Is the quran your idol?
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Why should i limit my opinions to one thread? Do you or others do that? Are you afraid of the truth?
I see, so this is just another one of your threads about the same. Sigh.
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Peace mquran. Dont get emotional my friend,i have another thread planned for the contradictions... Most of your logic is circular,and your attempted academic character assasination is shallow and laughable.
Why would your god create you with a mind,and then ask you to subvert it or not use it? -
Peace savage carrot. Do you have anything constructive or new to add from your quran?
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Do you have anything new to add at all? Go start your contradiction thread, at least it'll be better than this old hat, or try to find the one 'albion' posted in the 'quran study' section. It's all been done before.
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Peace savage carrot. And the quran is 1400 years old,and has also been covered before. Thanks for the link to albion.
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What a terrific idea for a thread! 'The quran is 1400 years old. Discuss.' Oh wait...
Anyhow, here is the link, I didn't give it to you before-
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3892&start=0
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Peace savage carrot. I hope the thread turns out better than that one,and i hope people have evolved since then...
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What you consider evolved is probably not a compliment to some people wink
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Peace savage carrot. Well i may like ice-cream and you may not...Thats no problem...
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Hi there,
I do believe that Enquirer has a point.
Even the quran agrees with him
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And if they commit evil acts, they Say "We found our fathers doing such, and God ordered us to it." Say "God does not order evil! Do you say about God what you do not know?"2104
O you who believe, do not Say "Shepherd us," but Say "Be patient with us," and listen. For the rejecters is a painful retribution.494
O you who believe, if you strike in the cause of GOD, you shall be absolutely sure. Do not say to one who offers you peace, "You are not a believer," seeking the spoils of this world. For GOD possesses infinite spoils. Remember that you used to be like them, and GOD blessed you. Therefore, you shall be absolutely sure (before you strike). GOD is fully Cognizant of everything you do.What is the message here?
Why does god not approve of the excuse "God said so"?
Why does god not want to shepherd us? But to guide?And in the times of quran being revealed, when Muhammed was the commander and it was at Muhammad's word a war or a strike would be declared, how come god says to the believers "No! Stop! Are you sure?". Even though Muhammad gave the order, the believers are said to verify his command. How come?
We are supposed to think for ourselves.
Nadeem.
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Peace nadeem. Thank you for your eloquent reply. You show that the quran can be used for good,if used in conjuction with the mind,and not taken as an idol or absolute truth.
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no it isnt. but it is a good reading, that is able to touch me deeply in places.
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Peace magi. I agree,the quran is not all absolute truth,or even all truth...But some can get some valuable lessons from it. It shouldnt be used as an idol/crutch.
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@ enquirer
Your signature statement says ?My guide is my consciousness?. To be a monotheist after your fashion I should have said ?My guide is my God?.there will come a time when you may realise that the quran is muhammeds interpretations of nature and morals,and not relevent to everyone and for all times. Why dont you use your own minds as well as muhammeds ideas,and verify them?
Do we have any right to verify your ideas? You use your mind. Let us use our minds. Why are you pressing us to take your view?
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Peace prashant-kumar. Im not pressing you. You are the one pressing to change my signature. ! You verify for yourself my friend,thats the right thing to do,and what i try to advise people to do.
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peace enquirer .
I find it astonishing that people need to consult an idol(the quran.) to tell them what to eat,drink,how to marry,how to treat people,whether its ok to pray physically,how to treat their mother of a different religion etc,etc...
u dont need to be astonished about members consulting the Koran . because , as i told u before , this is a Koranic forum . havent u noticed the Koranic theme ?
savage_carrot wrote
I would like to ask you something...Is it possible to keep it to this thread only?enquirer wrote
Peace savage carrot. I will try with the paragraphs...and you try to have an open-mind. Very Happy ....Just a thought... Exclamationsavage_carrot wrote
Fret not about my mind...what about the possibility of a single thread for your issues? Like this one?enquirer wrote
Peace savage carrot. Why should i limit my opinions to one thread?because, by your questioning the divinity and validity of the Koran in every other thread, it seems u are here only to convert or divert members from Koran and cause distractions in the discussions , instead of learning from the Koran .
isnt that why u are here ?
Do you or others do that? Are you afraid of the truth?
our opinions are mostly on topic . but you only talk about koran being man-made, being an idol and about following other sources besides the koran .
peace.
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peace darbari. Are you telling me that on this forum we can only speak from the quran? And what do you want me to learn from the quran? God is the teacher ,and i can learn from plenty of other sources,as well as the quran. You and others only probably feel distracted because you are being nudged out of your comfort zones,and being made to question and think... And hey,i cant convert anyone...only you can convert yourself...
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peace darbari. Are you telling me that on this forum we can only speak from the quran?
no ,not only from the quran. thats why there is an off-topic discussion category on this forum . u didnt notice that either ?
what i said was that u dont need to be astonished about members consulting the koran since that is just what the website invites people to do .
And what do you want me to learn from the quran? God is the teacher ,and i can learn from plenty of other sources,as well as the quran.
well , u see , this website invites people to learn about islam based on the Koran . something u dont want to do . right ?
i quote from the main page
This website has been created for all people who have a desire to allow God into their lives and follow His path alone...
This website invites all people of various beliefs (Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Bahai, Agnostic, Humanist, and even Atheists) to come and examine for themselves the system of Submission/Islam which is based on God Alone.
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....WHAT IS Islam?
The system of God "Islam/Submission" has been taught to us through God and His messenger and is fully outlined in the final Book of God (The Quran) which was revealed centuries ago...
You and others only probably feel distracted because you are being nudged out of your comfort zones,and being made to question and think...
u cause distraction when during a discussion u claim "koran is not the word of God!! this proves nothing!!" , whenever u are caught contradicting the koran . and then u change the topic ,or dont reply at all .
peace.
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peace darbari. Im astonished by people consulting the quran on everything...not that they consult it for some issues... Is the quran the only place i can learn about islam?
What does it prove when you guys say the quran is the word of god?
You havent quoted a single verse to me in your previous post... and its not even off-topic... D We can all learn from many sources...Are you implying only you 'quran only' guys on the forum can teach us about god alone? -
peace darbari. Im astonished by people consulting the quran on everything...not that they consult it for some issues... Is the quran the only place i can learn about islam?
this place is for learning from the koran , as i showed u the quote from the main page .
What does it prove when you guys say the quran is the word of god?
it proves that we guys already believe in it and are very comfortable with it ,and dont need to prove it again and again during a discussion .
We can all learn from many sources...Are you implying only you 'quran only' guys on the forum can teach us about god alone?
can u read this
This website has been created for all people who have a desire to allow God into their lives and follow His path alone...
This website invites all people of various beliefs (Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Bahai, Agnostic, Humanist, and even Atheists) to come and examine for themselves the system of Submission/Islam which is based on God Alone.
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WHAT IS Islam?The system of God "Islam/Submission" has been taught to us through God and His messenger and is fully outlined in the final Book of God (The Quran) which was revealed centuries ago...
the website invites to learn from one source(the Quran). not many sources .
peace.