Fate of the qur'aan rejecters
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Peace jankren. Very good point you make. Why should christians and jews follow an arabic version(similiar.) of their own book? Especially when the book itself(quran.) says to keep upholding the true message of their own scriptures.What does the quran have that is new or different to what the bible or torah offers?
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Peace jankren. Very good point you make. Why should christians and jews follow an arabic version(similiar.) of their own book? Especially when the book itself(quran.) says to keep upholding the true message of their own scriptures.What does the quran have that is new or different to what the bible or torah offers?
peace enquirer and all.
the Koran does not , at any point , even hint about following any other book besides itself . the taurah and injeel mentioned in the koran are not the Torah and Gospel of the jews and christians .taurah and injeel are aspects of the the Book(Koran) .
the Koran is the book which was revealed to the prophets
2213 Mankind were one community, and Allah sent (unto them) prophets as bearers of good tidings and as warners, and revealed therewith the Book with the truth that it might judge between mankind concerning that wherein they differed...
so again, no need for any other books .
peace.
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Peace dabaari,
My point of view is quite different than yours.
I believe that GOD?s message is neither restricted to arabic language nor to book of Quran ( which I read every night).
I believe that every single soul that comes into this world is created by HIM and before HIS WATCHFULL EYES IS BORN TO THIS WORLD. . So every single American, Japanese, Chinese, Eskimo,...is made by HIM as a unique individual. . All these people have the GIFT of GOD in their soul and can become a graciouse human being without ever hearing about Quran. They just need to become straightforward from inside and GOD will shower them by HIS guidance.
peace,
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Peace jankren. Very good point you make. Why should christians and jews follow an arabic version(similiar.) of their own book? Especially when the book itself(quran.) says to keep upholding the true message of their own scriptures.What does the quran have that is new or different to what the bible or torah offers?
peace enquirer and all.
the Koran does not , at any point , even hint about following any other book besides itself . the taurah and injeel mentioned in the koran are not the Torah and Gospel of the jews and christians .taurah and injeel are aspects of the the Book(Koran) .
the Koran is the book which was revealed to the prophets
2213 Mankind were one community, and Allah sent (unto them) prophets as bearers of good tidings and as warners, and revealed therewith the Book with the truth that it might judge between mankind concerning that wherein they differed...
so again, no need for any other books .
peace.
Peace
Darbaari, I am inclined to agree with you since that makes most sense. But I wonder, how does what you said relate to the following verse
The people of the Gospel shall rule in accordance with GOD's revelations therein. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the wicked. 547
I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Peace.
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Peace CavemanDoctor, Nadeem, all,
I think that some of us are confusing the ORIGINAL UNCORRUPTED taurat and the ORIGINAL UNCORRUPTED injeel with the current New Testament and the Old Testament, and are failing to realize that the ORIGINAL taurat and injeel, and the present qur'aan are all the same books, containing the same message, sent at different times and different languages. They are also failing to realize that the ORIGINAL UNCORRUPTED taurat and injeel are not in existence anymore.
There is no problem with the Jews upholding the taurat and the Christians upholding the injeel. The problem is that the taurat sent to Moses and the injeel sent to Jesus do not survive in the ORIGINAL UNCORRUPTED form and the current translated versions are full of corruptions, distortions, and fabrications, and also include the sayings of different people in addition to the alleged words of Allah.
Hence nowadays, the only way Jews and Christians can follow the ORIGINAL UNCORRUPTED taurat and the ORIGINAL UNCORRUPTED injeel is by following the qur'aan, as the qur'aan authenticates the scriptures originally sent to them and SUPERSEDES them, and its message has been preserved.
Allah explains it like this
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus the son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah. And We gave him the Injeel, in it is guidance and light, and to authenticate what is present with him of the Torah, and a guidance and lesson for the righteous.
547 And let the people of the Injeel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the vile ones.Jesus was sent the injeel which authenticated the taurat and therefore the people of the injeel were asked to judge with the ORIGINAL UNCORRUPTED injeel. The reason they were not asked to judge by the taurat is because the taurat was corrupted by then and the injeel authenticated it; the injeel therefore was the same book as the taurat but an AUTHENTIC UNCORRUPTED version of it AT THE TIME IT WAS SENT.
