihi laylan mina almasjidi alharami ilaalmasjidi al-aqsa allathee barakna hawlahulinuriyahu min ayatina innahu huwa alssameeAAualbaseeru
Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).
Inna allatheena kafaroo wayasuddoonaAAan sabeeli Allahi waalmasjidi alharamiallathee jaAAalnahu lilnnasi sawaanalAAakifu feehi waalbadi waman yurid feehibi-ilhadin bithulmin nuthiqhu min AAathabinaleemin
As to those who have rejected (Allah), and would keep back (men) from the Way of Allah, and from the Sacred Mosque, which We have made (open) to (all) men - equal is the dweller there and the visitor from the country - and any whose purpose therein is profanity or wrong-doing - them will We cause to taste of a most Grievous Penalty.
Humu allatheena kafaroo wasaddookumAAani almasjidi alharami waalhadyamaAAkoofan an yablugha mahillahu walawla rijalunmu/minoona wanisaon mu/minatun lam taAAlamoohum antataoohum fatuseebakum minhum maAAarratun bighayriAAilmin liyudkhila Allahu fee rahmatihi man yashaolaw tazayyaloo laAAaththabna allatheenakafaroo minhum AAathaban aleeman
They are the ones who denied Revelation and hindered you from the Sacred Mosque and the sacrificial animals, detained from reaching their place of sacrifice. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom ye did not know that ye were trampling down and on whose account a crime would have accrued to you without (your) knowledge, (Allah would have allowed you to force your way, but He held back your hands) that He may admit to His Mercy whom He will. If they had been apart, We should certainly have punished the Unbelievers among them with a grievous Punishment.
Laqad sadaqa Allahu rasoolahualrru/ya bialhaqqi latadkhulunnaalmasjida alharama in shaa Allahu amineenamuhalliqeena ruoosakum wamuqassireena latakhafoona faAAalima ma lam taAAlamoo fajaAAala mindooni thalika fathan qareeban
Truly did Allah fulfil the vision for His Messenger ye shall enter the Sacred Mosque, if Allah wills, with minds secure, heads shaved, hair cut short, and without fear. For He knew what ye knew not, and He granted, besides this, a speedy victory.
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And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
Guess this is describing a mental problem since some see all this as mental and non physical..whatever...
O ye who believe! Violate not the sanctity of the symbols of Allah, nor of the sacred month, nor of the animals brought for sacrifice, nor the garlands that mark out such animals, nor the people resorting to the sacred house, seeking of the bounty and good pleasure of theirLord . But when ye are clear of the sacred precincts and of pilgrim garb, ye may hunt and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour fear Allah for Allah is strict in punishment.
I guess since all this is mental and not physical things and a physical place and real animals then when we are clear headed and not fantasizing about wearing pilgrim garb then we can go hunting ...I guess its our hatred of people that makes us fantasize about them and this will keep us out of our minds...whatever
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Salam,
Few Questions
1, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque.
How the earth is a globe how can i do that?
2, what is Masjidil-aqsa?
3, Which of the following is correct or more accurate?
We showed to Abraham ?The House? for mankind as the place of assembly and security. Use the station of Abraham as a place of the ?ritual prayers?. We gave instructions to Abraham to clean ?My House? with Ishmael for the people who encircle it, retreat in it and for those who bow and prostrate physically to it. 2125
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God pointed to Abraham the system as a point of focus and security for mankind. Take (learn) from the status of Abraham who was committed. We contracted Abraham and Ishmael to cleanse My system, for throngs of people, those who devote to it, and those who humble themselves in submission.? 2125
Also doesn't the following make more sense, than your translations?
Do not violate God?s decrees (sha?iral-lah), and the restricted months (on hunting), and the guidance (about hunting), and the indicators (of hunting) and the restrictions in the system (bai-tal-harama) when seeking the grace and pleasure of God. But when they are permitted (halal-tum), you may hunt. Do not be provoked by the enmity of those who prevent you from submitting to the sanctions of the submission (anil-mas-jidil-harami) and do not aggress. Cooperate with each other in righteous deeds and piety, and do not cooperate with those committing sins and aggression. (Chapter 5 Verse 2)
However, if we kill the wildlife during the restricted months (shah-rul-harrama) on purpose, the food is still permitted for us to eat, but we pay a fine.
