Al Quran=The Reading[(not the title) of the Book]
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Peace brother Ahmed,
can you please show me the list of Asmaa Allah Al Husna that are authorised from the Quran?
and please let me know how every name you will post is authorised
I have not done a detailed research on the names of Allah in al-qur'aan but the verses that come to mind are the following
5922 He is Allah; there is no other god beside Him. Knower of all secrets and declarations. He is Al-Rahman, Al-Raheem.
5923 He is Allah; there is no other god beside Him. Al-Malik, Al-Quddoos, Assalam, Al-Mumin, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Azeez, Al-Jabbar, Al-Mutakabbir. Allah be glorified; far above what they set up.
5924 He is Allah; Al-Khaliq, Al-Bari, Al-Musawwir. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the Earth. He is Al-Aziz, Al-Hakeem.So this gives us a preliminary list of the beautiful names of Allah
Allah
Al-Rahman - The Almighty
Al-Raheem - The Merciful
Al-Malik - The King
Al-Quddoos - The Holy
Assalam - The Peace
Al-Mumin - The Faithful
Al-Muhaymin - The Supreme
Al-Aziz - The Noble
Al-Jabbar - The Powerful
Al-Mutakabbir - The Dignified
Al-Khaliq - The Creator
Al-Bari - The Initiator
Al-Musawwir - The Designer
Al-Hakeem - The WiseExcept the first name all others are ALSO His attributes and are referred to as His beautiful NAMES in the above verses. It follows that ALL attributes of Allah mentioned in al-qur'aan can also be His names.
Salm mate,
Thanks bro, this is the reply I expected, I was trying to you your own logic regarding the authority of the names
Now putting this names issue a side and let?s try to find out the orders ?to do and not to do? from the Quran, this is another subject that we may discuss later
Following link contains a list of some attributes of Allah mentioned in al-qur'aan along with identification of verses mentioning those attributes, which according to my understanding as stated above are also His beautiful names
http//www.islamicity.com/Mosque/99names.htm[/quote
Ok bro I agree that we can extract attributes about Allah from the Quran
This is another subject that we try to discuss again later
Now let?s put the two subjects ?His names & His attributes ? aside and concentrate on the ?Do and Do not?
In addition to these attributes/names of Allah, as brother Ahmed, and sister Myr recently brought to my attention, the following are also Allah's attributes/names mentioned in "al-qur'aan"
Al-Akram - The Most Generous (963)
Arham Al-Rahemeen - The Most Merciful of all the merciful (7151, 1264, 1292, 2183)Great bro, I have no problem to assume the above
By mentioning His attributes in "al-qur'aan" Allah authorizes us to use them for His glorification.
again, I agree with the above as long as we can find out the right attributes from the Quran, because with most attributes Allah never told us that is an attribute of Mine
Readers please note that Allah has NEVER mentioned the attribute "akbar" for Himself in "al-qur'aan".
I have never ever suggested that saying Allah Akabr is an attribute, and this is where we are having some misunderstanding, you agree that Allah told us to Do and Not to do many things in the Quran
Let?s consider the DOs first
One of the Dos is ?me, you and all believers? to Nuqim Al Salat, right?
One of the Dos is ?me, you and all believers? to Nusabih Allah, right?
One of the Dos is ?me, you and all believers? to Nahmadu Allah, right?
One of the Dos is ?me, you and all believers? to Nashkur Allah, right?
One of the Dos is ?me, you and all believers? to Nukabir Allah, right?, I?m using first person ?Nu?
Can you please tell me briefly, how we can do all the above, thanks
Brother Ahmed, now that I have fallen in your "trap", what "surprise" do you have for me ? just kidding bro ! lol
no traps mate, you answered the question as I expected exactly, but I?m not sure about the lots of the few questions I asked here, at the end of the day bro we are looking for the truth and we need to feel comfortable believing in that truth as long as we can handle it, we can only handle it if we are sensible and use the common sense, not much really is required to achieve that really
Peace
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Peace brother Ahmed,
Let?s consider the DOs first
One of the Dos is ?me, you and all believers? to Nuqim Al Salat, right?
One of the Dos is ?me, you and all believers? to Nusabih Allah, right?
One of the Dos is ?me, you and all believers? to Nahmadu Allah, right?
One of the Dos is ?me, you and all believers? to Nashkur Allah, right?