But then by the time the qur'aan was sent, the injeel had gotten corrupted too, and the qur'aan authenticated the injeel and superseded it just like the injeel did to the taurat.
548 And We have sent down to you the Scripture with truth, authenticating what is present of the Scripture and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made laws, and a structure; and had God willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute.
The blue part of 548 is addressed to Prophet Muhammad, telling him that the latest book sent to him authenticates the previous books, and supersedes it and to judge mankind by it. From this it follows that all the books sent by Allah, including the taurat, the injeel, and the qur'aan, can be considered the same book with the same message, but sent in different languages.
In the red part, "for each of you" means each of you from the mankind. "We have made laws and structure for each of you" means that there are the same laws and structure for each of us from the entire mankind. It does not suggest that there are different laws and structure for Jews or Christians.
The green part says that Allah could have made us one nation but He didn't. That means when the qur'aan was sent there were different nations, but He is testing all those nations with the same book i.e. the qur'aan. It does not suggest that Jews are being tested with the taurat or the Christians are tested with the injeel AFTER revelation of the qur'aan, but it means that all nations including Jews, Christians, and other believers, they are all being tested by the same qur'aan, and they should all be judged by the same qur'aan.
Let me requote 547
547 And let the people of the Injeel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the vile ones.
Yes, according to 547 and the context of 546, the people of the injeel are the people to whom the injeel was sent down and they are asked to judge with WHAT GOD HAS SENT DOWN IN IT. They are not being asked to judge with the current New Testament which has things IN ADDITION TO WHAT GOD HAS SENT. Allah further says in the red part, that whoever does not judge with WHAT GOD HAS SENT DOWN (meaning the original true injeel, not the corrupted version) are the vile ones.
So how can the people of the injeel find out WHAT GOD HAS SENT IN IT ? By comparing it with the qur'aan of course, and following only those parts that the qur'aan authenticates and confirms. If they do that then in essence they are following the qur'aan, and the New Testament would be redundant anyway.
The whole concept can be easily understood if we realize that the ORIGINAL taurat, the ORIGINAL injeel, and the qur'aan are all different versions of THE SAME BOOK, containing THE SAME MESSAGE, but in different languages, and sent at different times. In order for Jews to follow the ORIGINAL UNCORRUPTED taurat, and for Christians to follow the ORIGINAL UNCORRUPTED injeel, after the revelation of the qur'aan, they are left with no choice but to follow the qur'aan, as they are all one and the same in message, and the message was preserved in its totality only in the qur'aan.
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Salam, D
If we study the bible(NT), nowhere in it Jesus claims to be God nor promotes trinity. Therefore, I think the major corruption doesnt lie in the book itself, instead, it's in the mind of its readers.
Im not trying to defend the bible, but in my opinion, most of the real messages of Jesus the prophet of God still exist and remain uncorrupted in the bible (Especially in the books of his disciples, not the thrashy ones that were written by people who never even met him like Paul). wink
These are the main causes of corruption of the major scriptures/faiths
Injil+Paul's books = Corruption
Torah+Talmud = Corruption
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Peace tanvermed and all. Brother tanvermed,What is your evidence that the bible and torah have been corrupted? What is your proof that the quran has not been corrupted? I tend to agree with jankrens comment that sometimes its partially the mind of the reader that is actually corrupt,not just the book. If the quran told you red was blue would you believe it,or use your own intelligence from outside the book?
Your breakdown of the verses is your opinion,and not necessarily correct on this topic... Why did allah allow his other books to be corrupted and not the quran,as you state? Is the quran like some say jesus is.....ie the only way to salvation. D
Sorry for all the questions,and please dont take it too personally or offensively. D
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Peace tanvermed and all. Brother tanvermed,What is your evidence that the bible and torah have been corrupted? What is your proof that the quran has not been corrupted?
i think it is wrong to bring in the topic "proof that the quran has not been corrupted?" , because this topic is about fate of the quran rejectors(according to the quran) . so it would be better to quote some koranic verses to prove your point . i think the proof can be discussed in a seperate thread (by the way , i already showed u a proof here http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=80773#80773 , but u ignored it comlpetely and never even commented on it)
Your breakdown of the verses is your opinion,and not necessarily correct on this topic... Why did allah allow his other books to be corrupted and not the quran,as you state? Is the quran like some say jesus is.....ie the only way to salvation.
as i have already quoted from the koran , that koran is the only book revealed to the prophets (2213) . Allah did not send any book before the Koran
464 Say "Do you see those that you call on besides God? Show me what they have created on the earth, or do they have a share in the heavens? Bring me a book before this, or any trace of knowledge, if you are truthful."
what do u say ?
