Hajj,Prayer,Mecca and the Quran:
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Brother you are acting like the sunnies they even prove drinking camel urine is good for you when you are sick - and yet their is no camel urine in the hadith which they try and follow.
Good luck to your belief .
God Bless.
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Brother you are acting like the sunnies they even prove drinking camel urine is good for you when you are sick - and yet their is no camel urine in the hadith which they try and follow.
Good luck to your belief .
God Bless.
Wow bro,nice reply(not)..So using reasoning and comparisons are sunni..sorry I dont see It that way sorry..
Bayt and the Hebrew bet(h) mean the same thing form my understanding,it means house....i.e.bet-lechem in Hebrew means house of bread..not community of bread.
God bless you also! -
Salaams Br,
sorry but your reply is the same as a sunni would give me
.......look Bro Hindues drink it don't they?????
you said
Jews call it so we should???????Just trying to wake you Br. nothing bad meant.
Gods Blessings..
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Salaams Br,
sorry but your reply is the same as a sunni would give me
.......look Bro Hindues drink it don't they?????
you said
Jews call it so we should???????Just trying to wake you Br. nothing bad meant.
Gods Blessings..
Peace br,
I wasnt commenting on hindus,,,I didnt say we should call it a house because Jews call it a house,I said that both hebrew and Arabic,(both being a semitic language) have the same meaning for the same word..for example both languages have a similar word for peace..Salaam in Arabic and Shalom/Salem in Hbrew,this doesnt mean that just because Jews who speak Hbrew say it means peace it means that,its merely comparing words from 2 similar languages..that mean the same thing..hence bayt and bet(h),or salaam and salem...or Allah and Elah(aramaic for God)..Arabic,Hebrew and Aramaic are semitic languages that have many words that originated from the same words and have the same meanings..
Peace
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Salaam hamza,
here are some jewish uses if you like them more!
Bet Ha Bracha means House of Blessing. We want to bless you with high quality products made in Israel.
BLESSINGS HAVE THEIR HOUSE????
Ramat Bet Shemesh community
Bet She'arim was one of many small Jewish settlements
The Shin Bet is also responsible for preventing the funding of underground movements and terror groups ...
The Bait in arabic has a number of meanings ,i didn't make up community
check out lanes lexicon if you want to know.God Bless.
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Salaam mz357,
My origianl statement wasBayt and the Hebrew bet(h) mean the same thing form my understanding,it means house....i.e.bet-lechem in Hebrew means house of bread..not community of bread.So you see I said from my understanding they mean the same,I did not say the Arabic didnt have more than one meaning..
But I see you want to make assinine replies,so please refrain from replying to my posts,unless its educational..and showing me from the Arabic my mistakes...
Thanks and Inshallah we all will grow in our knowledge of Quran..
PeaceSalaam hamza,
here are some jewish uses if you like them more!
Bet Ha Bracha means House of Blessing. We want to bless you with high quality products made in Israel.
BLESSINGS HAVE THEIR HOUSE????
Ramat Bet Shemesh community
Bet She'arim was one of many small Jewish settlements
The Shin Bet is also responsible for preventing the funding of underground movements and terror groups ...
The Bait in arabic has a number of meanings ,i didn't make up community
check out lanes lexicon if you want to know.God Bless.
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Salaams Br,
yes i think also we will leave it there.
Gods Blessings.
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Peace,
This is a duplicate of my post on another thread but I think its revelant.
Masaajid were for the people of those times.
Those who witnessed the revelation of the message had specific obligations. The challenge was among them.
Their salaah, obligation/commitment at fixed times, salaatul fajr, and salaatul Isha, were assemblies in places of submitting, masaajid, where the messenger rehearsed the message and it was done at fixed times. They were told to wear good clothes, wash, don?t show up drunk, make room, ask permission to leave etc. Hands were assigned to write it down. They were told to come when he called them to these assemblies. These places were for God alone, not business etc. The hypocrites took a masjid and the messenger was told not to stand in it. Also see 2941. This was the way the message was disseminated to the people. Even during battles the messenger rehearsed and some stayed behind to rehearse with the people not fighting.
There is nothing for the reader to do with this information but to know what happened and grasp some bottom lines. We see the beginning of an orderly society not following religion. Not to establish new masaajid, rehearse the message etc. There is no challenge to the masjidil haraam for us.
The MASJIDIL HARAM is the MAQAMA Abraham. It was the ancient house of Noah. , the BAITUL ATIQ. It was the place sanctioned by the God for rehearsing His message. When the Messenger and followers of the new messenger came and challenged the controllers of this masjid haram, the Bani Israel , the descendants of those who came with Noah, there was fighting for control of it and it was the fulfillment of what was told to Abraham. The people came. The Bani Israel were told to take the maqama, place of Abraham. The messenger came there so there could be no argument against him since he was professing to be from the line of messengers and there was no distinction between any of them. It was the same message as those who built and maintained the sanctioned place of submitting professed. They recognize the message but don?t want to follow an arab. They were changing the message and hiding it. They were lying, calling him a madman and planning against him and those with him. The God told the messenger and those with him to fight them back. Turn them out of the masjid and wherever they turned them out from. Fight them until they stopped fighting. Fight them until deen was for the God alone. The rejecters and the hypocrites had no right to maintain the masjid. Eventually the pagans were banned also. This also, of course, is not an injunction for all mankind. That particular fight is over.