One of the Dos is ?me, you and all believers? to Nukabir Allah, right?, I?m using first person ?Nu?
Can you please tell me briefly, how we can do all the above, thanks
When we are asked by Allah to do something in "al-qur'aan", we submit by doing it according to how Allah tells us to do it in "al-qur'aan" and authorizes it in "al-qur'aan". We cannot INVENT our own way which is not authorized by Allah. Remember, relevant to our guidance, "al-qur'aan" is fully detailed, contains every example, is complete, and Allah does not neglect anything from it, nor does He forget.
413 A Scripture whose verses are explained in detail (fussilat), a compilation in Arabic for a people who know.
Now coming to your questions
We "nuqim al-salat" by turning towards Allah, reciting and understanding "al-qur'aan", thereby hearing it and then humbly obeying what Allah tells us in "al-qur'aan"
We dont "nuqim al-salat" just by saying "aqeem al-salat".
We "nusabih Allah" by saying the beautiful names of Allah mentioned in al-qur'aan. We can also say or "subhana Allah", as those phrases are mentioned in al-qur'aan.
We cannot "nusabih Allah" by saying names/attributes not mentioned by Allah for Himself in al-qur'aan.
We "nahmadu Allah" by saying "alhamdu lillahi rabbi al-'alameena" and also by saying His beautiful names mentioned in al-qur'aan.
We cannot "nahmadu Allah" by saying names/attributes not mentioned by Allah for Himself in al-qur'aan.
We "nashkur Allah" by saying as that is how He tells us in al-qur'aan.
We cannot "nashkur Allah" by saying "Allahu Shakir" or "Allahu Shakoor" as that will be absurd. We can however "nusabih Allah" or "nahmadu Allah" by saying "Allahu Shakir" or "Allahu Shakoor".
We "nukabir Allah" by saying His beautiful names, as His beautiful names mention His ABSOLUTE attributes that no one else can have to the same degree. We can also "nukabir Allah" by saying "Allahu Akram" or "Allahu Arham Al-Rahemeen" as these superlative attributes are mentioned by Allah for Himself in al-qur'aan.
We cannot "nukabir Allah" by inventing an attribute/name for Allah, not mentioned in al-qur'aan, thereby not authorized by Him. When someone says "Allahu akbar" then "akbar" becomes an adjective or an attribute of Allah, which is not authorized by Allah in al-qur'aan.
"akbar" is a superlative.
SUPERLATIVE Expressing the highest or lowest degree of the quality, manner, etc., denoted by an adjective or an adverb.
ADJECTIVE Added to a substantive as an attribute; a word that expresses an attribute of something
NAME A descriptive or qualifying appellation or attribute given to a person or thing, on account of a character or acts. Example His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father.
Get it brother Ahmed ? By using "akbar" in "Allahu akbar" it becomes an attribute/name of Allah.
Allah NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER mentions "akbar" to describe Himself or as an attribute for Himself in al-qur'aan. Do you think Allah forgot ?
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Peace be upon you all,
The God is above "Names". The God is not never "limited" by a such a thing. Likewise, if the God were to write a physical book, the trees as pens and the oceans as ink theywould run out before the God stopped writing.
Al Kitaab does mean "the book", but keeping in mind the above, we have to understand that the book is pointing to the Universe itself. When one attempts to proclaim guidance from the universe/life, that is quran, but in otder to find out if it is "quran" from God, we have to verify it, we have to TEST it.
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salam brother AhmedBahgat.
Salam brother darbaari
How do you say the above bro, why you are translating ?Al Quran?, to ?The Reading? and not calling it ?The Writing??,
why would i translate "al quran" to "writing" , when it means "reading" .
remember, it is also called ?Al Kitab?, and we are 100% certain that Al kitab is a collection of writings, while we are not certain that Quran means ?Reading??
i m 100% certain that quran means reading .
Ka Ta Ba? root in Arabic is ?To write?, therefore based on that logic, The Quran should be called ?The Writing? not ?The Reading?, do you agree mate?
the written aspect of the God's word is called al kitab/the writing . when read, it is called al quran/the reading .