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Peace darbari. My book is my conscience my friend. The quran is muhammeds conscience and thoughts written down. His thoughts are from a different time and context,he also made mistakes. I use my own conscience to verify knowledge,not muhammeds.(17;36 ?) Your quoting of numerous verses is just your opinions,not neceassarily the truth. If the quran said the earth is a square would you believe it? How can you prove the quran from the quran,or from some verses being correct? Some of the verses are correct,i agree,but some of the bible is also correct....does that mean i should believe in all of the bible and the quran totally and literally?
Listen my friend,if you want to take moral benefit from the quran im happy for you,it might be good for you...but to say it has no mistakes or corruption or that you cant be successful without the quran is nonsense.
Peace all. Ps; you or i can start a new thread on;'corruption in the quran' ,if you like. D -
Peace jankren. Very good point you make. Why should christians and jews follow an arabic version(similiar.) of their own book? Especially when the book itself(quran.) says to keep upholding the true message of their own scriptures.What does the quran have that is new or different to what the bible or torah offers?
peace enquirer and all.
the Koran does not , at any point , even hint about following any other book besides itself . the taurah and injeel mentioned in the koran are not the Torah and Gospel of the jews and christians .taurah and injeel are aspects of the the Book(Koran) .
the Koran is the book which was revealed to the prophets
2213 Mankind were one community, and Allah sent (unto them) prophets as bearers of good tidings and as warners, and revealed therewith the Book with the truth that it might judge between mankind concerning that wherein they differed...
so again, no need for any other books .
peace.
Peace
Darbaari, I am inclined to agree with you since that makes most sense. But I wonder, how does what you said relate to the following verse
The people of the Gospel shall rule in accordance with GOD's revelations therein. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the wicked. 547
I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Peace.
peace bro.
the "injeel" is not the Gospel . injeel is guidance and light and a sermon for those who guard(muttaqeen) . the ahlul injeel(people of the injeel) are those who guard . not the Christians . the Christians are idolators .546 ...(injeel is) a guidance and a sermon for those who guard.
547 And let the people of the Injeel(those who guard) judge with what God has sent down in it...i hope it helps. u can also checkout the lecture about taurah/injeel at www.iipc.tv .
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Peace darbari. My book is my conscience my friend. The quran is muhammeds conscience and thoughts written down. His thoughts are from a different time and context,he also made mistakes. I use my own conscience to verify knowledge,not muhammeds.(17;36 ?) Your quoting of numerous verses is just your opinions,not neceassarily the truth. If the quran said the earth is a square would you believe it? How can you prove the quran from the quran,or from some verses being correct? Some of the verses are correct,i agree,but some of the bible is also correct....does that mean i should believe in all of the bible and the quran totally and literally?
ok fine , if koran is not your book . but this is a Koranic forum and members quote from the Koran to prove their point . most members already believe the the Koran is God's word and believe in all the verses of the Koran , so it is odd to raise the topic of "proof of the Koran" and divert ppl from the Koran and the topic in every other discussion .
and u urself sometimes quote verses of the Koran . do u only quote the mistranslated verses which u think help your cause ?
and when i or anyone quotes verses from the Koran which disprove your points , u simply ignore them or claim that "koran is not my book" , or "what proof do u have that koran is the word of God" ?!
huh ? !
Listen my friend,if you want to take moral benefit from the quran im happy for you,it might be good for you...but to say it has no mistakes or corruption or that you cant be successful without the quran is nonsense.
well , u dont wanna believe in the Koran ? fine .might be bad for u . but to say that "it has mistakes and corruption and it is not word of God , and needs not to be followed" ,especially in a Koranic forum, is non sense .
Ps; you or i can start a new thread on;'corruption in the quran' ,if you like. D
no thanks . i have tried before too , but many people just dont want to believe .
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Peace darbari. I dont think this forum is only to talk from the quran. I quote from the quran when the verse is true,or to prove that you are contradicting your own book. If you think the quran is perfect and easy to prove,then you or anyone else please do so. Some of the verses you quote i dont comment on because they are irrelevent,too literal,out of context or just irrational.