The messenger and his followers were given the speech to say in the challenge (hajj) with these people. There were rules of conduct when they took this challenge, no jadil/arguing, no sex during the day, they were to bring provisions, 10 days, etc. They were devoted in the masjid. .
We have not been enjoined with this ?salaah? or commitment. We have not been enjoined to establish masaajid nor is it necessary. We have not been enjoined to fight for control of the masjid haraam. We have a record in this reading of what they did. We have a record of the permanent moral values enjoined on them as they became an orderly community of those serving the God without religion. They established deen al Islam. They learned to write wills, , they learned to witness contracts, they learned to deal justly and equitably, they learned what was aggression and what was exceeding the limits in retaliation, they learned to be modest and chaste, they learned equality of the sexes, they learned how to marry and divorce to establish correct bloodlines, they learned to avoid excess, they learned how to be clean and eat clean, they learned that slavery was not a good thing, they were warned about the effects of slander, they learned their responsibilities as members of an orderly society and they learned what dragged down a society. We can learn from what was enjoined on those who ?aamanuu? what is important in the establishment of deen al Islam.
There is one big picture and I?ve simplified it for brevity. There is much more to learn in this picture and if you begin with the right understanding you will make the connections. We do not have to guess we have to study. There is guidance and explanations from the guidance. There is no religion in the reading. There are 2 parties of men, the party for the God and the party for Shaytan. The God says this is an ?Arabic Qur'aan?, that translated is, an ?eloquently clearly expressed reading?. Anyone needing references numbers please ask but I know most of you are familiar with the reading enough to find them.
I think that if we are grounded in the gender, number and tense of the words we will be better able to make the link to the verses that explain each other. The little words such as prepositions, parts of speech, i.e, nouns of place and instrument, and the use of vocatives i.e, O and ?li? to indicate the addressee etc. also clarify things. For example in 2012 the translators all say ?in the sacred valley?. Bil or bi does not ever translate into the word ?in?. My grammar references specifically note this as a gross error. Fil or fi is used for ?in? a place and it is consistently used as such in the reading. Therefore, there is a very different understanding in what is being said to Musa in 2012.
We have the complete message in a book. Within these narratives are the locks on the meanings that explain all things in the timeless message to all mankind.
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396-97
The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beingsIn it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,-
those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures.Those who deny that theres a physical pilgrimage and we should peform it is the one who DENYS FAITH...
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Peace
You have quoted a mutilated translation of 396
396-97
The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beingsbi-bakkata
Bi with the help of, during, for, by, on account of, according to. It is used as a corroborative to confirm and to make more certain as in 28. According to Arabic usage the words as ashrau (I begin) or aqrau (I recite) would be taken to be understood with this. Thus the phrase bismillah is in fact equivalent to saying I begin with the help and assistance of the designation of the God. It is in accord with the commandment of 961. The English word ?in? is not the equivalent and appropriate of the this particle ba. It also denotes swear, comparison, in place of, for, from, over, on, a part of, at all, in rest of.
Baa-ta to spend the night,
Wudzi?a from wadza?a 3rd person singular, passive perfect to put, set, remove, put off, deliver, give birth, relieve, lay aside, place, appoint.
Wadza?a has been used in the reading in reference to childbirth and laying aside arms. Keeping this in mind we can see that established, put up, raised, appointed etc. are the translators stretch.
Baa-ta is a word that has evolved into many meanings but we are concerned with its root meaning. We spend the night or as we might say quality time or home/house.
Baraka continuity, steadiness, firmness. Mubaarakan Blessings is a poor translation.
Bakka literally means to break the neck.
These are the words used for places
Fi preposition in and is used as in a place
Min from a place
?inda in the presence of, by, at the point of; here; The word denotes the idea of nearness whether it be actual in the sense of possession or ideational, it also denotes a sense of rank or dignity or opinion, time and place. -
Salam Jhamza, all,
Salaam All!
I believe hajj is real pilgrimage and prayers are to be facing a certain direction,since I am not positive where that exact location is I face S-SE from Alabama in the direction of the Middle east and Mecca until we have 100% proof thats its somewhere else..
If I am ever able to make pilgrimage,I will visit both Mecca and Jerusalem,but I will not partake in the obvious pagan rituals.........Surah2197-203 describe the pilgrimage..
Very good approach and may the All-Mighty help you in this process of searching for the truth. Inchallah you will be able to make pilgrimage in Mekka, Jerusalem, and even Petra and the Sinai!!!-), I did it by eliminating what you call the obvious pagan rituals but you have to realize it is not an easy task-) but what matters or at least for me, is doing our best to answer God's call to pilgrimage with a pure heart, rather than indulging into where is what as an excuse of not doing it. People tends to forget that piligrimage-- before anything else -- is about a period of time for an extensive God rememberance at a collective level. For your information (if you have never come across it), you may find the following link interesting http//www.koranlitranslateandtheconspiracy.com/mekka_bakka.htm, this web site has been set up by Brother Mohamed and his daughter, they are the first to provide a literal translation of the Quran. I had a chance to talk to him several times over the phone, he and his wife are very good persons, but he is very passionate about his research on mekka versus bakka, although I don't agree with everything he writes.
And God the All-Mighty knows best. Just sharing the link.
Peace. Myr.Salaams Sister Myr,
Thanks for the reply,and very good reply..I will be sure to read the article on the link and GOD willing We all Will continue to grow in knowledge..
As for the link it didnt work,I had to go to http//www.koranlitranslateandtheconspiracy.com/
Peace.
Hamza