Here is a verse calling it Kitab and Quran at the same time
YUSUFALI A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;-
PICKTHAL A Scripture whereof the verses are expounded, a Lecture in Arabic for people who have knowledge,
SHAKIR A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Quran for a people who know
(3)
in this verse , kitab and quran are not the same , but the verse is saying that "arabic quran" is the explanation of verses of kitab . which is further confirmed by 1037
1037 This Quran/Reading could not have been produced by other than God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and an explanation of the Kitab/Book in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.
see , the quran and kitab are not the same , but the quran/reading is an explanation of the kitab/written/book . both are not the same .
A final note in here, if you look at the translations by these populars translators you will see that Yusuf Ali and Shakir translated Quran to Quran, Pickthal however translated Quran to Lecture
do you think that Lecture means Reading? and why you think Yusuf Ali and Shakir translated Quran to Quran?
i dunno .
Thirdly when you answered them back that it is the Quran , what did you achieve exactly other than wasting time? Trying to be smart but back to square one? I don?t really get it bro, no disrespect here, I guess the conversation between you and that person will be diverted to why you are calling it reading but not Quran?, that is an additional waste of time bro, and the outcome will always be
It is that book called Quran,
the only reason i use the word "Koran" is to prevent the discussion from going off topic . if in a middle of a discussion(about some other topic) , i use the word "reading" or "book" , then the other person will arguing whether it is a title or an attribute . this will be due to lack of awareness on the other person's part .
Do you think the ones who name it ?Al Quran?, are Kuffar?, or let?s put this way Do you think the ones who name it ?Al Quran?, are committing a sin?
i dont know their intentions . those who are delibrately naming it "Quran" even after realizing that it means "reading" would be committing a sin .
darbaari wrote
This is the verse that was preventing me to accept that ?Al Quran? means ?the Reading?. But later , I found out that according to the Koran , the reading can be read , like the writing can be written (279) or a punishment can be punished (5115) . it might not make sense to an average human , but it makes sense in the Koran?s language .AB wrote
then based on your logic, The Qiraa should be the one to read, not the Quran, because again Quran never meaning reading but Qiraa, here is an online example
Uhibbu Al Qira'a ?
I Love Reading! Volumes 1 & 2not my logic , but the ayaat's logic . i gave u the verse references .
and i prefer the example in 7517-18 over the online example .
I have zillions of examples to show you online,
a single example from the ayaat ? the only example is in 7517-18 , which means "reading" .
but I have an important question to you
Do you think those who write these children books are fooling the innocent children?, why do you think they lied at them and told them that Reading is Qiraa and not Quran?
To discourage them from reading the Quran you reckon?
Or it is a conspiracy that most Arabs (if not all) over all generations are contributing to it somehow?
Do you think those Arabs who call Reading Qiraa and not Quran are going to hell?
i dont know their intentions . in my opinion it is mostly because of misunderstanding on their part .
darbaari wrote
because I think that ?quran? means ?reading? , like in the following verses7517 Surely, upon Us rests its collection and its reading(quraana hu) .
7518 So when We read it(quraana hu), then follow thou its reading(quraana hu) .thanks and salam.
AB wrote
this is the superiority of the language used in the Quran, this one of the things that stunned the arabs indeed, to use the name of the Quran in a miraculous way to indicate following itbrother , these verses are not using the name "Quran" . but the words "quraana hu" simply means "its reading" . not "its Quran" .
thanks and salam . )
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Peace be upon you all,
The God is above "Names". The God is not never "limited" by a such a thing. Likewise, if the God were to write a physical book, the trees as pens and the oceans as ink theywould run out before the God stopped writing.
Al Kitaab does mean "the book", but keeping in mind the above, we have to understand that the book is pointing to the Universe itself. When one attempts to proclaim guidance from the universe/life, that is quran, but in otder to find out if it is "quran" from God, we have to verify it, we have to TEST it.
salam all.
for discussion on "the book is the universe" or "the reading(quran) is not the title of any book" topic , CLICK HERE http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=66769#66769thanks .
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Peace brother Ahmed,
Just one comment on your lengthy post addressed to darbaari
Here is a logical argument. If 413 should be understood as follow
?A Book of which the verses has been explained, an Arabic Reading for a people who know?
