Why is Mary/Maryam NOT considered a Prophet?
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Peace all
The Quran extensive use of the word ? ?, ?Rijal?, is very clear, it means men and it is the opposite of women as used in many verses in the Quran, here a few examples out of about 50
Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
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O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.
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From what is left by parents and those nearest related there is a share for men and a share for women, whether the property be small or large,-a determinate share.
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And in no wise covet those things in which Allah Hath bestowed His gifts More freely on some of you than on others To men is allotted what they earn, and to women what they earn But ask Allah of His bounty. For Allah hath full knowledge of all things.
(32)
Except those who are (really) weak and oppressed - men, women, and children - who have no means in their power, nor (a guide-post) to their way.
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-> See from just these few examples, we can understand that Rijal is men and Nisaa is women, even if we have very low IQ
Therefore, when the Quran tells us the follwing
Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but men, whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand?
(109)
-> Then repeats it again
And before thee also the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration if ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message.
(43)
-> and repeats it for the third time
Before thee, also, the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration If ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message.
(7)
It must mean that all messengers were men, because the Arabic word ? ? ?Illa?, which means ?Except? or ?But?, preceded ? ? ?Rijala?, which means 100% men according to the Quran
See how the Quran explained itself in details?, this is what Allah meant by ?He will explain it?
Peace be with all
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Peace be upon you JHamza,
All I want to discuss is the PROOF, otherwise I might as well join the Christains in church.
One Might as well join the atheist then,because one cannot prove the existence of GOD using science alone,it comes from belief in what the Quran has to say.I believe the Quran is the proof we need for the existence of GOD..The Quran is all the proof I need because it proves itself by Completing the previous scriptures and from what it says about scientific things and other things that only GOD would have known at its revealing....But if I hold the Quran up as my proof to atheist or scientest who need physical proof then I cannot prove the existence of GOD because He cannot be seen with the human eye or touched by the human hand..You have no proof of GOD or any other spiritual things except whats written in the Quran.So looking at it from that point You have no real proof..so why are you here?And it cant be because you believe ALLAH is the real GOD because youve made it plain in other posts that you see everything as symbols and metaphors..You dont believe they really exist as people,spirits etc..Thats not belief in the GOD of Islaam,thats spiritism at the least...
Peace,now on to something else...
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Peace be upon you Ahmad,
Yes, they were decsribed in MALE terms to relate it to a message being sent out by God, or we can say a seed sent out by God to impregnate the one who is receptive(fertile). But most of us have not tended to our farm so our soil is not fertile.
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Peace jhamza all. You dont necessarily need the quran to believe in god. God can be verified by his effects. My existence and the existence of other powers and entities proves that the 'all'(god.) exists. Of this there is no doubt. Can anybody doubt that we and others exist and have will/power?
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Peace be upon you Ahmad,
Yes, they were decsribed in MALE terms to relate it to a message being sent out by God, or we can say a seed sent out by God to impregnate the one who is receptive(fertile). But most of us have not tended to our farm so our soil is not fertile.
Peace Kyle
I don't get you bro, would that mean to you that messengers are males/females or males only?
thanks bro
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Peace all. You dont necessarily need the quran to believe in god. God can be verified by his effects. My existence and the existence of other powers and entities proves that the 'all'(god.) exists. Of this there is no doubt. Can anybody doubt that we and others exist and have will/power?
Peace all.Peace bro
if that God is the one who sent the Quran and wrote in it that we must believe in it to prosperwhen the last day comes, then for me you are showing the followings
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you don't believe Him when He said as such
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you are challenging Him by rejecting the Quran or parts of it
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you are showing arrogance against His message
therefore you can't prosper in the last day, sorry to tell you that bro
peace
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peace ab. Did you believe in god before you read the quran? Isnt the quran a reminder for what we already can now?(that god exists.) I thought the fitrah(nature.) of man(according to the quran.) was to automatically believe in god?(before the quran confirms it.) Did abraham believe in god through the quran or through his knowledge? Peace all.
