Contradictions and inconsistencies in the quran?

unknownuser

Even natives in the english language will have a hard time reading that statement bro. It's not constructed accurately, maybe to add some level of 'witticism'?!? To clarify, I think they are trying to say-

'If I was to spot your fallacy, then your statement in bold along with the statement that you made previously in the same post, may reverse the proverbial "sticks to snakes". (Insert more 'wit' here)'.

This is not saying much at all unless they try.

Talk about the desperation of understanding your man-made holier-than-thou-book in Allah?s name that has caused an atomic flare in the entire world in destitute, disputes, chaos, disharmony, wars, lies, jealousies, deceptions, power, and multitude of divisions, you name it, and the history seems to be repeating itself with ?Quran Aloners? at an advanced phase in case you seem to be missing out on this one?..the level of witticism at its peak.

Now here?s another symbolic phrase your native Englishmen may have a hard time understanding Ilk of your native mindsets need ?nipples to suck upon, dolls to play around and see-saw to ride on?.

Dear friends,

i have been a member on this site for over 3 years now and hopefully like to continue. I see some very interesting threads and postings by members from which I get a lot of interesting information and also learn many new things. But what really bothers? me is the hatred, animosity and mistrust which is being spread by a few members here and which vitiates the whole atmosphere.

When one member starts attacking the other and that too in a very denigrating and contemptuous manner, then the other is also forced to take a stand and retaliate in like fashion, pay it back in the same coin so to speak.

This is a very unhealthy and uncivilized way of behavior. What it only lends credence to is the incorrigible nature of human beings. The great ?prophets/messengers? came and did their utmost to elevate us in terms of character, morality and spiritual values, to do good to others, to open our minds and to show compassion and tolerance, NOT BY BOOKS but by the ESSENSE OF NATURE. Well, they all were mortal and passed away, and what do we see after them..? The same blessed unfortunate bunch, divided amongst themselves, bickering over practices, traditions, rights and power!

Whereas one does acknowledge that all great religions brought in a framework and a structured set of values and formulated moral and social laws in ages when human beings were more like animals, but if this is the state today, where religion has caused deep divisions, caused massive wars, raised impenetrable barriers and is the cause of so much havoc, pain and suffering, then either those religions have failed us or we have failed them. We have proved that we are as yet beyond redemption.

The daily vicious name calling here, the amount of venom displayed?. its really saddening! It's enough to make someone puke and walk away and distance oneself from the very source of all this misery.

How many of us have genuinely tried with affection and love, to understand someone else's beliefs, tried to talk to their learned men, listen to their reasoning and get behind their logic, with an open mind? There are gems to be collected from them as well. Why not take the good from wherever it comes our way and respectfully leave whatever does not agree with our god-given intellect, instead of deriding them and hating them? Do you really think you are superior than the other? That would have to be an extremely hypocritical and arrogant point of view to have!

Quran is foremost a hand-written/printed man-made book and that too a historical one passed over generations in its unoriginal format. There is absolutely no doubt about that and the entire earth stands witness. And many such books have come and gone. So treat it as such and the only possible way to understand it is with open-mindedness, objectivity, scientific and logical relevancy in order to critically analyze the subject without buffering and buttering up Allah and mocking HIM in vain, which the alleged Muslims including Quran Aloners are quite skilled at.

What is being displayed here is naked as well as silenced intolerances, prejudice, dogmatic narrow-mindedness and bigotry. The ummah self-destructed after the death of the prophet and the process still continues with a BIG! Congrats and welcome to...... ?FREE MINDS? (a trademark bearing an irrevocable stamp of Quran) hushed out.

bash the s*** out of him and act like a terrorist (offensive)

And that my friends, speaks for itself.

