Umrah
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Salaam suger,
i think i will elaborate a little But Don't be offended though.
From the pagan religion of the sabateans which according to records from before Islam where they worshipped the birth of a god on the 25 Th of December every year and people went on pilgrimage for forgiveness.
The cube was the Allat Giving birth to Dusares ?A god being born, people went to kiss the god coming out of the Vulva of Allat and people kissed it on the head, to show their affection to the goddess and the god being born.
Root.
Sin,Alif,DalSada To be Lord/noble and Glorious
ASWAD TO BEGET A BLACK BOY, BOY WHO IS CHIEF.
Sayyid Leader ,Noble ,Master.
Any brothers who have other dictionaries then lanes and or qd,
Do they have this meaning aswell?
Any; Thanks.
For pictures of the black stone see;
http//www.crystalinks.com/blackstone.html
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone
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http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone
My computer has blocked this site, I can't understand why ??? AOL is so crap >
Can someone please copy & paste the article for me on here.
Peace,
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Salaam Sugar,
The Black Stone
The Black Stone (called al-Hajar-ul-Aswad in Arabic) is an Islamic holy relic. It is one of the cornerstones of the Kaaba, the ancient stone building towards which all Muslims pray. The Kaaba is located in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, where it is surrounded by the enormous Masjid al-Haram, the Grand Mosque.The Black Stone is comparatively small, being roughly 50 cm (19.7 in.) in diameter. However, it can be recognized instantly by the large silver band that surrounds it.
When pilgrims circle the Kaaba as part of the ritual of the Hajj, many of them try, if possible, to stop and kiss the Black Stone.
The Stone is actually broken into several pieces, damage which occurred when the stone was stolen in 930. Ismaili (Qarmatian) warriors sacked Mecca and carried the Black Stone away. It was returned twenty-two years later. In the process, the Black Stone was cracked. It is now held together by the silver band, which is fastened by silver nails to the Stone.
Significance of the Black Stone
There are various opinions as to the status and meaning of the Black Stone.Many Muslims regard the Stone as 'just a stone'. When Umar ibn al-Khattab, the second Caliph, came to kiss the stone, he said, in front of all assembled "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither harm anyone nor benefit anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Messenger kissing you, I would not have kissed you." Many Muslims follow Umar they pay their respects to the Black Stone in a spirit of trust in Muhammad, not with any belief in the Black Stone itself.
Some say that the stone is best considered as a 'marker', useful in keeping count of the ritual circumambulations one has performed (tawaf).
Other Muslims are more willing to believe that the Stone itself has some supernatural powers. They believe that it fell from the sky during the time of Adam and Eve, and that it has the power to cleanse worshippers of their sins by absorbing them into itself. They say that the Black Stone was once a pure and dazzling white; it has turned black because of the sins it has absorbed over the years.
Still others believe that the stone can only erase the believer's minor sins. On the Day of Judgement, the Stone will testify before God (Allah) in favor of those who kissed it.
These last could perhaps be regarded as folk beliefs, not necessarily shared by all Muslims. It is unclear how widely they are held.
Some scholars liken the stone to the Philosopher's Stone, the Cornucopia, the Holy Grail and other religious and mythological objects which are said to bring or pour forth divine grace into the world.
The Stone was an object of veneration in pre-Islamic days. Early chroniclers say that the Kaaba was rebuilt during Muhammad's youth, and that there was some contention among the Quraysh, Mecca's ruling clan, as to who should have the honor of raising the Black Stone to its place in the new structure. Muhammad is said to have suggested that the Stone be placed on a cloak and that the various clan heads jointly lift the cloak and put the Stone into place. Secular historians see this tale as a later glorification of Muhammad, but agree that it accurately represents the pre-Islamic status of the Black Stone.
The Black Stone's origin
Just as there are various viewpoints regarding the religious significance of the Stone, there are also various opinions as to the history and nature of the Stone.Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building's cornerstones.
Secular historians point to the history of stone worship, and especially meteorite worship, in pre-Islamic Arabia, and say that it is likely that the Stone is a meteorite. There is no way to test this hypothesis without removing and examining the Stone, which would not be permitted by its guardians.
