Is the quran your idol?
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Peace prashant-kumar. Im not pressing you. You are the one pressing to change my signature. ! You verify for yourself my friend,thats the right thing to do,and what i try to advise people to do.
My signature says my guide is my 'conscience',not my conciousness. -
peace enquirer .
I find it astonishing that people need to consult an idol(the quran.) to tell them what to eat,drink,how to marry,how to treat people,whether its ok to pray physically,how to treat their mother of a different religion etc,etc...
u dont need to be astonished about members consulting the Koran . because , as i told u before , this is a Koranic forum . havent u noticed the Koranic theme ?
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I would like to ask you something...Is it possible to keep it to this thread only?enquirer wrote
Peace savage carrot. I will try with the paragraphs...and you try to have an open-mind. Very Happy ....Just a thought... Exclamationsavage_carrot wrote
Fret not about my mind...what about the possibility of a single thread for your issues? Like this one?enquirer wrote
Peace savage carrot. Why should i limit my opinions to one thread?because, by your questioning the divinity and validity of the Koran in every other thread, it seems u are here only to convert or divert members from Koran and cause distractions in the discussions , instead of learning from the Koran .
isnt that why u are here ?
Do you or others do that? Are you afraid of the truth?
our opinions are mostly on topic . but you only talk about koran being man-made, being an idol and about following other sources besides the koran .
peace.
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peace darbari. Are you telling me that on this forum we can only speak from the quran? And what do you want me to learn from the quran? God is the teacher ,and i can learn from plenty of other sources,as well as the quran. You and others only probably feel distracted because you are being nudged out of your comfort zones,and being made to question and think... And hey,i cant convert anyone...only you can convert yourself...
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peace darbari. Are you telling me that on this forum we can only speak from the quran?
no ,not only from the quran. thats why there is an off-topic discussion category on this forum . u didnt notice that either ?
what i said was that u dont need to be astonished about members consulting the koran since that is just what the website invites people to do .
And what do you want me to learn from the quran? God is the teacher ,and i can learn from plenty of other sources,as well as the quran.
well , u see , this website invites people to learn about islam based on the Koran . something u dont want to do . right ?
i quote from the main page
This website has been created for all people who have a desire to allow God into their lives and follow His path alone...
This website invites all people of various beliefs (Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Bahai, Agnostic, Humanist, and even Atheists) to come and examine for themselves the system of Submission/Islam which is based on God Alone.
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....WHAT IS Islam?
The system of God "Islam/Submission" has been taught to us through God and His messenger and is fully outlined in the final Book of God (The Quran) which was revealed centuries ago...
You and others only probably feel distracted because you are being nudged out of your comfort zones,and being made to question and think...
u cause distraction when during a discussion u claim "koran is not the word of God!! this proves nothing!!" , whenever u are caught contradicting the koran . and then u change the topic ,or dont reply at all .
peace.
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peace darbari. Im astonished by people consulting the quran on everything...not that they consult it for some issues... Is the quran the only place i can learn about islam?
What does it prove when you guys say the quran is the word of god?
You havent quoted a single verse to me in your previous post... and its not even off-topic... D We can all learn from many sources...Are you implying only you 'quran only' guys on the forum can teach us about god alone? -
peace darbari. Im astonished by people consulting the quran on everything...not that they consult it for some issues... Is the quran the only place i can learn about islam?
this place is for learning from the koran , as i showed u the quote from the main page .
What does it prove when you guys say the quran is the word of god?
it proves that we guys already believe in it and are very comfortable with it ,and dont need to prove it again and again during a discussion .
We can all learn from many sources...Are you implying only you 'quran only' guys on the forum can teach us about god alone?
can u read this
This website has been created for all people who have a desire to allow God into their lives and follow His path alone...
This website invites all people of various beliefs (Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Bahai, Agnostic, Humanist, and even Atheists) to come and examine for themselves the system of Submission/Islam which is based on God Alone.
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WHAT IS Islam?The system of God "Islam/Submission" has been taught to us through God and His messenger and is fully outlined in the final Book of God (The Quran) which was revealed centuries ago...
the website invites to learn from one source(the Quran). not many sources .
peace.
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peace darbari. Are you the spokesman for the entire forum?
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Peace,
Say a prayer or talk to GOD or go inside! Search for wisdom and patience!
Let's contemplate on- Choosing a wide discussion subject will always fail.
- a servant of GOD can not be reactionary
Sphere of disussion of GOD-CONSCIOUSE people has the DIVINE attraction.
peace,
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peace darbari. No problem for me,im still smiling and happy. D wink
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Salaam all,
Just want to say that all kinds of idolworshipping is wrong!
So to make the Quran an idol is so incredible wicked and everything will fall apart if u do that.
To use Quran as an source of knowing things about your creator and other valuable behaviour recomendations isn't wrong and we should do that more of us.
Peace Sis Majidah
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peace swedenMajidah. Yes,that is a very reasonable statement.
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to my understanding, quran is provided as a guidance AND my own interpretation on learnin it is challenge the contents of it in every aspect until you will finally found what you want. At some points, I think we are just ordinary human and found that the contents of quran is the truth. The point is, don't just trust it blindly. We have to use our potential to it's limit, i.e. use your brain, your heart, compassion ,etc. That's why there are lot's of verses in the quran refers to "knowledgeable person will gain more from it". Most moslems use the quran as the starting point, including me, but I don't worship it. It's just plainly better to have things for comparisons when you face a problem and look for solutions during your life time, doesn't it?
Yeah, sorry that I still struggle with my english at this point. It's not my mother tongue.