unknownuser

Dear brother agent

I'm surprised that you deleted the alleged contradictions, please post them back one at a time, i have no problem from you raising any concerns, i was only concerned about masses of alleged contradictions in one comment, i was just about to respond to the Firon one, i know it well because i responded to it ages ago, so i will try to respood to it from memory, but there are others that i haven't read before like Ad tribe, i think your post suggested an alleged contradiction regarding one night and 3 nights?, i will see if i can find the verses, i also remember there was one about Abraham, please post them back one at a time and don't leave it to my memory as my memory sometimes fails me

please be aware i'm more interested to dicuss it with a muslim than with an enemy of my religion so please discuss it with me if you want but one at a time please

thanks

unknownuser

Thank you danish for your lovely insight that have only one objective, to try to tell nicely that the Quran is man made, well, good for you and for any who will follow your lovely insight

now for my comment about bashing the s*** out of someone attacking my religion, that was a bit humorous but again it is a reality by many faiths all around the world, i'm not one of those though, it is clear that i condemned this option by saying "Like a terrorist", was that was hard for you to get?

agentxxx

peace brother ahmed.

you wrote

Good morning mate

good morning brother.

you wrote

Quote from agentxxx
I hope now you understand why I didnt responded and if you look at the time these replies were posted there is a difference of 10 minutes only and the reply of sis s-c has couple of links which I couldnt read at that time.

Ok bro, sorry about that

np bro ;D

Well, I call the ones who clearly show the symptoms like enquirer for example, he is challenging Allah by insisting that the Quran is not His work, He also trying hard to lead Muslims astray by telling them to follow they conscience and not follow the Quran, and that is enough for me to call him the enemy of God, the enemy of the Quran and the enemy of Islam, it is not an insult though because simply Im an enemy to him too, but I guess I should be called the enemy of atheism

brother indeed we all have our own different ways to react. but my humble opinion is that both sides should stop if the discussion becomes emotion and chances of resolving an issue are zero, we must also keep in mind verses like these.
4134. The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend.

But none is granted it save those who are steadfast, and none is granted it save the owner of great happiness.

bro ab-well, I didnt associate you with any enemy, I only told you that the way you are posting masses of alleged contradictions is no different to their confusing way that only constitute a propaganda

thanks and peace brother, i did not meant it to be llike that.

bro ab-sure, me too, but I could not see any absurdities in the Quran I only saw this within the Muslims and in the Hadith, the Quran is perfect and has no absurdities

may be absurdity is not a proper word to be used here but tell me what should be the reaction of a hadith supporter regarding what you stated?

bro abOk bro but I just wanted any sort of proper feed back because doing it with you is not a debate unlike doing it with others that I consider enemies to my religion

this is what i mean brother? we shouldnt carry an issue that far where we start suspecting/hating each others.

bro abBro the comment by enq is utter BS, if someone come and tell me the quran has mistakes, I have the following options

regardless of who that person is, I have to defend the allegation by dialogue, (defensive)
bash the s*** out of him and act like a terrorist (offensive)
ignore and wake away (defenceless)

So why being defensive (defending the Quran) is a shame?

Unless you guys want us defenceless?

excuse me brother but who are these us? i thought all at freeminds are a big family and we all are us? inspite of our different ways of understanding issue.
and please I didnot join freeminds to discuss the fundamentals of the book, there is absolutely no disagreement on that, they are clear for even a lay man to understand.

the disagreement is only regarding the allagorical verses and if even that cannot be discussed, then ??.

tell me please

And We know well that they say Only a man teacheth him. The speech of him at whom they falsely hint is outlandish, and this is clear Arabic speech.
Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, Allah guideth them not and theirs will be a painful doom.

25 4. And those who disbelieve say This is nothing but a lie which he has forged, and other people have helped him at it; so indeed they have done injustice and (uttered) a falsehood.

25 5. And they say The stories of the ancients-- he has got them written-- so these are read out to him morning and evening.
25 6. Say He has revealed it Who knows the secret in the heavens and the earth; surely He is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
25 7. And they say What is the matter with this Messenger that he eats food and goes about in the markets; why has not an angel been sent down to him, so that he should have been a warner with him?
25 8. Or (why is not) a treasure sent down to him, or he is made to have a garden from which he should eat? And the unjust say You do not follow any but a man deprived of reason.
25 9. See what likenesses do they apply to you, so they have gone astray, therefore they shall not be able to find a way.

