Free-minds at the cost of Faith?
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hello,
I see hardly few people might have studied quran by learning Arabic. Otherwise most of the people believing in these free-minds theories are from the English countries and specially from America.
It is a human nature when a person sees someone other has the same thoughts according to his wishes,,,He immediately agrees and believes. Because its a human nature to like the freedom from restrictions and do whatever one likes.
This is actually the philosophy of Dog, as he does not need any restriction to cope up with his sexual thirst and just goes to his own mother, sister or whatever. ( I dont mean to point this exampe directly to free-minds followers, but its the example of liking freedom).
so people who want freedom from restrictions, then immediately start believing what others say in accordance to their beliving, but when comes some Hadith then they already have Faith (EEMAN) without any doubt that all hadith are fake or ever crap. When some Rashid-khalifa's follower will give some opinion, then they will immediately say yes and start praising, but when somebody talks about spending life according sunnah then they already have a plane belief to reject that.
If somebody thinks that sunnah is against to Quran, then he tries to bear witness that prophet tought against quran, as prophet did not speak only the quranic word in his all life,,,he had all the matters of life by performin Quran and in accordance to quran (but in detailed manner, not just speaking quranic verses in response to each and every question. He had to speak when anyone asked something about Islam from him or some elaboration about some quranic verse).
Ofcourse it is a matter to accept that some ahadith have been wrongly narrated OR fake. But that does not mean to reject those ahadith which are even helpful in understanding and learning, and even several ahadith are there which were followed but science now in this age is exploring that.
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033.021 Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.Al-Qur'an, 033.021 (Al-Ahzab )
What is here? The beautiful pattern or conduct of life by practicing quran.
You only learn in real sense when you get to the workshop or practicle display by your teacher.
If you disagree then please stop going to colleges and universities and start studying all books at your home.May Allah guide us to right path, and help us avoid the path of Astray.
Allah's Blessings.
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I can say that somehow you are right, Quran is the guidance and we can not just reject the hadith all-over. I believe that some of them (maybe majority) are right. I just haven't studied them. I'm still in the process of learning arabic. I've learned a bit in the highschool, but my understanding was too bad (. My english is even much better even if it's not my native language ???.
Examinations, dissection and comprehension are needed before we can judge something. It's part of the scientific process.
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Peace viartualeye,
I see hardly few people might have studied quran by learning Arabic. Otherwise most of the people believing in these free-minds theories are from the English countries and specially from America.
It is a human nature when a person sees someone other has the same thoughts according to his wishes,,,He immediately agrees and believes. Because its a human nature to like the freedom from restrictions and do whatever one likes.
This is actually the philosophy of Dog, as he does not need any restriction to cope up with his sexual thirst and just goes to his own mother, sister or whatever. ( I dont mean to point this exampe directly to free-minds followers, but its the example of liking freedom).
so people who want freedom from restrictions, then immediately start believing what others say in accordance to their beliving, but when comes some Hadith then they already have Faith (EEMAN) without any doubt that all hadith are fake or ever crap. When some Rashid-khalifa's follower will give some opinion, then they will immediately say yes and start praising, but when somebody talks about spending life according sunnah then they already have a plane belief to reject that.
Please dont classify everyone who posts here in the same category. I think you are mistaking this forum with submission.org. Majority of people on this forum are not rashid khalifa's followers. You make sweeping generalizations about everyone here, which is not a good practice at all. Most of us here do not automatically believe what others say but we believe only in the truth. We use Al-Qur'aan as the Criterion, to distinguish the truth from the falsehood.
If somebody thinks that sunnah is against to Quran, then he tries to bear witness that prophet tought against quran, as prophet did not speak only the quranic word in his all life,,,he had all the matters of life by performin Quran and in accordance to quran (but in detailed manner, not just speaking quranic verses in response to each and every question. He had to speak when anyone asked something about Islam from him or some elaboration about some quranic verse).
You talk about learning Arabic and then you yourself give meanings to words used in Al-Qur'aan that Allah never intended. The only correct Sunnah according to Al-Qur'aan is the Sunnah of Allah (3362, 3543, 4823). Prophet Muhammad never added anything to Al-Qur'aan relevant to our guidance. Allah Himself tells us in Al-Qur'aan that He has given EVERY example in Al-Qur'aan relevant to our guidance (1789, 3927), that He has made Al-Qur'aan FULLY DETAILED (6114, 6126, 752, 1024, 1037, 3028, 413), CLEAR (3118, 432, 442), and HAS NOT NEGLECTED ANYTHING in it relevant to our guidance (63, and that He Himself explains it (2533, 2419, 7519). Allah explains the Qur'aan with the Qur'aan.