Do you think muhammed was afraid to answer questions which were tough?... Beacause i feel some in here are afraid to open their minds and let go of their irrational theories derived from a supposedly complete,perfect book...
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Peace darbari. I dont think this forum is only to talk from the quran. I quote from the quran when the verse is true,or to prove that you are contradicting your own book.
but when someone replies and quotes verses of the koran to show that he is infact not contradicting his own book , u just say "koran is not the word of God!! this proves nothing!!" LOL .
If you think the quran is perfect and easy to prove,then you or anyone else please do so.
so u think no one has tried to prove it before on this forum ? many have tried , but we cant help those who dont want to see the proof .
Some of the verses you quote i dont comment on because they are irrelevent,too literal,out of context or just irrational.
for example ? like u said "why God didnt protect his previous revealed books?" (a wrong concept among muslims) , i replied and showed u the verses telling that Koran is the only revealed book . what was so irrelevent in those verses ? or when u said that Koran allows for ppl to follow the Gospel and other books, and i showed u that i doesnt ? what is so irrelevant ?
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Peace darbaari,
You wrote
as i have already quoted from the koran , that koran is the only book revealed to the prophets (2213) . Allah did not send any book before the Koran
- But she pointed to him. They said How should we speak to one who was a child in the cradle?
- He said Surely I am a servant of Allah; HE HAS GIVEN ME THE BOOK and made me a prophet;
I agree that the message was the same but the books given to them Cant be the book/quran that you are referring to . The events/issues/problems/solution etc discussed in the past books should logically be according to the environment/situation in which the past messengers lived/faced and not according to the environment in which Muhammad lived/faced?. .
Please explain the following verses
- And how do they make you a judge and THEY HAVE THE TAURAT WHEREIN IS ALLAH'S JUDGMENT? Yet they turn back after that, and these are not the believers.
Wa kaifa yuhakkimu_naka wa'indahumut TAURA_Tu fiha_ hukmulla_hi summa yatawallauna mim ba'di za_lik(a), wa ma_ ula_'ika bil mu'minin(a).
3 3. He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the TORAH and the GOSPEL.
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O People of the Scripture! Why will ye argue about Abraham, when the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have ye then no sense?
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When before it there was THE SCRIPTURE OF MOSES, an example and a mercy; and THIS IS A CONFIRMING SCRIPTURE IN THE ARABIC LANGUAGE, that it may warn those who do wrong and bring good tidings for the righteous.
14 4. WE SENT NOT A MESSENGER EXCEPT (TO TEACH) IN THE LANGUAGE OF HIS (OWN) PEOPLE, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.
62 5. The likeness of those WHO ARE ENTRUSTED WITH THE LAW OF MOSES, yet apply it not, is as the likeness of the ass carrying books. Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny the revelations of Allah. And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
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Peace tanveermd
Just want to clarify some things about your interpretation of 547.
Brother tanveermd, you said "Yes, according to 547 and the context of 546, the people of the injeel are the people to whom the injeel was sent down and they are asked to judge with WHAT GOD HAS SENT DOWN IN IT. They are not being asked to judge with the current New Testament which has things IN ADDITION TO WHAT GOD HAS SENT. Allah further says in the red part, that whoever does not judge with WHAT GOD HAS SENT DOWN (meaning the original true injeel, not the corrupted version) are the vile ones."
And I agree that it (it, meaning that which was with the Nasara) was corrupted. But then why does 547 say that the people of the Injeel should judge according to the revelation therein? If when the Qur'an was revealed, the version of the Injeel with the People of the Injeel was corrupted, why would the verse tell them to judge according to the Injeel? I'm still not understanding. I understand that the Qur'an authenticates the Injeel and in this sense they can judge by the Injeel by first determining what is authentic via the Qur'an but then the question becomes, why even bother with the Injeel? As you said, brother, the NT would be redundant anyway. Would God be redundant?
Peace.
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peace bro.
the "injeel" is not the Gospel . injeel is guidance and light and a sermon for those who guard(muttaqeen) . the ahlul injeel(people of the injeel) are those who guard . not the Christians . the Christians are idolators .546 ...(injeel is) a guidance and a sermon for those who guard.
