One True Religion !?
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Let?s take some of these teachings
- Murder is wrong.
This can only be either right or wrong. There?s no relativity to this (Iam here excluding selfdefence etc. from my definition of murder, as does the qur'?n).
And quran says war is proscribed for you?
So killing in that context is right?Regards,
- Murder is wrong.
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Peace be upon you,
And quran says war is proscribed for you?
Where is war prescribed?
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Let?s take some of these teachings
- Murder is wrong.
This can only be either right or wrong. There?s no relativity to this (Iam here excluding selfdefence etc. from my definition of murder, as does the qur'?n).
And quran says war is proscribed for you?
So killing in that context is right?Regards,
if we go to war to defend the religion then killing is allowed
Regards
- Murder is wrong.
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Peace Lote Tree
I can only repeat what idolfree asked you
Where is war proscribed in the qur'?n?As a general commandment? Nowhere.
All the context in the qur'?n regarding fighting are clear that it is always in defence of the oppressed, setting up justice or for similar causes.
There are situations when it is just simply unethical to proscribe "turning the other cheek". -
i believe islam is not merer uttereance more of a state of something. The hearts matter more. God knows what's in all our hearts. Therefore, those who call themselves 'muslims' doesn't automatically make them muslims and vise versa, nor do they get a free-ticket into paradise.
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AOA guys ...
This thought has been puzzling me since a long time and prolly many of you think the same thing ..
Do you think that Islam is the only true religion of the world and all the other religions are false or man-made (eg. Hinduism, Buddhism etc)apart from Christianity and Judaism?
I have realised that Allah helps everyone in this world regardless of his/her religion so does it matter what religion you are? Some religions are strict while others are not so does it matter to Allah what religion you follow unless its some sort of Satan worship or smth (hahaha) .....
Like last wk Allah granted this wish of mine and that strengthened my faith in Him... Would he have granted my wish if I followed another religion ?
All the Quran is full of the message what to follow and what is right religion.
I think you never read these verses
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003.019 The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will) Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.Al-Qur'an, 003.019 (Aal-E-Imran )
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003.067 Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.Al-Qur'an, 003.067 (Aal-E-Imran )
002.132
002.132 And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam."Al-Qur'an, 002.132 (Al-Baqara )
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003.083 Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah?-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (Accepted Islam), and to Him shall they all be brought back.Al-Qur'an, 003.083 (Aal-E-Imran )
A blind can also see what does following verse say
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003.085 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).Al-Qur'an, 003.085 (Aal-E-Imran )
003.102
003.102 O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam.Al-Qur'an, 003.102 (Aal-E-Imran )
006.014
006.014 Say "Shall I take for my protector any other than Allah, the Maker of the heavens and the earth? And He it is that feedeth but is not fed." Say "Nay! but I am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah (in Islam), and be not thou of the company of those who join gods with Allah."Al-Qur'an, 006.014 (Al-Anaam )
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VE, there is absolutely no need to call someone's question stupid. You have to learn to control yourself.
If you want, I can pull out Qur'anic verses saying as much, since I'm sure you'll just dismiss me and call me stupid as well.
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VE, there is absolutely no need to call someone's question stupid. You have to learn to control yourself.
If you want, I can pull out Qur'anic verses saying as much, since I'm sure you'll just dismiss me and call me stupid as well.
I call them stupid..because when they need to reject ahadith, or do whatever they wish, Then they have hundreds of arguments to pass. But in case of these simple things, they are not clear.
Anyway I edit my comment.
VE
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Peace Lote Tree
I can only repeat what idolfree asked you
Where is war proscribed in the qur'?n?