O you who believe, do not kill the wildlife when you are restricted (hurumun). If anyone kills on purpose, he shall expiate with an equivalent livestock to be judged by two equitable men from among you as guides to determine the ?ankles? (ka?bati). Or expiating by feeding the poor or atonement for it by fasting, so that he feels the consequences of his actions. God has pardoned his previous offences. Whoever reverts to his offence, God will avenge from him. God is almighty, avenger. (Chapter 5 Verse 95).
Peace
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Peace bmbmm,
Salam,
Few Questions
1, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque.
How the earth is a globe how can i do that?
Its the act of obedience/submission to GOD,whats in our hearts and mind thats what GOD looks at,while we may not be exact on the actual direction.
2, what is Masjidil-aqsa?
The farthest Masjid or literally "the place of the submitted that is the farthest"Not sure if theres a better translation?I believe it is possible referring to a vision and not an actual place.Though I could be arong.
3, Which of the following is correct or more accurate?
We showed to Abraham ?The House? for mankind as the place of assembly and security. Use the station of Abraham as a place of the ?ritual prayers?. We gave instructions to Abraham to clean ?My House? with Ishmael for the people who encircle it, retreat in it and for those who bow and prostrate physically to it. 2125
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God pointed to Abraham the system as a point of focus and security for mankind. Take (learn) from the status of Abraham who was committed. We contracted Abraham and Ishmael to cleanse My system, for throngs of people, those who devote to it, and those who humble themselves in submission.? 2125
Both could be or this could even be correct.
We rendered to Abraham the house as a point of focus and security for mankind. Take (learn) from the status of Abraham who was committed. We contracted Abraham and Ishmael to cleanse My House, for throngs of people, those who devote to it, and those who humble themselves in submission.?
Also doesn't the following make more sense, than your translations?
Do not violate God?s decrees (sha?iral-lah), and the restricted months (on hunting), and the guidance (about hunting), and the indicators (of hunting) and the restrictions in the system (bai-tal-harama) when seeking the grace and pleasure of God. But when they are permitted (halal-tum), you may hunt. Do not be provoked by the enmity of those who prevent you from submitting to the sanctions of the submission (anil-mas-jidil-harami) and do not aggress. Cooperate with each other in righteous deeds and piety, and do not cooperate with those committing sins and aggression. (Chapter 5 Verse 2)
However, if we kill the wildlife during the restricted months (shah-rul-harrama) on purpose, the food is still permitted for us to eat, but we pay a fine.
O you who believe, do not kill the wildlife when you are restricted (hurumun). If anyone kills on purpose, he shall expiate with an equivalent livestock to be judged by two equitable men from among you as guides to determine the ?ankles? (ka?bati). Or expiating by feeding the poor or atonement for it by fasting, so that he feels the consequences of his actions. God has pardoned his previous offences. Whoever reverts to his offence, God will avenge from him. God is almighty, avenger. (Chapter 5 Verse 95).
Peace
Looks okay to me,I am not sure if theres a better translation for (anil-mas-jidil-harami) though,not sure if harami can mean sanctioned and not sure if ka'bati means ankles?
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Another possibility
Masajids
Masjid is the place where muslims meet to do consensus. In a system masajids are like parliamentarian houses where rules and laws are made, discussion, meetings and consensus are done in the light of guidance of Quran.In 72/18 Quran says" Masajids are for the God,don't include name of any one else in His authority ". Masjid for God means we should make laws and by laws in the light of God's guidance in these places and implement them for the welfare of society. In this way Government of God will reflects its promised results in the society. Any place prior to the formation of state or after the formation of state where this job will be done will be called masjid in real sense.
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3844This understanding is not far from masjid = place of hering and obeying.
Peace
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Peace
Masaajid were for the people of those times.
Those who witnessed the revelation of the message had specific obligations. The challenge was among them.
Their salaah, obligation/commitment at fixed times, salaatul fajr, and salaatul Isha, were assemblies in places of submitting, masaajid, where the messenger rehearsed the message and it was done at fixed times. They were told to wear good clothes, wash, don?t show up drunk, make room, ask permission to leave etc. Hands were assigned to write it down. They were told to come when he called them to these assemblies. These places were for God alone, not business etc. The hypocrites took a masjid and the messenger was told not to stand in it. Also see 2941. This was the way the message was disseminated to the people. Even during battles the messenger rehearsed and some stayed behind to rehearse with the people not fighting.