And when Our communications are recited to them, they say We have heard indeed; if we pleased we could say the like of it; this is nothing but the stories of the ancients.
And when they said O Allah! if this is the truth from Thee, then rain upon us stones from heaven or inflict on us a painful punishment.
But Allah was not going to chastise them while you were among them, nor is Allah going to chastise them while yet they ask for forgiveness.
Therefore continue to remind, for by the grace of your Lord, you are not a soothsayer, or a madman.
Or do they say A poet, we wait for him the evil accidents of time.
Say Wait, for surely I too with you am of those who wait.

what was the prophets reaction to all these very serious allegations?
was it 1,2 or 3?

brother where is the level of tolerance we preach? i think we should not post verses like these then

7180
And to God belong the beautiful names, so call Him by them; and ignore those who blaspheme in His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.

2855
And if they come across vain talk, they disregard it and Say "To us are our deeds, and to you is your deeds. Peace be upon you. We do not seek the ignorant."

2563
And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say "Peace."

3348
And do not obey the rejecters and the hypocrites, and ignore their insults, and put your trust in God; God suffices as an advocate.

1065
And do not be saddened by their speech, for all glory is to God. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.

God bless you,
peace.

savage_carrot

Talk about the desperation of understanding your man-made holier-than-thou-book in Allah?s name that has caused an atomic flare in the entire world in destitute, disputes, chaos, disharmony, wars, lies, jealousies, deceptions, power, and multitude of divisions, you name it, and the history seems to be repeating itself with ?Quran Aloners? at an advanced phase in case you seem to be missing out on this one?..the level of witticism at its peak. Now here?s another symbolic phrase your native Englishmen may have a hard time understanding Ilk of your native mindsets need ?nipples to suck upon, dolls to play around and see-saw to ride on?.

One can blame a book all they want. Human nature is responsible for all the multiple words for the same that have been quoted. It's unfortunate that my post touched a nerve that made one use it as a heading for an 'open' letter.

But what really bothers? me is the hatred, animosity and mistrust which is being spread by a few members here and which vitiates the whole atmosphere.
I remember the same not so long ago when I newly joined. No one raised much concerns then, infact the 'few' members at the time were being actively defended even though what was being spread could be described in the same terms by some.

When one member starts attacking the other and that too in a very denigrating and contemptuous manner, then the other is also forced to take a stand and retaliate in like fashion, pay it back in the same coin so to speak.
Justification for the response? Nice. Maybe no one should retaliate or maybe no one should attack...

This is a very unhealthy and uncivilized way of behavior. What it only lends credence to is the incorrigible nature of human beings. The great ?prophets/messengers? came and did their utmost to elevate us in terms of character, morality and spiritual values, to do good to others, to open our minds and to show compassion and tolerance, NOT BY BOOKS but by the ESSENSE OF NATURE. Well, they all were mortal and passed away, and what do we see after them..? The same blessed unfortunate bunch, divided amongst themselves, bickering over practices, traditions, rights and power!
So the book we have that claims to be from God is basically not from God. Alrighty.

Whereas one does acknowledge that all great religions brought in a framework and a structured set of values and formulated moral and social laws in ages when human beings were more like animals, but if this is the state today, where religion has caused deep divisions, caused massive wars, raised impenetrable barriers and is the cause of so much havoc, pain and suffering, then either those religions have failed us or we have failed them. We have proved that we are as yet beyond redemption.
If it wasn't religion, it would be something else. If one does away with one excuse another will take it's place. It can be race, birthright, greed, oil, power, declarations anything. It's not the book that causes one to fail, it is oneself.