As a general commandment? Nowhere."Fighting is prescribed upon you, and you dislike it. But it may happen that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. And Allah knows and you know not." (2216)
2216 Transliteration Kutiba AAalaykumu alqitalu wahuwa kurhun lakum waAAasa an takrahoo shay-an wahuwa khayrun lakum waAAasa an tuhibboo shay-an wahuwa sharrun lakum waAllahu yaAAlamu waantum la taAAlamoona
Literal
It is written/ordered on you the fighting/killing, and it is hated to you and maybe/perhaps you hate a thing and it is best/good to you, and maybe/perhaps you like/love a thing and it is bad/evil to you, and God knows, and you do not know.Free-Minds - Warfare has been decreed for you while you hate it; and perhaps you may hate something while it is good for you, and perhaps you may love something while it is bad for you; God knows while you do not know.
Rashad Khalifa - Fighting may be imposed on you, even though you dislike it. But you may dislike something which is good for you, and you may like something which is bad for you. GOD knows while you do not know.
Regards,
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I do believe that Islam is the only true religion in the world and that we should not be ignorant of it but lets take this situation for eg. Why will a hindu person go to hell or be punished when he/she believes in his/her religion so firmly? In the end, its not ones fault that he is of a particular religion etc etc ...
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Peace ammarb87. I dont believe hindus,buddhists,jews,atheists,agnostics etc...Will definately go to hell...
Its the persons practical good deeds,and good intentions which will make him successful...not just his theoretical beliefs...Im sure terrorists and extremists think their theoretical beliefs and rituals alone will send them to heaven...Doesnt mean their behaviour and deeds are good...Deeds and intentions maketh man successful...
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Peace be upon you VE,
As moderator and follower of the order of Abraham, I must warn you against calling others stupid. Such language will not be tolerated. Please show that you are a follower of righteousness by choosing the good response over the bad response.
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Peace be upon you,
War is not prescribed in the reading, fighting is prescribed, but the true fighting is the fight against letting the emotions (shayteen) become your leaders instead of your followers, this is the true jihad. Physical fighting is only done in self defense.
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Lote Tree
Do you know what a context is and can you guess why I mentioned this word in my last post to you?
When you are able to read and quote al-qur'?n chapter 2 verse 116, why then can?t you also read and quote the direct next verse 117, which clearly clarifies when fighting (al qital! not war, which is al harb!) is proscribed and under which circumstances?
Your selection is an unfair one with regards to the content of al-qur'?n.
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Peace be upon you,
War is not prescribed in the reading, fighting is prescribed, but the true fighting is the fight against letting the emotions (shayteen) become your leaders instead of your followers, this is the true jihad. Physical fighting is only done in self defense.
When people instead of coming to the point,,start giving arguments just to oppose the other person, then what can you say?
If a person does not see a thing in the day light then I would say he is blind. Then calling him blind does not do anything wrong.
VE
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Peace be upon you VE,
When people instead of coming to the point,,start giving arguments just to oppose the other person, then what can you say?
I dont know, but what does this have to do with my response about war?
If a person does not see a thing in the day light then I would say he is blind. Then calling him blind does not do anything wrong.
I am sure the prophets dealt with many "blind" people, do you see an example in the reading(quran) of them speaking to people like you do? Calling them stupid and blind?
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Lote Tree
Do you know what a context is and can you guess why I mentioned this word in my last post to you?
When you are able to read and quote al-qur'?n chapter 2 verse 116, why then can?t you also read and quote the direct next verse 117, which clearly clarifies when fighting (al qital! not war, which is al harb!) is proscribed and under which circumstances?
Your selection is an unfair one with regards to the content of al-qur'?n.
Dear Leyla,
You wrote
Where is war proscribed in the qur'?n?
As a general commandment? Nowhere.And I have quoted you
"Fighting is prescribed upon you, and you dislike it. But it may happen that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. And Allah knows and you know not." (2216)
2216 Transliteration Kutiba AAalaykumu alqitalu wahuwa kurhun lakum waAAasa an takrahoo shay-an wahuwa khayrun lakum waAAasa an tuhibboo shay-an wahuwa sharrun lakum waAllahu yaAAlamu waantum la taAAlamoona
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It is written/ordered on you the fighting/killing, and it is hated to you and maybe/perhaps you hate a thing and it is best/good to you, and maybe/perhaps you like/love a thing and it is bad/evil to you, and God knows, and you do not know.Free-Minds - Warfare has been decreed for you while you hate it; and perhaps you may hate something while it is good for you, and perhaps you may love something while it is bad for you; God knows while you do not know.