There is nothing for the reader to do with this information but to know what happened and grasp some bottom lines. We see the beginning of an orderly society not following religion. Not to establish new masaajid, rehearse the message etc. There is no challenge to the masjidil haraam for us.
The MASJIDIL HARAM is the MAQAMA Abraham. It was the ancient house of Noah. , the BAITUL ATIQ. It was the place sanctioned by the God for rehearsing His message. When the Messenger and followers of the new messenger came and challenged the controllers of this masjid haram, the Bani Israel , the descendants of those who came with Noah, there was fighting for control of it and it was the fulfillment of what was told to Abraham. The people came. The Bani Israel were told to take the maqama, place of Abraham. The messenger came there so there could be no argument against him since he was professing to be from the line of messengers and there was no distinction between any of them. It was the same message as those who built and maintained the sanctioned place of submitting professed. They recognize the message but don?t want to follow an arab. They were changing the message and hiding it. They were lying, calling him a madman and planning against him and those with him. The God told the messenger and those with him to fight them back. Turn them out of the masjid and wherever they turned them out from. Fight them until they stopped fighting. Fight them until deen was for the God alone. The rejecters and the hypocrites had no right to maintain the masjid. Eventually the pagans were banned also. This also, of course, is not an injunction for all mankind. That particular fight is over.
The messenger and his followers were given the speech to say in the challenge (hajj) with these people. There were rules of conduct when they took this challenge, no jadil/arguing, no sex during the day, they were to bring provisions, 10 days, etc. They were devoted in the masjid. .
We have not been enjoined with this ?salaah? or commitment. We have not been enjoined to establish masaajid nor is it necessary. We have not been enjoined to fight for control of the masjid haraam. We have a record in this reading of what they did. We have a record of the permanent moral values enjoined on them as they became an orderly community of those serving the God without religion. They established deen al Islam. They learned to write wills, , they learned to witness contracts, they learned to deal justly and equitably, they learned what was aggression and what was exceeding the limits in retaliation, they learned to be modest and chaste, they learned equality of the sexes, they learned how to marry and divorce to establish correct bloodlines, they learned to avoid excess, they learned how to be clean and eat clean, they learned that slavery was not a good thing, they were warned about the effects of slander, they learned their responsibilities as members of an orderly society and they learned what dragged down a society. We can learn from what was enjoined on those who ?aamanuu? what is important in the establishment of deen al Islam.
There is one big picture and I?ve simplified it for brevity. There is much more to learn in this picture and if you begin with the right understanding you will make the connections. We do not have to guess we have to study. There is guidance and explanations from the guidance. There is no religion in the reading. There are 2 parties of men, the party for the God and the party for Shaytan. The God says this is an ?Arabic Qur'aan?, that translated is, an ?eloquently clearly expressed reading?. Anyone needing references numbers please ask but I know most of you are familiar with the reading enough to find them.
I think that if we are grounded in the gender, number and tense of the words we will be better able to make the link to the verses that explain each other. The little words such as prepositions, parts of speech, i.e, nouns of place and instrument, and the use of vocatives i.e, O and ?li? to indicate the addressee etc. also clarify things. For example in 2012 the translators all say ?in the sacred valley?. Bil or bi does not ever translate into the word ?in?. My grammar references specifically note this as a gross error. Fil or fi is used for ?in? a place and it is consistently used as such in the reading. Therefore, there is a very different understanding in what is being said to Musa in 2012.
We have the complete message in a book. Within these narratives are the locks on the meanings that explain all things in the timeless message to all mankind.
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Salam,
As for me, I believe mesjid is not physical building. We can see from the verse below
And as such, We revealed their case so that they would know that God's promise is true and that there is no doubt regarding the Hour. They argued amongst themselves regarding them, so they said "Erect a monument for them!" Their Lord is fully aware of them, those who managed to win the argument said "We will construct a temple over them."
The word use in the Quran is ?NATTAKHIDHANNA cAlay ? HIM MASJID? where they translate to construct a mesjid over them.
If we see the other verse in the Quran, ?NATTAKHID? is use as ?TAKE? not ?BUILD? or ?CONSTRUCT?.