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peace ab. Did you believe in god before you read the quran?
to be honest bro, Not really, but i started with the arabic Quran at very early age and was not forced on my by any,
the Quran made it far easier for me, especially the Quran warned me to watch for those who created self made gods for them based on their own desires
Isnt the quran a reminder for what we already can now?(that god exists.)
I see it as a reminder of what is in it regarding the laws, and what God is
I thought the fitrah(nature.) of man(according to the quran.) was to automatically believe in god?
not really according to the Quran but I say according to the hadith, the Quran only told us in a metaphor way that all humans witnessed that Allah is our God, it was actually left open for the mushrikon as the decleration was "He is our God", it was not "He is our ONLY God"
and the Quran will make us aware of shirk and will always remind us not to come near it
(before the quran confirms it.) Did abraham believe in god through the quran or through his knowledge? Peace all.
Yes, but you are missing the point here bro, the Quran was not sent to Abraham, or I should say it was sent after Him according to Allah plan, Abraham received other scripture though and I'm sure he was required to believe in it as we were told to believe in the Quran as the exact words of Allah as stated in the Quran, also believing in the other scriptures were sent by Allah, beliebing in the angels, believing in all messengers and believing in the Last Day are all a must requirement in addition to believing in Allah and the Quran, for any human to prosper in the judgment day
peace bro
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Salaam all,
In Arabic culture, does "men" always refers to adult human males? In English, for example, if there is a sentence, "Today will be the day where men will fight off all evil in this world." The word "men" may not necessarily just to mean adult human males, but may also include adult human females.
Just wondering if this case also applies in Arabic, such in English or Indonesian (well, we don't have gender problems in the language anyway D).
And about the status of Maryam. I personally have no problems with a female prophet or messenger. However, are there any reasons why females aren't allowed to have that position?
=adley=
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Peace be upon you Jhamza,
idolfree1 wrote
All I want to discuss is the PROOF, otherwise I might as well join the Christains in church.JHamza
One Might as well join the atheist then,because one cannot prove the existence of GOD using science aloneWhy have you disconnected Science from Religion? You must regain the ONENESS of life. The Mathematics of life proves the exsistence of a Bodiless Intelligence. How do you prove the existence of Wind?
it comes from belief in what the Quran has to say
.So people prior to 1400 years ago did not have the ability to Know The God? (Notice I did not say believe, but know). What did Musa and Abraham do? What about Noah? Poor Fellas.
I believe the Quran is the proof we need for the existence of GOD
.Belief and KNOWING are two different things. One only says they believe when they cant prove something.
The Quran is all the proof I need because it proves itself by Completing the previous scriptures
What previous scriptures are you referring to? Only those that came from Jewish sources?
and from what it says about scientific things and other things that only GOD would have known at its revealing
Thats only what you have blindly swallowed. You will find that certain ancient cultures were very intelligent.
....But if I hold the Quran up as my proof to atheist or scientest who need physical proof then I cannot prove the existence of GOD because He cannot be seen with the human eye or touched by the human hand..You have no proof of GOD or any other spiritual things except whats written in the Quran.
Poor Noah
So looking at it from that point You have no real proof..so why are you here?
Mathematics is my proof, you are the one who is not aware of the proof.
And it cant be because you believe ALLAH is the real GOD
Isn't that statement redundant? Why did you rever to Arabic?
because youve made it plain in other posts that you see everything as symbols and metaphors..You dont believe they really exist as people,spirits etc..Thats not belief in the GOD of Islaam,thats spiritism at the least...
I certainly dont believe that a man spilt a sea in two and other such nonsense. I am here to help debunk the nonsense and help bring the light.
You will just have to transcend your emotions about me. D
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Peace be upon you Ahmed
I don't get you bro, would that mean to you that messengers are males/females or males only?
Messsengers are male, female, animals, thoughts, etc.
They are symbolized as MALES in the message to reflect the male principle. Knowledge comes from the understanding of PAIRS, how else can you get balanced without understanding the pairs?
There is so much wisdom in the yin and yang of life.