The daily vicious name calling here, the amount of venom displayed?. its really saddening! It's enough to make someone puke and walk away and distance oneself from the very source of all this misery.
If someone feels this way, it's best to distance oneself and keep themselves centered.

How many of us have genuinely tried with affection and love, to understand someone else's beliefs, tried to talk to their learned men, listen to their reasoning and get behind their logic, with an open mind? There are gems to be collected from them as well. Why not take the good from wherever it comes our way and respectfully leave whatever does not agree with our god-given intellect, instead of deriding them and hating them? Do you really think you are superior than the other? That would have to be an extremely hypocritical and arrogant point of view to have!
Indeed, if all is genuine affection and love there should be no problem. One would be surprised to see how many times depending on perspective one thinks that their thinking is evolved and the other's isn't.

Quran is foremost a hand-written/printed man-made book and that too a historical one passed over generations in its unoriginal format. There is absolutely no doubt about that and the entire earth stands witness.
By man-made meaning not divine in origin? Divine but corrupted by man? A man's account of his reflections? Divinely inspired to a man but not really verbatim words of a god? There is no god just 'enlightened' people? By unoriginal meaning it has nothing new? Whatever it says can be found somewhere else? Is there no doubt then?

And many such books have come and gone. So treat it as such and the only possible way to understand it is with open-mindedness, objectivity, scientific and logical relevancy in order to critically analyze the subject without buffering and buttering up Allah and mocking HIM in vain, which the alleged Muslims including Quran Aloners are quite skilled at.
These skills are found a dime to a dozen these days apparently not just limited to the alleged Muslims and Quran Aloners.

What is being displayed here is naked as well as silenced intolerances, prejudice, dogmatic narrow-mindedness and bigotry. The ummah self-destructed after the death of the prophet and the process still continues with a BIG! Congrats and welcome to...... ?FREE MINDS? (a trademark bearing an irrevocable stamp of Quran) hushed out.

From both sides of the 'camp' perhaps or would that be overlooked and it's only one 'groups' fault? Hopefully the process will continue but in not quite the way it's being dramatized and sensationalized from someone's perspective.

unknownuser

Thank you danish for your lovely insight that have only one objective, to try to tell nicely that the Quran is man made, well, good for you and for any who will follow your lovely insight

now for my comment about bashing the s*** out of someone attacking my religion, that was a bit humorous but again it is a reality by many faiths all around the world, i'm not one of those though, it is clear that i condemned this option by saying "Like a terrorist", was that was hard for you to get?

Thanks Ahmed, I got your point.

You see, the issue is not the time and place in which the two aforementioned verses speak about; it is the congruency and tangency of PUNISHMENT justified in inconsistent and incoherent manner, especially when allegedly elevated to an unimaginable source of a higher merciful authority. In other words, the punishment given in one verse is irreflective/doesn't relate to the punishment given in another verse for the same or worse cause. Did you get my point without me going into detail or need further explanation?

agentxxx

Dear brother ahmed,

I'm surprised that you deleted the alleged contradictions, please post them back one at a time,

good morning to you brother and have a nice day.....after cleaning
its 518 in the morning at lahore and i am still awake , i can see the sun coming out, so before my wife comes out of the bedroom and cleans me up i think i should go to sleep.

please brother forget about the contras as they create tensions/confusions/misunderstandings and i dont want to be held reponsible for that ).

I love you all,
God bless you,
peace.

Navid

Peace open-mind. I will post you a reply tommorow.
Take it easy.

I'll be waiting anxiously

Peace

neo

Talk about the desperation of understanding your man-made holier-than-thou-book in Allahs name that has caused an atomic flare in the entire world in destitute, disputes, chaos, disharmony, wars, lies, jealousies, deceptions, power, and multitude of divisions, you name it, and the history seems to be repeating itself with Quran Aloners at an advanced phase in case you seem to be missing out on this one..the level of witticism at its peak.