547 And let the people of the Injeel(those who guard) judge with what God has sent down in it...i hope it helps. u can also checkout the lecture about taurah/injeel at www.iipc.tv .
peace.Peace darbaari. Thanks for the link brother.
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peace agentxxx.
Peace darbaari,
You wrote
as i have already quoted from the koran , that koran is the only book revealed to the prophets (2213) . Allah did not send any book before the Koran
- But she pointed to him. They said How should we speak to one who was a child in the cradle?
- He said Surely I am a servant of Allah; HE HAS GIVEN ME THE BOOK and made me a prophet;
I agree that the message was the same but the books given to them Cant be the book/quran that you are referring to . The events/issues/problems/solution etc discussed in the past books should logically be according to the environment/situation in which the past messengers lived/faced and not according to the environment in which Muhammad lived/faced?. .
Please explain the following verses
..."alkitab" means the same book throughout the Koran . all prophets recieved the same book i.e the 114 chaptered book we call Koran .
i will post the explanation of the verses u quoted as well as some other verses later in the day , inshallah .
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peace agentxxx .
Please explain the following verses
- And how do they make you a judge and THEY HAVE THE TAURAT WHEREIN IS ALLAH'S JUDGMENT? Yet they turn back after that, and these are not the believers.
Wa kaifa yuhakkimu_naka wa'indahumut TAURA_Tu fiha_ hukmulla_hi summa yatawallauna mim ba'di za_lik(a), wa ma_ ula_'ika bil mu'minin(a).
it is not the "Torah" of the jews. taurah contains the hukm of Allah . taurah is within the Book .
2213 (All) people are a single nation; so Allah raised prophets as bearers of good news and as warners, and He revealed with them the Book with truth, that it might judge(hukm) between people in that in which they differed...
3 3. He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the TORAH and the GOSPEL.
what was before it ? the same book . remember 2213 ? all prophets were given the Book .
- O People of the Scripture! Why will ye argue about Abraham, when the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have ye then no sense?
taurah and injeel are aspects of the book . not seperate books . there is no book before the Koran .(464)
- When before it there was THE SCRIPTURE OF MOSES, an example and a mercy; and THIS IS A CONFIRMING SCRIPTURE IN THE ARABIC LANGUAGE, that it may warn those who do wrong and bring good tidings for the righteous.
the Book of Musa is the same book .
7144 He said "O Moses, I have chosen you over mankind with My messages and My words; so take what I have given you and be of the thankful."
7145 And We wrote for him on the tablets from everything a lesson, and detailing all things. Take it with strength and order your people to take the best from it. I will show you the abode of the corrupt.8521-22 No, it is a glorious Quran. In a well-guarded tablet.
both the quran/reading and the writings given to Musa are in the tablet .
2349 And We gave Moses the Book, that they might be guided.
which book? this book(the Koran)
22 This is the Book in which there is no doubt, a guide for those who guard .
also
6154 Moreover, WE gave Moses the Book - complete for him who did good, and an explanation of all necessary things, and a guidance and a mercy - that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.
the book of Musa is complete for thise who do good , right ? well , Muhammad was one of those who did good
3321 Indeed, in the messenger of God a good example has been set for you for he who seeks God and the last day and thinks constantly about God.
so the book of Musa was for Muhammad too . the book we call Koran .
14 4. WE SENT NOT A MESSENGER EXCEPT (TO TEACH) IN THE LANGUAGE OF HIS (OWN) PEOPLE, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.
messenger is anyone delivering the message of God . thus a messenger should know the language of the people.
62 5. The likeness of those WHO ARE ENTRUSTED WITH THE LAW OF MOSES, yet apply it not, is as the likeness of the ass carrying books. Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny the revelations of Allah. And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
the taurah is within the book . probably the muhkam ayat of the Book .
the word used in this ayah is "taurah"(law) . NOT "taurah/law of musa" . nowhere in the Koran do the words "taurah" and "Musa" occur together .
i hope it is helpful .
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Peace darbaari,
You wrote
"alkitab" means the same book throughout the Koran . all prophets received the same book i.e the 114 chaptered book we call Koran .
Same message yes but same 114 chapters shock
Why would Allah tell Musa or Essa who lived 570 years before Muhammad] to preach in their time not to marry the wives of the messenger
- ?nor THAT YOU SHOULD MARRY HIS WIVES AFTER HIM EVER; surely this is grievous in the sight of Allah.