Rashad Khalifa - Fighting may be imposed on you, even though you dislike it. But you may dislike something which is good for you, and you may like something which is bad for you. GOD knows while you do not know.
If that upsets you because its out of context then I am sorry. But I have shown you a verse that prescribes war.
You could have easily quoted the full context. But you did not.
You wrote quranic concept Murder is Wrong.
But murder is not wrong when committed in war of self-defense isn't it?
So how is that Earth Shatteringly Brilliant Concept?
It is such a human concept! It comes from our innate sense of self-survival.
All species on Earth do this!Regards,
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Lote Tree
Do you know what a context is and can you guess why I mentioned this word in my last post to you?
When you are able to read and quote al-qur'?n chapter 2 verse 116, why then can?t you also read and quote the direct next verse 117, which clearly clarifies when fighting (al qital! not war, which is al harb!) is proscribed and under which circumstances?
Your selection is an unfair one with regards to the content of al-qur'?n.
Dear Leyla,
You wrote
Where is war proscribed in the qur'?n?
As a general commandment? Nowhere.And I have quoted you
"Fighting is prescribed upon you, and you dislike it. But it may happen that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. And Allah knows and you know not." (2216)
2216 Transliteration Kutiba AAalaykumu alqitalu wahuwa kurhun lakum waAAasa an takrahoo shay-an wahuwa khayrun lakum waAAasa an tuhibboo shay-an wahuwa sharrun lakum waAllahu yaAAlamu waantum la taAAlamoona
Literal
It is written/ordered on you the fighting/killing, and it is hated to you and maybe/perhaps you hate a thing and it is best/good to you, and maybe/perhaps you like/love a thing and it is bad/evil to you, and God knows, and you do not know.Free-Minds - Warfare has been decreed for you while you hate it; and perhaps you may hate something while it is good for you, and perhaps you may love something while it is bad for you; God knows while you do not know.
Rashad Khalifa - Fighting may be imposed on you, even though you dislike it. But you may dislike something which is good for you, and you may like something which is bad for you. GOD knows while you do not know.
If that upsets you because its out of context then I am sorry. But I have shown you a verse that prescribes war.
You could have easily quoted the full context. But you did not.
You wrote quranic concept Murder is Wrong.
But murder is not wrong when committed in war of self-defense isn't it?
So how is that Earth Shatteringly Brilliant Concept?
It is such a human concept! It comes from our innate sense of self-survival.
All species on Earth do this!Regards,
Peace Lote-Tree.
You're inaccurately equating concepts here.
"But murder is not wrong when committed in war of self-defense isn't it?"
It's not that it's not wrong, it's that it's not murder. Murder is a specific action. There is a distinction between "killing" and "murder." They are not the same thing. We can see analogues of this idea in Western legal codes. For example, in the US, if one kills someone with malice aforethought, only then is the "killing" called a "murder."
Similarly, "fighting" is not necessarily the same thing as "war." And surely, as per the context, "fighting" is never "fighting of agression" but rather "fighting in self-defense."
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Peace be upon you,
War is not prescribed in the reading, fighting is prescribed, but the true fighting is the fight against letting the emotions (shayteen) become your leaders instead of your followers, this is the true jihad. Physical fighting is only done in self defense.That is your interpretation and if that is good enough for you then there is no need for me go any further. I have only done my bit by quoting diversity of translation that is available...
Shalom, Salaam, Shanti Kyle.
Regards,
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Hey brother VE
Just for your knowledge, Prophet Noah mocked his people when they showed arrogance and stupidity
so don't believe what you always hear
salam