Please note, the underline is what I think is right but is not related to our discussion here so let?s skip that, but wow bro, 431 now is very discriminate verse against the ones who don?t know Arabic
It says
- A Book of which the verses has been explained
- An Arabic Reading for a people who know
I. strangely. E. THIS BOOK IS ONLY FOR THE ONES WHO CAN READ ARABIC ? an Arabic Reading for a people who know?, while the fact of the matter is, most of the Quran readers are non Arabs and they read it in other languages but Arabic.
Now let?s look at it with what I believe is very accurate
?A Book of which the verses has been explained, an Arabic Quran for a people who know?
well, there is big difference in here, I?m sure many will deny it, but here we go
Now, 413 does not associate the book that have explained verses with Arabic reading for only the ones who know, because previously under the other concept, it means that only the ones who know how to perform ARABIC READING will receive the guidance from it. But I have seen many humans who don?t speak Arabic and understand the Quran far better than many native Arabic speakers.
Therefore, Quran is a name not an action of reading because 413 will mean ?A book of which verses has been explained, an Arabic Quran for the ones with knowledge?, those ones can be any one with any language as long as they read the Quran in their own language and gained knowledge with the will of Allah due to their sincerity. However I agree though that the name Quran incline an action of reading, but this inclination may be even false because it was never confirmed in thousands of years that the name Quran inclines an action to read, it was only a suggestion, we have never seen another book called Quran indeed, therefore it is a unique name that sure confused all of us because it was chosen by God not by humans.
Sorry bro, you have no logical argument to favor "Arabic Qur'aan" implying Qur'aan to be a proper name over "Arabic reading" in 413; both still mean that it is in Arabic, and to become one of the people having knowledge one will still have to learn Arabic !
Firstly, There is no "al-qur'aan" in this verse, just "qur'aan".
Secondly, in my understanding, "people who know" or "people having knowledge" are the people who have enough knowledge to understand the message of the Arabic qur'aan/reading, which implies that we should try to learn the Arabic language enough to understand its message. How can someone have a good understanding of the Arabic qur'aan without learning Arabic ? If we just rely on other's translations, then we are trusting the understanding of those other people, which could be wrong or flawed. We should learn enough basic Arabic so we can try to learn the meaning of the qur'aanic verses on our own, so that we can form our own understanding of what Allah is saying. Of course we should have discussions with fellow humans also, then follow the best meaning.
Most of the countries encourage learning of a second language. I had to learn English as a second language for education and career purposes. People are learning Spanish language in USA and people all over the world are learning English language. Why can't we also learn Arabic language to understand Allah's revelations for our guidance, which is more important than learning other languages for education or career purposes ?
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salam brother AhmedBahgat.
Good Morning bro
Just waked up
Salam brother darbaari
How do you say the above bro, why you are translating ?Al Quran?, to ?The Reading? and not calling it ?The Writing??,
why would i translate "al quran" to "writing" , when it means "reading" .
I didnlt mean to translate the Arabic word Al Quran to the Writing
I mean to trnalste the Arabic word Al Kitab to ?the Writing?
remember, it is also called ?Al Kitab?, and we are 100% certain that Al kitab is a collection of writings, while we are not certain that Quran means ?Reading??
i m 100% certain that quran means reading .
Please, show us just one single example from any where in the world but not from the Quran that the word Quran was used to express reading, putside the Quran,
Ka Ta Ba? root in Arabic is ?To write?, therefore based on that logic, The Quran should be called ?The Writing? not ?The Reading?, do you agree mate?
the written aspect of the God's word is called al kitab/the writing . when read, it is called al quran/the reading .
any proofs from the Quran regarding the above?
Here is a verse calling it Kitab and Quran at the same time
YUSUFALI A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;-
PICKTHAL A Scripture whereof the verses are expounded, a Lecture in Arabic for people who have knowledge,
SHAKIR A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Quran for a people who know
(3)
in this verse , kitab and quran are not the same , but the verse is saying that "arabic quran" is the explanation of verses of kitab . which is further confirmed by 1037
1037 This Quran/Reading could not have been produced by other than God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and an explanation of the Kitab/Book in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.
see , the quran and kitab are not the same , but the quran/reading is an explanation of the kitab/written/book . both are not the same .
excuse me bro, why Alllah explains to us a book that we never had?, it does not sum up bro, I commented before on 1037, here it is again
?This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds. ?