Ofcourse it is a matter to accept that some ahadith have been wrongly narrated OR fake. But that does not mean to reject those ahadith which are even helpful in understanding and learning, and even several ahadith are there which were followed but science now in this age is exploring that.
It seems like you advise others to learn Arabic and then you yourself fail to understand what Allah says about "hadeeth" in Al-Qur'aan. Allah uses the word "hadeeth" in Al-Qur'aan and asks us NOT TO BELIEVE ANY HADEETH OTHER THAN ALLAH'S REVELATIONS many times, and NOT TO FOLLOW ANY BOOK OTHER THAN QUR'AAN for our guidance.
456 These are God's revelations that We recite to you with truth. So, in which HADEETH, after God and His revelations, do they believe?
7185 Did they not look at the dominion of heavens and Earth, and all that God has created? Perhaps their time is drawing near; so in which HADEETH after this one will they believe?
7749 Woe on that Day to the disbelievers!
7750 So in what HADEETH after it will they believe?6835 What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
6836 Or do you have another book which you study?Are you going to reject Allah's commands and still call yourself muslim ? Allah asked Prophet Muhammad to judge only according to Al-Qur'aan and not to add anything to Al-Qur'aan. Prophet Muhammad himself followed only what Allah inspired to him in form of Al-Qur'aan and never added anything to it.
6943 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
6944 And had he attributed ANYTHING falsely to Us.
6945 We would have seized him by the right.
6946 Then, We would have severed his life-line.
6947 None of you would be able to prevent it.548 And We have sent down to you the Scripture with truth, authenticating what is present of the Scripture and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth.
1015 And when Our clear revelations are recited to them, those who do not wish to meet Us said "Bring a Quran other than this, or change it!" Say "It is not for me to change it from my own accord, I merely follow what is inspired to me. I fear if I disobey my Lord the retribution of a great day!"
6114 "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this Scripture FULLY DETAILED?" Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
619 Say "Which is the greatest testimony?" Say "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Quran that I may warn you with it and whomever it reaches,
In accordance to 6114, 6943-47 and many other clear cut ayat, prophet Muhammad himself commanded his people not to write his own hadith, this is documented in Muslim and other books
"Do not write down anything of me except the Qur'aan. Whoever writes other than that should delete it"
Omar Bin Al-Khatab is recorded as saying 'I wanted to write the traditions of Prophet Muhammad, and I remembered a people who were before you, they wrote other books to follow and abandoned the book of GOD. And I will never, I swear, replace GOD's book with anything' (Reported by Jami' Al-Bayan 1/67)
If any so called "hadeeth" of Prophet Muhammad contradicts the Qur'aan then it is a fabrication falsely attributed to him, and if any so called "hadeeth" matches what the Qur'aan says, then it would be redundant anyway because the information conveyed by that "hadeeth" is already present in the Hadeeth of Allah i.e. Al-Qur'aan. Actually Allah says in Al-Qur'aan that the Qur'aan is the saying/uttering of Prophet Muhammad, so the Qur'aan is the true hadeeth of Prophet Muhammad.
8119 It is the saying of an honourable messenger.
8120 With power and influence from the One of the throne.
8121 Obeyed, and trustworthy.
8122 And your friend is not crazy.
8123 And he saw him by the clear horizon.
8124 And he has no knowledge of the future.
8125 And it is not the saying of an outcast devil.
8126 So where will you go?
8127 It is but a reminder for the worlds.
8128 For whomever of you wishes to be straight.033.021
033.021 Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.Al-Qur'an, 033.021 (Al-Ahzab )
What is here? The beautiful pattern or conduct of life by practicing quran.
You only learn in real sense when you get to the workshop or practicle display by your teacher.
If you disagree then please stop going to colleges and universities and start studying all books at your home.According to Al-Qur'aan Allah explains/clarifies Al-Qur'aan Himself.
7517 It is for Us to gather it and relate it.
7518 So when We relate it, you shall follow its revelation.
7519 Then it is for Us to clarify it.7174 It is such that We explain the revelations, perhaps they will revert.
911 We explain the revelations for a people who know.
2419 And God clarifies for you the revelations; and God is Knower, Wise.
He gives EVERY example and explanation in Al-Qur'aan relevant to our guidance including the beautiful pattern/conduct of life of Prophet Muhammad. The true "iswatun hasanatun" is in Al-Qur'aan itself.
1789 And We have cited to mankind in this Quran of EVERY EXAMPLE, but most of mankind refuse to be anything but a rejecter!
2533 And for every example they come to you with, We bring you the truth and the best explanation.
1689 And We have sent down to you the Scripture as a clarification for ALL THINGS, and a guide and mercy and good tidings to those who have surrendered.