And the one from Egypt who bought him said to his wife "Make his stay generous, perhaps he will benefit us or we may take (NATTAKHIDH) him as a son." And it was thus that We established Joseph in the land and to teach him the interpretation of dreams. And God has full power over matters, but most of mankind do not know.
God has cursed him; and he had said "I will take (ATTAKHIDHANNA) from Your servants a sizeable portion."
So, the verse should be read as ?WE SHALL TAKE UPON THEIR ACT OF COMPLIANCE (MESJID)?
Regards,
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Peace gclandcp and all. I agree. Masjid=an act of compliance.
Masjid-ul-haram=acts of compliance which are generally harmful to people and so discouraged.
Sujud to allah=an act of compliance which is mindful of consequences(akhirah=consequences.) and beneficial to people..(salihan.)
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Salam all.
It make more sense when we remove ourselves from physical structures, as physical structures do not last forever. Also they lead to idol worship etc. Maqam-Abrahim is the station of Abrahim that he believe in one God. And inside masjid-al-haram we find the station of Abrahim (not to associate anthing else or serve beside Allah, as the biggest restriction in the submission (masjid-al-haram) is to associate something else with Allah.
Aditionally, its a fact that the cube got nothing to do with the station of Abrahim because there is no signs of him inside and nither the dome of the rock because inside there are only rocks, even if Abrahim stood there, it doesn't make it a satation. However if one looks into the restrictions in the submission (not a structural temple etc) one will find a lot of signs on Abrahim.
Peace
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Peace,
You cannot arbitrarily change the grammar. This does make grammar rules infallible but where is your proof that this is an error on the parts of the grammarians. Ma-sjid is a noun of place. Mafal.
So, the verse should be read as ?WE SHALL TAKE UPON THEIR ACT OF COMPLIANCE (MESJID)?
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? so they said "Build/construct on them a BUILDING/STRUCTURE, their Lord (is) more knowledgeable with (of) them." Those who defeated/overcame on their matter/affair said "We will TAKE on them a PLACE OF SUBMITTING."?faqaloo ibnoo AAalayhim BUNYANAN rabbuhum aAAlamu bihim qala allatheena ghalaboo AAala amrihim LANATTAKHITHANNA AAalayhim MASJIDAN
A noun of place here is a specific place where the action of the verb happens as opposed to a general structure. The arabic is precise. Submitting does not equal the praying and bowing down of secularists and masjid is not a place of praying. It is not a holy place. It is a place where the messages of the God are rehearshed and not the mosques of the religionists.
The Bani Israel had masajid before the messenger.
2191 ??Do not fight them INDA the place sanctioned ?? Inda is a preposition of place/a word used to describe positon, masjid is a place and INDA here indicates AT A PLACE WITH SOMEONE.
Waanna almasajida lillahi fala tadAAoo maAAa Allahi ahadan
7218 And that the places of submitting are God, so do not call anyone with the God.'
The 'li' is a particle of purpose, so literally the places of submitting are for the purpose of the God. The translators are in the habit of ignoring these little words. It is very important to what is being said. The masjid is not God?s place nor is the bayt God?s house. They were for God?s purpose. REHEARSING THE MESSAGE.
The people of those times could not pass out copies to anyone who wants one, we can. God knew we would have this capability. Thus ?AIDIDI SAFARIN? , hands assigned to write it down. By the way a safarin is a large task, not a large book but it?s easy to follow how it came to mean that because producing a book was a large task. A KAATIB is a writer or a scribe in the reading from the root ka-ta-ba, to write. It?s the active participle, that is the person or thing that does the action of the verb.
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peace grouself and all. Doesnt language evolve with time?Are the grammar rules fixed? Can you know grammar rules just from the quran? How do you know how alif is written or pronounced according to the reading? Is the quran a dictionary and grammar book? Peace.
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The MASJIDIL HARAM is the MAQAMA Abraham. It was the ancient house of Noah. , the BAITUL ATIQ. It was the place sanctioned by the God for rehearsing His message. When the Messenger and followers of the new messenger came and challenged the controllers of this masjid haram, the Bani Israel , the descendants of those who came with Noah, there was fighting for control of it and it was the fulfillment of what was told to Abraham. The people came. The Bani Israel were told to take the maqama, place of Abraham.
Could you please expatiate this part of your text (giving all the references) ?
It is hard for me to understand it.Where is the MASJIDIL HARAM according to you ?
Peace