(37)
-> Bro the above verse is clear as light, it can?t be one of those Mutashabihat verses, firstly the verse can be divided into three complete sentences divided by the letter ?Waw? ? ? as follow
-> ? ?, very clear and explicitly talking about the Quran, i.e. ? This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah?-> ? ?, and this one should be clear but not as clear as the first one, the English translation was translated by YA as follow ? on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it?, obviously he understood ? ? as previous scriptures, while this logic may be acceptable, it can also be argued that Allah never mentioned previous scriptures in the verse rather ? ? which is literally ?That is between his hands?, hence I see it differently and with less speculations, that I don?t know what Allah means with that between his hands, possibly another book, possibly something else, how can we know?
The point is simply, the Quran is a confirmation to what is between Allah hands and that is the closest interpretation I can come up with according to the Arabic words, I see as Allah has His master constitution up there and the Quran is just a section of legist elations of the master constitution, this section of legislation named the Quran is only covering what we need to prosper and we will not find the whole constitution in it.
->? ?, this is the part where unneeded confusion may arise, the English translation is as follow ? and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.?, which I see it fine however the Book mentioned with no doubt that will be explained by Allah is also the Quran, remember verse 22?, just look in my signature, that verse is talking about the Quran and was also called ?Kitab?, I wonder how some think that the Kitab mentioned in 1037 is not the Quran?, well, I can tell from the composed Arabic sentences and sure from the context that it has to be 100% the Quran
Assuming the Kitab mentioned in 1037 is not the Quran and just another Kitab that Allah has up there, now please tell me
Why Allah is telling us that no doubt the explanation of the Kitab will happen if we don?t have that kitab in our hands?,
It does not make any sense bro
A final note in here, if you look at the translations by these populars translators you will see that Yusuf Ali and Shakir translated Quran to Quran, Pickthal however translated Quran to Lecture
do you think that Lecture means Reading? and why you think Yusuf Ali and Shakir translated Quran to Quran?
i dunno .
I believe lecture, does not mean reading, any native English speaker to confirm to us please?
Thirdly when you answered them back that it is the Quran , what did you achieve exactly other than wasting time? Trying to be smart but back to square one? I don?t really get it bro, no disrespect here, I guess the conversation between you and that person will be diverted to why you are calling it reading but not Quran?, that is an additional waste of time bro, and the outcome will always be
It is that book called Quran,
the only reason i use the word "Koran" is to prevent the discussion from going off topic . if in a middle of a discussion(about some other topic) , i use the word "reading" or "book" , then the other person will arguing whether it is a title or an attribute . this will be due to lack of awareness on the other person's part .
ok
Do you think the ones who name it ?Al Quran?, are Kuffar?, or let?s put this way Do you think the ones who name it ?Al Quran?, are committing a sin?
i dont know their intentions . those who are delibrately naming it "Quran" even after realizing that it means "reading" would be committing a sin .
ok and those who is calling it something else that does not exist in the Arabic language, would not be following conjecture?
Remember, so far in 1400 years, no one showed us the Al Quran means The Reading, all we heard is nothing but conjecture
darbaari wrote
This is the verse that was preventing me to accept that ?Al Quran? means ?the Reading?. But later , I found out that according to the Koran , the reading can be read , like the writing can be written (279) or a punishment can be punished (5115) . it might not make sense to an average human , but it makes sense in the Koran?s language.AB wrote
then based on your logic, The Qiraa should be the one to read, not the Quran, because again Quran never meaning reading but Qiraa, here is an online example
Uhibbu Al Qira'a ?
I Love Reading! Volumes 1 & 2not my logic , but the ayaat's logic . i gave u the verse references .
and i prefer the example in 7517-18 over the online example .
but you didn?t reply to the Quran example (413) I posted where Kitab and Quran were referring to the Quran?
I have zillions of examples to show you online,
a single example from the ayaat ? the only example is in 7517-18 , which means "reading" .
Again reading in Arabic is called , Qiraa
but I have an important question to you
Do you think those who write these children books are fooling the innocent children?, why do you think they lied at them and told them that Reading is Qiraa and not Quran?
To discourage them from reading the Quran you reckon?
Or it is a conspiracy that most Arabs (if not all) over all generations are contributing to it somehow?
