Oracles
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Salam AhmedBahgat, all,
Many thanks for the clarification. Is al-istisqaa from yas'tasqa in verses 260 and 7160?
Peace sister
Yes, and as you can see it is related to gettin hold of water
Regarding al-istikhara issue, if my understanding is correct, is it then about making a decision based on a random choice (among others) by imploring God theAll-Mighty guidance?
yes
if this is the case, can we say this is similar to the sponsorship or kafalla of Maryam/Mary by Zakaria since the process described in Quran is random based on probabilities-)
not really, what happen with mariam was an argument to who should sponser her, Allah wanted Zakharia to be the one and caused it to happen, for them it was a mere random picking a pen out of many in one basket, "like lotto", it has nothing to do with seeking guiadance to an indvidual facing a few decisions, also salat al istikhara involves a physical prayer while what they did has nothing to do with Salat at all.
but God the All-Mighty made it in a way that the output is in Zakaria favour.
yes according to a plan, but Zakharia did not perform salat al istikhara to seek guidance to sponser her or not, HE WANTED TO SPONSER HER AS BAD AS ALL THE OTHERS WHO WANTED
After pondering, I think if my understanding of al-istikhara is correct, it does not contradict the wisdom in Quran as long as we acknowledge the Master of this game is the All-Mighty and not "chance" as such-).
I'm really not sure sister if you understand it correctly or not, but simply Istikhara relates to an individual not knowing what to do after facing a few choices, in mariam story however all the men wanted bad to sponser her, there was no Istikhara at all, what was done is similar to lotto, exacly like what happened to prophet Yunis
Peace be with you
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Peace "idolfree",
Make sure you are clean. Good to do after taking a shower/bath.
Get a cloth or some clean space to use.
Write your question down on a piece of paper
"Q- Please comment on my incarnation objective"
Then take the three coins, make sure you have designated a "heads and tails". Put them in your hands and cup them together so that the coins can shake loosely in your hands. Next drop them on the cloth or clean space. Write down the combination you get, I.E. 2 heads and one tail, 3 heads, 3 tails, 1 head and two tails.
You will do this for a total of six times.
Let me know your results and we can go from there.
JK- Ok did that and the results were
- 1H and 2T
- 3H
- 3T
- 3T
- 3T
- 3H
GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you Johnny K,
Sorry for the delay. I am without a computer at home for a while and been busy at work. I will reply tommorrow.
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Peace be upon you Johnny K,
Sorry for the delays. I usually post a lot at work but its been very busy and I dont have access to a computer at home for a moment, so we have to take this slowly.
Your response from the coins was Hexagram 41 (Decrease) into Hexagram 49 (Revolution)
Lines 2,3,4,5 and 6 stressed.
I will read it over tonight and give you my understanding tommorrow.
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Perhaps this might be helpful
http//members.aol.com/tig550908/i_hexagramkey.htm
and this
"The hexagram, like the pentagram, was and is used in practices of the occult as well as Satanism. In these traditions the hexagram is inscribed inside a circle with the points touching it."
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram -
Peace be upon you Danish,
Perhaps this might be helpful
http//members.aol.com/tig550908/i_hexagramkey.htm
That site is no good. Thats like reading the horoscope out of the paper compared to a qualified astrolger doing your birth chart.
and this
"The hexagram, like the pentagram, was and is used in practices of the occult as well as Satanism. In these traditions the hexagram is inscribed inside a circle with the points touching it."
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HexagramThe word "occult" only means "hidden/unseen", just like GHAYB. The ties to satanism are nonsense. Oracles are a tool for ANYONE to use, no matter what "SECT" they claim to be, just like meditation, prayer, etc.
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Peace be upon you JK,
Take a look at this site until I can get back to you shortly.
http//afpc.asso.fr/wengu/wg/wengu.php?l=Yijing&no=0
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Peace be upon you JK,
I will have the response for you this weekend. Also, do you have another question I can work on for you that is more direct. The Life question, although the most important, will not verify itself quickly. Is there any situation going on in your life right now you want to know about?
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Peace "idolfree",
Peace be upon you JK,
I will have the response for you this weekend. Also, do you have another question I can work on for you that is more direct. The Life question, although the most important, will not verify itself quickly. Is there any situation going on in your life right now you want to know about?
JK- Yes my exam results are about to be released. I want to know how ive written my exams, with stress, ease or confidence for example. GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you,
Yes my exam results are about to be released. I want to know how ive written my exams, with stress, ease or confidence for example. GOD Bless!
You dont know if you were stressed or confident? This is not a fortune telling device, you have to make sure you understand what this is about or you will not get it. I'll have a tool to help me with interpretations coming this week hopefully , then I will help direct you towards questions that can help you verify this.
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Peace "idolfree",
You dont know if you were stressed or confident? This is not a fortune telling device, you have to make sure you understand what this is about or you will not get it. I'll have a tool to help me with interpretations coming this week hopefully , then I will help direct you towards questions that can help you verify this.
JK- I remember you said that using Iching/Metu Neter you told a few events to friends that ALREADY PASSED and this made them very amamazed as to how could this be known. Or did i remember wrongly? Thats why i mentioned the above. GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you Johnny K,
I certainly have not forgotten about you. Just waiting for soemthing that will help me give a better interpretation. I promise you it wont be much longer. I thought it would be this weekend but it wasnt, just a few more days.
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Peace be upon you,
I received what I have been waiting for, I will respond to all this weekend, thank you for your patience.