You really don't understand global politics do you?

unknownuser

This is a very unhealthy and uncivilized way of behavior. What it only lends credence to is the incorrigible nature of human beings. The great ?prophets/messengers? came and did their utmost to elevate us in terms of character, morality and spiritual values, to do good to others, to open our minds and to show compassion and tolerance, NOT BY BOOKS but by the ESSENSE OF NATURE. Well, they all were mortal and passed away, and what do we see after them..? The same blessed unfortunate bunch, divided amongst themselves, bickering over practices, traditions, rights and power!

So the book we have that claims to be from God is basically not from God. Alrighty.

That a layman's appoach without substantiating from how and where the book itself got derived from to begin with. The rest of your rebuttle is simply vented out and back-knifed and I am not going to play your silly game.

Here, once again, in case you fogot to take this into account

Quran is foremost a hand-written/printed man-made book and that too a historical one passed over generations in its unoriginal format. There is absolutely no doubt about that and the entire earth stands witness. And many such books have come and gone. So treat it as such and the only possible way to understand it is with open-mindedness, objectivity, scientific and logical relevancy in order to critically analyze the subject without buffering and buttering up Allah and mocking HIM in vain, which the alleged Muslims including Quran Aloners are quite skilled at.

unknownuser

Talk about the desperation of understanding your man-made holier-than-thou-book in Allah?s name that has caused an atomic flare in the entire world in destitute, disputes, chaos, disharmony, wars, lies, jealousies, deceptions, power, and multitude of divisions, you name it, and the history seems to be repeating itself with ?Quran Aloners? at an advanced phase in case you seem to be missing out on this one?..the level of witticism at its peak.

You really don't understand global politics do you?

Do you?? Please explain in terms of my statement above.

TheNabi

Peace Enquirer

to be frank you have no idea about me,

I have a pretty clear view of your dabbling ways Enquirer.

so you are just making vague assumptions,

You prove against yourself that you are ignorant of the different theologies you claim to study. You assumed that Buddhism was a good practice and knew nothing of the basis of Buddhism. All you had with you were quotes by Buddhists.

and as for harmful behaviour...,where?...

In your uninformed conclusions as I shall point out in answer to another statement of your's below.

And whats harmful about pointing out inconsistencies in the 'literal' interpretations...or do you believe sticks turn into snakes,or hands should be chopped of nowadays.?..(careful with 17;36 .)

You are accusing people of being too literal according to your very own idea about what being literal is. One can think by analogy and obtain literal results. When I step into the world of the reading I take it literally from a symbolic point of view. I do not assume that sticks used to turn into snakes nor that hands were asked to be chopped off.

You must see that you are only becoming a caricature of Kyle, taking his stand, but not understanding that position. You agree with him, and have no knowledge of the means to his conclusions. You are superficial.

Joe

neo

Here, once again, in case you fogot to take this into account

Quran is foremost a hand-written/printed man-made book and that too a historical one passed over generations in its unoriginal format. There is absolutely no doubt about that and the entire earth stands witness. And many such books have come and gone. So treat it as such and the only possible way to understand it is with open-mindedness, objectivity, scientific and logical relevancy in order to critically analyze the subject without buffering and buttering up Allah and mocking HIM in vain, which the alleged Muslims including Quran Aloners are quite skilled at.

Lol, flamebait posed as argument?

Anyway, the authenticity of the Quran (regards to its preservation) is a well known historical fact.

Do you?? Please explain in terms of my statement above.

One word socioeconomics.

By the way, your comment about the "jealousy" of the Islamic nations made me laugh yes, people hate "freedom and justice" because they really want to have them. Seriously though, save this kind of trolling for idiots.

savage_carrot

That a layman's appoach without substantiating from how and where the book itself got derived from to begin with.
So you have substantiated it for yourself and everyone else, hence your claim of 'there is absolutely no doubt and the entire earth stands witness'.

The rest of your rebuttle is simply vented out and back-knifed and I am not going to play your silly game.