Do you think those Arabs who call Reading Qiraa and not Quran are going to hell?
i dont know their intentions . in my opinion it is mostly because of misunderstanding on their part .
so they misunderstand their own native language, and some non arabic speakers comes and suggest they are wrong?, yeh it makes sense to me
darbaari wrote
because I think that ?quran? means ?reading? , like in the following verses7517 Surely, upon Us rests its collection and its reading(quraana hu) .
7518 So when We read it(quraana hu), then follow thou its reading(quraana hu)thanks and salam.
AB wrote
this is the superiority of the language used in the Quran, this one of the things that stunned the arabs indeed, to use the name of the Quran in a miraculous way to indicate following itbrother , these verses are not using the name "Quran" . but the words "quraana hu" simply means "its reading" . not "its Quran" .
I?m sorry bro, ?Quraana hu?, can also mean in the sentence ?Allah?s Quran?, Allah many time refered to Himself as "Hu?, therefore it is quite possible that this verse means Allah?s Quran and therefore it is a Mutashabihat verse and its true meaning can never be known
thanks and salam .
Take care
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Peace bro darbaari/ tanveermd/ all,
15 1. Alif Lam Ra. These are the VERSES of the BOOK and (of) a QURAN that makes (things) clear.
Alif La_m Ra_, tilka A_YA_Tul KITA_Bi wa QUR'A_Nim mubin(in).-
And when you RECITE the QURAN,?.
Wa iza_ QARA'Tal QUR'A_Na?.. -
And thus have We sent it down an Arabic Quran....
20114.?and DO NOT MAKE HASTE WITH THE QURAN BEFORE ITS REVELATION IS MADE COMPLETE TO YOU and say O my Lord ! increase me in knowledge.
Quran =Reading
Readind = act of looking and understanding written words.
The confusion is there was no written words send down in Arabic for Mohammed to read?
the meaning "reading" can only be applied where there are written words to look atpeace.
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Peace brother Ahmed,
I have a question for you
1037 is usually translated like this
1037 This qur'aan could not have been produced by other than God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and an explanation of al-kitab in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.
According to the Arabic language and grammar, can 1037 be translated as following ?
1037 This qur'aan could not have been produced by other than God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and explanation of al-kitab, in which there is no doubt, is from the Lord of the worlds.
I have deleted the "an" before "explanation", and added "is" before "from" in the red part.
According to this translation, the blue part is talking about the qur'aan produced only by Allah to authenticate what is already present meaning the already revealed scriptures before qur'aan.
The red part is saying that there is no doubt in al-kitab, and that the explanation of al-kitab is from Allah.
So that way, al-qur'aan and al-kitab will be referring to the same book, and there is no confusion. What do you think ?
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Peace agentxxx,
The confusion is there was no written words send down in Arabic for Mohammed to read?
the meaning "reading" can only be applied where there are written words to look atThe verses of al-qur'aan were written down as soon as they were revealed. Thus there were written words to look at and the meaning "the reading" can be applied.
According to my research from Lane Lexicon, "al-qur'aan" can also mean "the collection/compilation" (collection/compilation of verses or chapters)
References
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume7/00000030.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume7/00000031.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume7/00000032.pdf
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Peace brother Ahmed,
I have a question for you
1037 is usually translated like this
1037 This qur'aan could not have been produced by other than God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and an explanation of al-kitab in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.
According to the Arabic language and grammar, can 1037 be translated as following ?
1037 This qur'aan could not have been produced by other than God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and explanation of al-kitab, in which there is no doubt, is from the Lord of the worlds.
I have deleted the "an" before "explanation", and added "is" before "from" in the red part.
Salam brother Tanveermd
yes the translation is fine
According to this translation, the blue part is talking about the qur'aan produced only by Allah to authenticate what is already present meaning the already revealed scriptures before qur'aan.
I can accept the above too
The red part is saying that there is no doubt in al-kitab, and that the explanation of al-kitab is from Allah.
not really the doubt is targetting Al Kitab, rather is targetting THE EXPLANATION OF AL KITAB, i.e.