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Peace be upon you Johhny K,
This is what I have so far for your incarnation objective. You got hexagram 41 (decrease) with lines 2,3,4,5 and 6 stressed. That changed into hexagram 49 (revolution).
41 Sun - Decrease
- The Judgement
This hexagram provides instruction on the method to be employed to access the wisdom and spiritual powers stored in the Divine part of the spirit. The method consists fundamentally of decreasing the lower parts of the spirit-the animal (emotional) spirit and the human spirit (the lower mind) for the Divine (higher) part of the spirit. So long as a person is ruled by his emotions, passions, opinions and beliefs, he cannot access the wisdom (truth) and spiritual power that resides in the Divine part of the spirit.
Line 2 stressed -
It is folly to be of service to another in the name of selflessness, if you throw yourself away in the process.Line 3 stressed -
Jealousy is a major expression of the lower part of the spirit that must be transcended in order to bring the higher part of the spirit into manifestation.Line 4 stressed -
This line represents the divine law which states that by transcending your faults within and without, you can attract, through the power of your divine spirit, the help and friends that you need.Line 5 stressed -
If it is in your destiny to be fortunate, the oracles will concur and the fortune must come. By extension, this line instructs you that you can find out everything about your destiny from the oracles, and whatever the oracle indicates about your destiny will come to pass. In the ancient Egyptian spiritual system, the oracle was called the Metu Neter-the Word of God.
What is most important here is the realization that through the superior oracles, God has made Itself available at all times to people. There is, therefore, never a need to give in to the lower parts of being-anger, fear, selfishness, opinions, etc. The Word of God is always available as a source of infallible guidance. Moreover, only the Word of God can move the Spirit of God. To live the Word of God with peace, joy, love and understanding-in the midst of adversity-enables you to share in the Spiritual power of God.Line 6 stressed -
This line represents the blessings that come to all from the selfless work of an individual. Through the power of the divine part of one?s spirit, he or she attracts helpers in the work because the work is for the benefit of all.49 Ko - Revolution (Molting)
- The Judgement
This hexagram provides instruction on how to deal with revolutionary and radical changes. They do not represent the normal way of nature, and must ,therefore, be handled with care and intelligence. Such changes must be the undertaken as the last resort and with expert guidance.
I would like to do a Metu Neter oracle for you but I have to find out first if you must be present, that will help clarify the this reading. Lastly, one reading , especially the incarnation objective which takes time usually to realize will not be enough to verify the accuracy of Oracles.
- The Judgement
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Peace "idlofree",
I would like to do a Metu Neter oracle for you but I have to find out first if you must be present, that will help clarify the this reading. Lastly, one reading , especially the incarnation objective which takes time usually to realizin e will not be enough to verify the accuracy of Oracles.
JK- I couldnt really make much of the above. And what do you mean by finding out that i must be present? Present where? Also what i dont understand is if the readings from the coin flippings are to be accurate, why dont they give the same order again when the process is repeated with the same question asked? The very same day i once again asked "what is my incarnation objective" then threw the three coins 6 times and noted the results which were different. So how can this be accurate? GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you,
I couldnt really make much of the above.
Yes, the above was derived from a program which I thought would be more in depth. I dont want to waste the time studying this further because incarnation objective is not easily verified. If there is something more immediate, like please comment on what this next month will be like, then we can verify it better. However, I am not convinced that you will really pay attention but will just wait out the month and say "it doesnt work".
And what do you mean by finding out that i must be present? Present where?
Present means be right here where I am.
Also what i dont understand is if the readings from the coin flippings are to be accurate, why dont they give the same order again when the process is repeated with the same question asked? The very same day i once again asked "what is my incarnation objective" then threw the three coins 6 times and noted the results which were different. So how can this be accurate? GOD Bless!
That would destroy the test. The second time you threw the oracle was commenting on your behavior. If you were "standing before God" would you ask "Him" the same question twice? Or would you take the answer and follow it?
Lastly, I am in no way forcing this on anyone and I realize how crazy it sounds, but I am certain of its results.
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Peace "idolfree",
Yes, the above was derived from a program which I thought would be more in depth. I dont want to waste the time studying this further because incarnation objective is not easily verified. If there is something more immediate, like please comment on what this next month will be like, then we can verify it better. However, I am not convinced that you will really pay attention but will just wait out the month and say "it doesnt work".
JK- Ok then lets do that.
Present means be right here where I am.
JK- Ok so you mean on the forum?
That would destroy the test. The second time you threw the oracle was commenting on your behavior. If you were "standing before God" would you ask "Him" the same question twice? Or would you take the answer and follow it?
JK- When someone/thing appears before me say in a dream or otherwise and says that he is GOD, i first have to verify whether it is really Him. Now in order to do that i order to apply certain reasonable tests. First of all i would recite "I seek refuge with GOD from satan the accursed". Next i would ask for an accurate event which would happen in the near future eg an earthquake which place and how much on the rictar scale. Suppose im told tht earthquake would occur in SF at 8.30 am with a magnitude of 5.323423. Next id ask the question. After that i would wait till the event occurs and if it matches the exact parameters only then would i have high probability that the answer was really Divine. Now in this oracle thing we also need to apply certain tests before we or i can see whether it works or not. Thats why i reflipped the coins on the same question. Anyways ill do it with the other question you mentioned above again. GOD Bless!
Lastly, I am in no way forcing this on anyone and I realize how crazy it sounds, but I am certain of its results.
JK- Im ready to believe it's true if it is rationally verfied. GOD Bless!