In what way could these verses serve them? roll
- And when you said to him to whom Allah had shown favor and to whom you had shown a favor Keep your wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul what Allah would bring to light, and you feared men, and Allah had a greater right that you should fear Him. But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed.
Or the verses regarding slander? shock
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Surely they who concocted the lie are a party from among you. Do not regard it an evil to you; nay, it is good for you. Every man of them shall have what he has earned of sin; and (as for) him who took upon himself the main part thereof, he shall have a grievous chastisement.
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Why did not the believing men and the believing women, when you heard it, think well of their own people, and say This is an evident falsehood?
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Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah.
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And were it not for Allah's grace upon you and His mercy in this world and the hereafter, a grievous chastisement would certainly have touched you on account of the discourse which you entered into.
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When you received it with your tongues and spoke with your mouths what you had no knowledge of, and you deemed it an easy matter while with Allah it was grievous.
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And why did you not, when you heard it, say It does not beseem us that we should talk of it; glory be to Thee! this is a great calumny?
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Allah admonishes you that you should not return to the like of it ever again if you are believers.
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And Allah makes clear to you the communications; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
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Surely (as for) those who love that scandal should circulate respecting those who believe, they shall have a grievous chastisement in this world and the hereafter; and Allah knows, while you do not know.
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And were it not for Allah's grace on you and His mercy, and that Allah is Compassionate, Merciful.
was Musa narrated the following verses 1200 years before Essa was born ?
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And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East,
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And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man.
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She said Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing.
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He said I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
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She said How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?
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He said So (it will be). Thy Lord saith It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
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And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place.
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And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree. She said Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!
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Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,
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And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.
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So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal.
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Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
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O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.
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Then she pointed to him. They said How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?
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He spake Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,
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And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive,
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And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
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Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
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Such was Jesus, son of Mary (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.
alkitab means THE BOOK and not THE SAME BOOK as far as I understand it. In fact none of the prophets were given a finished/complete ALKITAB ?the book? in literal sense they received revelations from god and those revelations were then written and finally bundled together to form a book.
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The followers of the Book ask you TO BRING DOWN TO THEM A BOOK FROM HEAVEN; so indeed they demanded of Musa a greater thing than that, for they said Show us Allah manifestly; so the lightning overtook them on account of their injustice. Then they took the calf (for a god), after clear signs had come to them, but We pardoned this; and We gave to Musa clear authority.
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And they say We will by no means believe in you until you cause a fountain to gush forth from the earth for us.
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Or you should have a garden of palms and grapes in the midst of which you should cause rivers to flow forth, gushing out.
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Or you should cause the heaven to come down upon us in pieces as you think, or bring Allah and the angels face to face (with us).
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Or you should have a house of gold, or you should ascend into heaven, and we will not believe in your ascending UNTIL YOU BRING DOWN TO US A BOOK WHICH WE MAY READ. Say Glory be to my Lord; am I aught but a mortal messenger?
peace.
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peace darbaari,
- O People of the Scripture! Why will ye argue about Abraham, when the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have ye then no sense?
darbaari wrote
taurah and injeel are aspects of the book . not seperate books . there is no book before the Koran .(464)
taurah, injeel, and quran are all aspect of the original book which is with Allah.
- Allah doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth with Him is the Mother of the Book.
43 4. And surely it is in the original of the Book with Us, truly elevated, full of wisdom
- Recite that which has been revealed to you OF THE BOOK and keep up prayer;
the message which Allah says is the same message revealed to all the prophet is not the 114 chapters of quran literally but only the fundamental truths like the 10 commandments.
1-Exodus 202-6 = I am the Lord, your God, you shall not have any other God besides me.
2-Exodus 207 = You shall not take the name of the Lord, Your God, in vain.
3-Exodus 208-11 = Remember to keep holy the Sabbath Day.
4-Exodus 2012 = Honor your father and your mother.
5-Exodus 2013 = You shall not kill.
6-Exodus 2014 = You shall not commit adultery.
7-Exodus 2015 = You shall not steal.
8-Exodus 2016 = You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9-Exodus 2017 = You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. (Desire)
10-Exodus 2017 =You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor.peace.