There is no doiubt in the explanation of the book
So that way, al-qur'aan and al-kitab will be referring to the same book, and there is no confusion. What do you think ?
we agree on the blue part and I agreed on the red part as you put it like this
and explanation of al-kitab, in which there is no doubt, is from the Lord of the worlds
which clearly says "and explanation of al-kitab in which there is no doubt, is from the Lord of the worlds", which I understand it that the doubt is about the explanation of the book hence I accepted it, i remeved the comma between the two parts.
don't forget brother that Allah called Al Quran, kitab and al kitab many times as well he told us that HE IS IN CHARGE IN EXPLAINING the Quran, and when He said that to the prophet "Ina Alayna Bayanhu" it sounds like a future event to me, and that future event is not doubful, and that is what 1037 is telling us, remember that we only need to know Al Quran to pass, we don't need an explanation to a book that we don't have neither we are tested against it, it makes absolutely no sense
Salam
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salma bro AhmedBahgat.
darbaari wrote
in this verse , kitab and quran are not the same , but the verse is saying that "arabic quran" is the explanation of verses of kitab . which is further confirmed by 10371037 This Quran/Reading could not have been produced by other than God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and an explanation of the Kitab/Book in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.
see , the quran and kitab are not the same , but the quran/reading is an explanation of the kitab/written/book . both are not the same .
AB wrote
excuse me bro, why Alllah explains to us a book that we never had?, it does not sum up bro, I commented before on 1037, here it is again?This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds. ?
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............Assuming the Kitab mentioned in 1037 is not the Quran and just another Kitab that Allah has up there, now please tell me
Why Allah is telling us that no doubt the explanation of the Kitab will happen if we don?t have that kitab in our hands?,
It does not make any sense bro
no , no , u misunderstood me . the 'al kitab' mentioned in 1037 is the book i.e Koran (or the book we call "Koran" , not some other book that Allah has up there). and 'al quran' is the reading of the book . i.e when u read it , the book is explained .
i.e the Reading is explanation of the Book/Written .
darbaari wrote
not my logic , but the ayaat's logic . i gave u the verse references .and i prefer the example in 7517-18 over the online example .
AB wrote
but you didn?t reply to the Quran example (413) I posted where Kitab and Quran were referring to the Quran?the quran and kitab are not the same , but both are aspects of what is revealed as mentioned in 412
412 A revelation from the Beneficent, the Merciful
413 A book/kitab whose verses are detailed, a reading/quran in Arabic, for a people who know.the kitab and quran are not the same thing as explained in 1037 .
besides that saying "an arabic Quran" doesnt make sense . it sounds as if there are other books called the "Quran" too .which you said there arent . therefore "arabic reading" makes more sense .
darbaari wrote
brother , these verses(7517-1 are not using the name "Quran" . but the words "quraana hu" simply means "its reading" . not "its Quran" .AB wrote
I?m sorry bro, ?Quraana hu?, can also mean in the sentence ?Allah?s Quran?, Allah many time refered to Himself as "Hu?, therefore it is quite possible that this verse means Allah?s Quran and therefore it is a Mutashabihat verse and its true meaning can never be knownthe verse contains a command/hukm . why would God command someone if one can never understand the meaning of the verse ?! therefore it is a muhkam verse .
and lets replace the words "quraana hu" with "His(Allah's) Quran" (as you say) and see if it makes any sense
7517 Surely, upon Us rests HIS collection and His Quran(quraana hu) .
7518 So when We His Quran(quraana hu), then follow thou His Quran(quraana hu)does it make any sense ? nope .
and now lets translate "quraan" as "reading" , and see if it makes sense
7517 Surely, upon Us rests its collection and its reading(quraana hu) .
7518 So when We read it(quraana hu), then follow thou its reading(quraana hu)does it make sense ? yes it does . therefore "quran" means "reading" .
thanks and salam.
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Peace brother Ahmed,
we agree on the blue part and I agreed on the red part as you put it like this
and explanation of al-kitab, in which there is no doubt, is from the Lord of the worlds
which clearly says "and explanation of al-kitab in which there is no doubt, is from the Lord of the worlds", which I understand it that the doubt is about the explanation of the book hence I accepted it, i remeved the comma between the two parts.
Thanks, it makes sense.
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Peace be upon you,
The confusion is there was no written words send down in Arabic for Mohammed to read?
the meaning "reading" can only be applied where there are written words to look atExactly, except there is ONE VERSE which can always be read, the UNI-VERSE! D
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peace Idolfree1,
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The confusion is there was no written words send down in Arabic for Mohammed to read?
the meaning "reading" can only be applied where there are written words to look atID1-Exactly, except there is ONE VERSE which can always be read, the UNI-VERSE!
bravo D
peace.