Indeed. It's a game is it, depending on perspective one sees what they want.

Here, once again, in case you fogot to take this into account and the only possible way to understand it is with open-mindedness, objectivity, scientific and logical relevancy in order to critically analyze the subject without buffering and buttering up Allah and mocking HIM in vain,

And of course then it will become clear that it is man-made. Thank you.

unknownuser

Lol, flamebait posed as argument?

Lol, typical. Global politics starts with an niche abuse (flamebait)?

Anyway, the authenticity of the Quran (regards to its preservation) is a well known historical fact.

Perhaps your socioeconomics or rather religious politics can explain that?

Do you?? Please explain in terms of my statement above.

One word socioeconomics.

Great explanation??? LOL!!!

By the way, your comment about the "jealousy" of the Islamic nations made me laugh yes, people hate "freedom and justice" because they really want to be them.

Good for you, keep laughing! It will give an added boost to socioeconomics.

neo

Lol, typical. Global politics starts with an niche abuse (flamebait)?

"a niche". "An" is used only if the word begins with a vowel (rare exceptions in the case of "u&quot.

And typical of what? I don't think you know what my "beliefs" are for you to call me "typical". Following the same tactics, I can call you a typical idiotic atheist.

Perhaps your socioeconomics or rather religious politics can explain that?

Wait, so you don't believe in historical analysis?

Great explanation??? LOL!!!

You expect me to explain global political issues to someone who thinks the Islamic world is jealous of the freedom of the west? Please. I didn't reply to you intending to correct your ways or engage in a debate with you, I replied to you because I thought your idiocy was funny.

unknownuser

Lol, typical. Global politics starts with an niche abuse (flamebait)?

"a niche". "An" is used only if the word begins with a vowel (rare exceptions in the case of "u&quot.

And typical of what? I don't think you know what my "beliefs" are for me to call me "typical". Following the same tactics, I can call you a typical idiotic atheist.

Perhaps your socioeconomics or rather religious politics can explain that?

Wait, so you don't believe in historical analysis?

Great explanation??? LOL!!!

You expect me to explain global political issues to someone who thinks the Islamic world is jealous of the freedom of the west? Please. I didn't reply to you intending to correct your ways or engage in a debate with you, I replied to you because I thought your idiocy was funny.

Flamebait, idiotic atheist.....keep adding and it will prove my point....err....perhaps your 'global politics'.

"Islamic world is jealous of freedom of west"; hmmm..now that's a newbie.

neo

Lol, typical. Global politics starts with an niche abuse (flamebait)?

"a niche". "An" is used only if the word begins with a vowel (rare exceptions in the case of "u&quot.

And typical of what? I don't think you know what my "beliefs" are for me to call me "typical". Following the same tactics, I can call you a typical idiotic atheist.

Perhaps your socioeconomics or rather religious politics can explain that?

Wait, so you don't believe in historical analysis?

Great explanation??? LOL!!!

You expect me to explain global political issues to someone who thinks the Islamic world is jealous of the freedom of the west? Please. I didn't reply to you intending to correct your ways or engage in a debate with you, I replied to you because I thought your idiocy was funny.

Flamebait, idiotic atheist.....keep adding and it will prove my point....err....perhaps your 'global politics'.

"Islamic world is jealous of freedom of west"; hmmm..now that's a newbie.

You're trying to prove a point against someone who's just having a few laughs at the expense of your 'intelligence'? Excellent.

So anyway, tell me why you don't believe in historical analysis.

unknownuser

I just went through this entire thread and am glad to read some great stuff from your end, begging for sincere answers rather than twists and twinky doodles.

