alif + tanwin : long or short a ?

wildguest1956

peace all,

Let's look a this word

Assuming

a = short a
? = long a

How should this word be pronounced?

'afw?jan ?
or 'afw?j?n

According to my grammar book, it would be 'afw?jan.
But according to the tajweed rules, it seems to be 'afw?j?n...

Do someone know ?

Thanks in advance for your help !

Erik_M

Peace JM

Alif can function, not only as a long A vowel, but also as a carrier, e.g. for hamza, like the first letter ('a).

At the end of this word, the alif functions as a carrier for the indefinite accusative marker (an).

The pronunciation would thus be .

The other indefinite markers, i.e. genitive and nominative, do not need a carrier like the accusative do. Nor do the deifinite markers.

Hope this helps. If this wasn't your question, maybe someone got wiser anyway.

May God deepen our knowledge... Salaam!

wildguest1956

Thanks for your input !

However, here are some opinions I have found on the net.

Please notice the final alif in which is only an ortographical sign and in this case it isn't read. All undefinite nouns in accusative case excepts those ending with "tA2 marbUt0" must carry this final alif.
http//www.mesiti.it/arabic/grammar/lessons/lesson2/declension.html

This explains why the nunation is never written, except in the case of the accusative an which sounded in pause a and was accordingly spelled with ?alif .
http//www.islamicnetwork.com/index.php/weblog/comments/theories_about_the_language_of_the_gahiliyya/

You should always write the final alif when needed, but
you pronounce it just when the word is used as an adverb.
http//home.unilang.org/main/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4077&start=30

all words in the question that end with a tanween fat-h are lengthened two vowel counts when stopping, whether an alif is written in on the end of the word, or not.
http//www.abouttajweed.com/12030202.htm

What do you think about all that ?

Samia

Salaam JM

Although Erik M well explained the gramatical principle behind the tanween, I think that your last link has best answered your querry concerning the pronunciation of the alif mamduuda or tanween. This is the summary of what I understood

tanween fath will be pronunced if there is no pause after it, whereas as an alif mamduuda will be pronounced instead of the tanween in the cas of a pause following the word.

Even if the tanween has to be sat on a hamza, an aliff mamduuda will be pronounced precedeing a pause.

The alif maqsuura If tanween fath is sat on alif maqsuura, tanween will be pronounced in all cases, pause or no pause.
If sat on taa marbuuta, alif mamduuda will not be pronounced if a pause follows.

Abu_Zahrah

As Salaamu Alaikum

Very interesting question on a site like this one. I say that because I view the site to be a bit philisophical, while this is a very pratical question. But to answer the question in the easiest terms, is that; grammatically if you pronounced both Fat ha-tain, you would say; af-waa-jan. Fat ha-tain on Jeem is not with long vowel, the alif here is merely a seat, as is always the case in accusitive, as I seen posted in an earlier reply. However, by rule of tajweed, the vowels at the end of an Ayah is never read, unless it is fat ha-tain, in which case you only pronounce one of the fat ha using the alif for longation, thus the reading in this Ayah would be; af waa jaa, NOT af waa jan nor af waa jaan, Insha-ALLAH this was helpful

Ma Salaam

wildguest1956

Samia and Abu Zahrah , thanks for your responses... It is now clear in my mind.
Peace !