May Allah guide us to the straight path and the truth.
2951 IS IT NOT ENOUGH FOR THEM that We have sent down to you the Scripture, being recited to them? In that is a mercy and a reminder for people who believe.
Please go through the following links
http//www.quran.org/library/articles/ahmad0.htm
http//www.free-minds.org/naveed.htm
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Hi Virtualeye,
I see hardly few people might have studied quran by learning Arabic.
I guess that statement can be directed to sunnis, shias and their likes as well. Don't you agree?
Otherwise most of the people believing in these free-minds theories are from the English countries and specially from America.
I guess I can say that most sunni's, shia and their likes live outside of saudi arabia as well, and are equally illiterate in arabic. Don't you agree?
This is actually the philosophy of Dog, as he does not need any restriction to cope up with his sexual thirst and just goes to his own mother, sister or whatever. ( I dont mean to point this exampe directly to free-minds followers, but its the example of liking freedom).
I guess the sunnis, shia's and their likes enjoy their freedom to practice their traditions and rituals as well, don't you think?
so people who want freedom from restrictions, then immediately start believing what others say in accordance to their beliving, but when comes some Hadith then they already have Faith (EEMAN) without any doubt that all hadith are fake or ever crap.
I guess I didn't really understand that... If it's something important, please explain.
When some Rashid-khalifa's follower will give some opinion, then they will immediately say yes and start praising, but when somebody talks about spending life according sunnah then they already have a plane belief to reject that.
I guess the sunnis, shias and their likes will immediately say yes when some heavily bearded imam gives a fatwa, but when some unbearded man like Rashad says something, he's rejected, and killed.
If somebody thinks that sunnah is against to Quran, then he tries to bear witness that prophet tought against quran,
I guess when the sunnis, shias their likes think that the sunnah is intergrated with islam, then they're trying to bear witness that islam is based on hear-say.
he had all the matters of life by performin Quran and in accordance to quran (but in detailed manner, not just speaking quranic verses in response to each and every question. He had to speak when anyone asked something about Islam from him or some elaboration about some quranic verse).
Well I guess the sunnis, shias and their likes need to be dictated down to the smallest detail about all the matters of life. The brain must be somekind of a batteri and not really made for thinking, don't you think?
Ofcourse it is a matter to accept that some ahadith have been wrongly narrated OR fake. But that does not mean to reject those ahadith which are even helpful in understanding and learning, and even several ahadith are there which were followed but science now in this age is exploring that.
Well I guess the sunnis, shias and their likes can say that some hadith is correct OR true, but that doesn't mean that they should accept those ahadith that are useless in understanding and learning, and the ocean of hadith which follow superstition, that illusionist are still exploiting.
033.021 Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
Al-Qur'an, 033.021 (Al-Ahzab )
I guess I must've lost my eye sight, since I clearly can't see anything there which says "Follow the hear-say that will come 300 years starting from..... wait... wait.... now!"
You only learn in real sense when you get to the workshop or practicle display by your teacher.
I guess the sunnis, shias and their likes need someone to teach them some real sense.
If you disagree then please stop going to colleges and universities and start studying all books at your home.
I guess I've already bought a math book for next years school, but my father already paid his taxes, so I'll keep going to school. But, I wonder, what happens when there are no one there to teach me? I mean, how did Ramanjuan - one of the greatest mathematicians of all time - learn math, when he was kicked out of school? What about Einstein? What is their secret? Oh no, could it be? Could it be that they...no it couldn't...not something this terrible...but maybe..just maybe...started thinking with their own brains? You tell me.
Nadeem.
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Sorry, I dont have time to further answer multiple persons yet,,,,I will do it InshaAllah .
For the moment my point is that, I dont follow any sect but also I dont deny ahadith. I dislike the sectarianism very badly. But like the differece in thinking.Also, please dont always try to place sunnah to be something out of this world. sunnah explains quranic practice, Hece it does not add any thing, but just the class notes to understand the text book. It does neither add anything to Quran nor subtract nor contradict.
If some hadith seem to be contradicting quran, then that is considered to be fake. And if anybody follows that hadith then I will be the first to object and ask for justification.
I hope it clarifies my position.
And please dont throw fire from your mouth toward sunnis.
I gave the example of Dog for the extra freedom, no which people ever start attributing towards quranic verses (look at the ideology of phenix). If somebody has some ill desires then please dont subtract any verses from quran, but keep on doing sins and face the judgment day, but dont bother muslims (both sunnis and quran only).I hope it clarifies my position again.
Regards.
VirtualEye