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Al Quran 53:1-18, 81:15-29

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    jankren
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    Salam,

    Do Al Quran 531-18, 8115-29 say that Muhammad see God?

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      adley
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      Salaam Jankren,

      Which part of the ayats made you think that? I'm curious, because as far as I read them, they do not tell me that Muhammad "saw" God.

      =adley=

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        Salam,

        1. So, I swear by the receding stars.
        2. Their orbits swept away.
        3. And the night when it passes.
        4. And the morning when it breathes.
        5. It is the saying of an honourable messenger.
        6. With power and influence from the One of the throne.
        7. Obeyed, and trustworthy.
        8. And your friend is not crazy.
        9. And he saw him by the clear horizon.
        10. And he has no knowledge of the future.
        11. And it is not the saying of an outcast devil.
        12. So where will you go?
        13. It is but a reminder for the worlds.
        14. For whomever of you wishes to be straight.

        Who does the underlined verse refer to?? ???

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          Salaam Jankren,

          Regarding 8123 the Arabic read Wa laqad ra-aahu bil ufuuqil mubiini
          First of all, I don't think that hu must refer to person, hence the "him" in the translation. Because hu can also mean it as in 6940 which read Innahu laqawlu rasuulin kariimin. This time hu cannot mean a person as I understand it, but something.

          Thus, I understand 8123 better as And he saw it by the clear horizon with "it" means whatever he saw by the clear horizon. What makes me intrigued is the relationship between 531 with 8115. Now, this is not a sci-fi, but I take it that a "receding/collapsing star" is just another name for blackhole. However, witnessing and experiencing this phenomena (how exactly I have no idea) first hand was of course amazing to say the least. And what would you think if you are a 7th century dude being explained about blackholes and stuffs? That's why 8122 and 532 are needed. Additional details such as 538-12 just makes these ayats much more interesting. ;D

          At least that is how I view it as of today. Perhaps anyone with a greater understanding might help us out. ;D

          =adley=

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            Hi

            Hu in 8123 is referring to Jebril

            Salam

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              adley
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              Salaam AhmedBahgat,

              Well actually bro, my Indonesian quran inserts the word "Jibril" in the brackets for that ayat. However, I still cannot see the reason for that. Do you have some info regarding this? Thanks.

              =adley=

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                Salaam AhmedBahgat,

                Well actually bro, my Indonesian quran inserts the word "Jibril" in the brackets for that ayat. However, I still cannot see the reason for that. Do you have some info regarding this? Thanks.

                =adley=

                Peace bro

                The context is clear man, i know the sura very well, it can't be that he saw Allah, because Allah can't be seen yet, if you see the verses before it you will see that it is talking about Jebril teaching Mohammad the Quran, also Mohammad never claimed to have seen Allah, but I will have a look at the verses again and see if I can do a walk through later as I'm at work currently

                Cheers

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                  Salaam AhmedBahgat,

                  Thanks for the reply. I agree it cannot be Allah.
                  But for now, I'll wait for your additional information regarding Jibril while I re-read them. ;D

                  =adley=

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