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Peace all. In the past few months i have seen people asking for verses showing its wrong to beat your kids,all the way to what is the destination of otherwise peaceful,decent people who dont believe in the quran. I find it astonishing that people need to consult an idol(the quran.) to tell them what to eat,drink,how to marry,how to treat people,whether its ok to pray physically,how to treat their mother of a different religion etc,etc... have you guys heard of your own minds,verifications and experiences?(17;36.) Dont you guys use your natural inclination to good/truth? If i see someone who is peaceful,then i dont really have to argue with him about his beliefs..his behaviour does the talking... The quran contains some spiritual truths,along with a lot of archaic,barbaric,relative,Time based and contradictory information. You guys claim its emphasizes the biggest sin is to indulge continously in idol-worship,...yet you seem to disregard that god can communicate in other languages and ways,and you make the quran the only spiritual centre of the universe and the criterion for everything else.(in other words an idol to refer to.) This is impossible,because you cannot seperate yourself from your own conscience forever,and there will come a time when you may realise that the quran is muhammeds interpretations of nature and morals,and not relevent to everyone and for all times. Why dont you use your own minds as well as muhammeds ideas,and verify them? Just like some sunnis venerate the prophet(which you guys mock and criticise.),well you guys venerate this book instead of god,thus contradicting the message of your own book.
Peace all. Ps;when i say you guys i mean those who want a proof from the quran for everything,and think that human reason/verification is inferior or not needed with regard to the quran.( I realise that many others take good spiritual,relative lessons from the quran by using their own minds,and this can be a commendable and worthwhile activity in generating peace for mankind.)007.176
007.176 If it had been Our will, We should have elevated him with Our signs; but he inclined to the earth, and followed his own vain desires. His similitude is that of a dog if you attack him, he lolls out his tongue, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject Our signs; So relate the story; perchance they may reflect.Al-Qur'an, 007.176 (Al-Araf )
So this example fits you.....
Either a person follows what his creator says, or he follows his wish then he is DOG.
I hope it answers you.
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Peace mr virtualeye. wow,so much intellect..your literal interpretations must be from god...have you read 625?..check out the symbolisms in that verse... )
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Peace komla. Thanks for the kind words.
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This spooked me when I read it! I am a new Muslim. I converted or reverted (not sure which to say, both are
understood?) about 6 weeks ago. The reason? I found out some things mentioned in the Qur'an which satisfied my
belief that the book was authentic... Maybe I was naive at first because there were probably loads of issues I
should have checked before going ahead and confirming that I wanted to become a practising Muslim. But the
reason I took my "Shahada" 4 weeks ago was because in principle I liked the idea that the Qur'an was sent to
us devinely as a guidebook for us to refer to, to help us to make the right decisions about how to live a good
life. (And at the time I wanted to live a good life anyway so that once I died I could be happy knowing I
lived a good life, and leaving a legacy behind for my children and people who knew me, so they could say "She
was a good lady. She was kind, gentle, patient, had a good sense of humour, was a good listener, was honest and honourable, took time out to help you etc... all the nice things you would want to be remembered for. My
reason for wanting to live a good life was for respect in this lifetme. I never even gave a thought to the
"hereafter" or heaven. I'd always thought that no-one knew for sure about Heaven and Hell or whether we are
re-incarnated, and that it wasn't for us to know or worry about because when we die we will find out.
I do tend to have a habit of jumping in head first especially with big important issues, because I am a big
believer in going with my gut instinct, and it seemed like the right path to follow!
So as you can imagine, it has been a bit of a shock finding out so many undesirable and impractical and
unreasonble and illogical things about my new religion, which have left me with uneasy feelings in my stomach.
Especially given that what attracted me to it in the first place was the whole sentiment behind the whole God
loves us/Islam/Peace/Charity/Kindness/Community thing.
Things that made me wonder was the "ritualistic" ways I had been shown to pray, and the very superstitious
manners that my new muslim sisters were trying to teach me to get into the habit of eg repeating Subahan Allah
100 times, not being able to pray whilst menstruating, having to perform wudu because of a pin prick / a
cracked lip / passing gas. Everything I did seemed to be in need of correction and I was walking on eggshells
the whole time for fear of saying something wrong or offensive or disrespectful or "Not how the Prophet(pbuh) did it"
So it gradually dawned on me that something was wrong because everytime I was told a new rule, I asked which
chapter of the Qur'an it was in, and was told ... "Ohh, well, errr, I don't know but it must be in there
because the Prophet did it...."
And then I tried to be brave enough to challenge some of these beliefs at a Study Cirlce that I'd been invitedto, and was shot down, given the reason that the Qur'an is not complete without the "Hadiths and Sunnah", and
that the Qur'an is like the seed of a tree and the Hadiths and Sunnah are the trunk and the branches.
I'm so glad that I am still in touch with my own logic and reason that has convinced me to challenge this,
and was glad to come across this site, which has been tremendously helpful in showing me which parts of the
Qur'an show that God's word is full, complete and perfect and needs no correction or addition or in some cases blatant fabrication from the chinese whispers of scholars, known as the Hadith and Sunnah.
It is very worrying that this is what children are having pumped into them at schools and Mosques etc. Were it not for my confident faith in God, the one and only, and firm belief that I am not an Idol Worshipper (And I worship God not the Qur'an), and that he will forgive me for being almost guided off the straight path, I would be terribly afraid that the (for want of a better word) "phoney" "Shahada" that I took (La il aha il allah, with Muhammed ur rasul ullah on the end) may have been my one way ticket to Hell...
I'm still very confused about which way to face when praying... should it be towards Jerusalem? And also what are the prayer times? Sunrise, noon and Sundown? Or Sunrise, sundown and then once before bed?
Please can you help? Also are there any girls here who wear a headscarf?