Salam Danish

It is strange that you support someone denies the Quran totally and wants to spread his unfounded crap while others who are Quran believers and knowledgeable with it like Mquran and Laila been condemned by you, this says it all indeed, simply you are a Quran rejector like him, the likes of you is another proof that the Quran is the words of Allah, because it clearly told us that we will meet the likes of you and it even told us why the likes of you will be deaf, dumb, and blind, thanks to the veil, now, enq has nothing to say, he does not even put an effort to debate the ones who put an effort to reply to his non sense, he is very novice, but for me you are not, so let me see what you have to say against the Quran

Am surprised that your post above carrying much grounds to your topic seems to have tossed out, unnoticed. Anyhow, here's one for the road and several more to come as we travel along

Sure, let?s go on a trip, but I hope non of us is tripping though

415
Khalifa
Those who commit adultery among your women, you must have four witnesses against them, from among you. If they do bear witness, then you shall keep such women in their homes until they die, or until GOD creates an exit for them.
Yusuf Ali
If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way.
Pickthal
As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation).

415 is talking about ?Lesbians?, this is clear from 416, so the 4 witnesses above is not about a woman cheating with another man, rather, women who likes to sleep with women, and in this case 4 witnesses sounds more possible, as well the punishment to imprison them in the houses is sort of confirming that because if we let them go then they will sleep with each other again and if we put them in jail, the jail will be their paradise, that is the most realistic explanation to the above verse.

Who knows, in this case, the adulteresses may live longer than others until old age catches them in confinement. But hang on, lets see what happens to them next.

Do you mean a lesbian?

Four witnesses needed for lewdness of adulteress. What happens when witnesses fall short of four (3 or 2 or 1)?

If you are talking about a lesbian and there is no 4 witnesses then the charges must be dropped

What is the punishment for men (adulterer) in this case? Perhaps the answer is given elsewhere in a twisted fashion (see below).

The twisting is coming from you and others who can?t understand the Arabic Quran, there is no men involved in lesbian relationships

242
Khalifa
The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty.
Yusuf Ali
The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
Pickthal
The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment.

But this is another crime, 242 is talking about those who sleeps with others outside the wedlock, come one man, please don?t compare Apples with Mangos, 415 is talking about Lesbians, 416 is talking about Homos and 242 is talking about adultery (sleeping with others outside the wedlock)

Isn?t the punishment for adulteresses (women) in 415 to confine them at homes until death do them away OR is it 100 lashes as per 242?

Wrong answer, 415 is talking about Lesbians, 416 is talking about Homos, and 242 is talking about those who like to have sex outside the wedlock

Giving 100 lashes as per 242 may very likely not save their lives of either of them, but saves the adulteress?s life from getting beaten up in public as per 415?

Man, stop comparing Apples with Mangos please, how about you eat them?

The demonstration of punishment prescribed in 242 will surely inflict bodily injury, mental deprivation and societal/family trauma but rather hushed out in 415, Why?

Comparing Apples with Mangos again?, come on man, eat them please, the Mangos is more sweater than the Apples if it is Indian Mangos though.

How many witnesses are needed on this case?

In which case, the Zani and Zania?

Well, the verse never mentioned it, therefore it will apply as long as the charges has been proven by even one witness and possibly without witnesses at all like a photo

425
Khalifa
Those among you who cannot afford to marry free believing women, may marry believing slave women. GOD knows best about your belief, and you are equal to one another, as far as belief is concerned. You shall obtain permission from their guardians before you marry them, and pay them their due dowry equitably. They shall maintain moral behavior, by not committing adultery, or having secret lovers. Once they are freed through marriage, if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half of that for the free women. Marrying a slave shall be a last resort for those unable to wait. To be patient is better for you. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
Yusuf Ali
If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess And God hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Pickthal
And whoso is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. Allah knoweth best (concerning) your faith. Ye (proceed) one from another; so wed them by permission of their folk, and give unto them their portions in kindness, they being honest, not debauched nor of loose conduct. And if when they are honourably married they commit lewdness they shall incur the half of the punishment (prescribed) for free women (in that case). This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Btw, the above is not an easy verse anyway, and I?m sure you didn?t understand it as many Muslims do, but let?s see

Now the adulteress?s punishment is halved because she is married. Okayyy. But halved as per 415 or 242 or what?

Here we go, you didn?t understand the verse, yes the punishment is halved BUT NOT because she is married as you are suggesting rather because her status WAS ?Ma Malakatu Aymanikum? before marriage

What about the married adulterer?s punishement?

Ma Malakatu Aymanikum only includes women as far as I believe

How many witnesses are needed to this case?

At least 4 for lesbianism
And at least the crime is proven for adultery

3330
Khalifa
O wives of the prophet, if any of you commits a gross sin, the retribution will be doubled for her. This is easy for GOD to do.
Yusuf Ali
O Consorts of the Prophet! If any of you were guilty of evident unseemly conduct, the Punishment would be doubled to her, and that is easy for God.
Pickthal
O ye wives of the Prophet! Whosoever of you committeth manifest lewdness, the punishment for her will be doubled, and that is easy for Allah.

Orignal Arabic Text

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The verse above is clear, it is talking about punishment by Allah ?NOT BY HUMANS? this is clear from the words , ?Wa Kana Zalika Ala Allah Yasira?, i.e. ?, and that is easy for Allah?

This is a tough one.

Oh thanks, I like tough ones, but would that mean you are aware that the previous ones by you were child play?

In this case the punishment for adulteress is doubled, but by which standards/rule. Is it doubled as per 415 or 242 or 425?

Now you are comparing Mangos with Avocado, please understand bro 3330 is talking about the punishment that will be incurred by Allah to the wifes of the prophet if they commit Fahisha (lesbianism, adultry, etc etc?)

Who and how many witnesses shall we bring to this scenario, knowing that a prophet?s wife is being exposed of adultery?

If you are talking the human punishment then the same I said before apply

At least 4 for lesbianism
And at least the crime is proven for adultery

But Allah punishment is something else and Allah does not need witnesses and 3330 was talking about Allah punishment not the human punishment that should be enforced by Allah laws on earth

Imagine what painful emotions and disgrace this would bring to the community, prophet?s own family members and followers and to top it up, his preachings?

What the hell was that if you don?t mind?, are you talking when we see the double punishment to them in the JD?

Would the punishment be same (whatever that is) for prophet?s divorcees?

You mean if their status has changed?

NO because the moment they married the prophet they became the mothers of all believers and are not allowed to marry after him, all these conditions was told to them before marrying so they had the freewill to accept it or not

If the commit an Fahisha then the same Quran laws apply but they will also have double punishment by Allah in the Judgment Day

Not only are these verses in total contradiction, but inconsistent and incoherent.

It is your statements about the Quran that I found lacking knowledge/merit, in total contradiction, inconsistent and incoherent

Finally, what?s the prescription for gays and lisbians retribution?

415 and 416

Are there any standards inherited on them? Are any standards described above valid, witnessed and declared/honored today, other than a few shreds of jahiliah seen once in a blue moon, withering away.

415 and 416

That was really tough, I?m sweating very bad, mister Danish, you have to understand that my job is only to insert doubts in what you say about the Quran and if doubts are successfully inserted then your so called clear cut contradictions can?t be admissible and MUST be thrown in the rubbish bin, you should go back now and eat some Mangos (Indian Mangos though)

brother Agent, i just remembered that you are indian, please donlt take offencd as there Indian mangos in egypt and is one of the most delcious and expensive ones and i love it, in fact i can't find this mangos in australia and once i went to Dubbai and straight went and bought indian mangos there, you are one lucky indian, i love mangos bro

Many Slam Dunks

Cheers

unknownuser

You're trying to prove a point against someone who's just having a few laughs at the expense of your 'intelligence'? Excellent.

And I keep repeating myself....good for you, as I'm laughing along with you.

So anyway, tell me why you don't believe in historical analysis.

And where did you get that from that I don't believe in historical analaysis. Besides, it will only expose the hand-written man-made book coming out of thin air. Now that's a good laugh.