Hope that helps. ;D
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Salaams suger,
i thought i had made it simple for you to understand
i said "For pictures of the black stone see;"
the sites where simply for you to see the pictures of the stone enclosure sis.
i havn't anything against anybody kissing a man made vegina.
Gods Blessings.
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i havn't anything against anybody kissing a man made vegina.
Lol what makes you think i?m gonna kiss it? ???
Did I not mention that I followed the Quran ALONE?
i feel disgusted when someones mentions they are going on the haj and umra.
Feel like throwing up!
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Peace,
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To my knowledge kissing is the ultimate thing if you avoid it ,to my knowledge , your tawaf isn't complete ask an Alim or someone.
see
http//www.crystalinks.com/blackstone.html
"During the Tawaf pilgrims kiss or touch the black stone as they circumambulate the Ka'ba."
Let me say , when my sister came back from hajj - she said it was Great , but would have been better if she hadn't talked about it with me before hand.
God Bless.
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Salam Simple,
lol not everyone in the corrupt Muslim world believes that it is fard, although they do highly recommend it.
It?s illogical to believe that your tawaf is not complete if you don?t kiss the black stone, can you imagine what it would be like if everyone in Hajj tried to kiss the black stone!? lol there would be absolute chaos ;D
Peace,
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peace sugar,
I suggest when you go to visit Mecca and its traditional monuments, you check them out thoroughly.
For example, the kabba not being a perfect cube. the stories about nothing flying directly over it. what its made of, its structure, whats inside it, when was it most recently rebuilt, the oldest pics of it, maqam ibrahim, safwa & marwa, how the well of zam zam actually works, in medina do people worship Muhammad's tomb, the recently built new pillar for "stoning the devil" etc.
There are loads of things to check out. If I went, I'd treat it as an archaeological visit primarily.
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Salaam all,
There are loads of things to check out. If I went, I'd treat it as an archaeological visit primarily.
Same here. My wife wants to go there too when she has recovered and strong enough to do traditional umrah. I'll accompany her. It's nice to travel once in a while and learn stuffs at the same time, instead of being trapped in my office cube. ;D
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It's nice to travel once in a while and learn stuffs at the same time, instead of being trapped in my office cube. ;D
lol I know the feeling , but the office I work in is fricken huge, we have about 200 people working there.
Peace,
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Salaam all,
I am going to Umrah too, I am also thinking about going to the Dome of the Rock in Israel whilst I am in the Middle East. However, I am not doing this out of ritual or even because it is prescribed in the Quran, but because I want to find a connection with God away from the politics and opinions of everyone else.
Peace,
Stitch
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Salaam all,
I am going to Umrah too, I am also thinking about going to the Dome of the Rock in Israel whilst I am in the Middle East. However, I am not doing this out of ritual or even because it is prescribed in the Quran, but because I want to find a connection with God away from the politics and opinions of everyone else.
Peace,
Stitch
Salaam Stitch,
Please share us your experience ...I hope you enjoy your umrah.
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Salaam Stitch,
Please share us your experience ...I hope you enjoy your umrah.
Walaikum Salaam Andy,
I will share my experience when I return. I just hope that it is a significant experience for me that reinforces my faith and puts me at peace.
Peace,
Stitch.
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peace sugar,
I suggest when you go to visit Mecca and its traditional monuments, you check them out thoroughly.
For example, the kabba not being a perfect cube. the stories about nothing flying directly over it. what its made of, its structure, whats inside it, when was it most recently rebuilt, the oldest pics of it, maqam ibrahim, safwa & marwa, how the well of zam zam actually works, in medina do people worship Muhammad's tomb, the recently built new pillar for "stoning the devil" etc.
There are loads of things to check out. If I went, I'd treat it as an archaeological visit primarily.
yes I think I might just do that.
Peace,
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Salaam,
Sugar you say you go on the prescibed hajj, but who says hajj as you put it is the right understanding? Ever thought of that? Most words in the Quran are totaly distorted and hajj is one of them....
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Salaam,
Sugar you say you go on the prescibed hajj, but who says hajj as you put it is the right understanding? Ever thought of that? Most words in the Quran are totaly distorted and hajj is one of them....
Yes I only recently found that out, I am still evaluating the evidence, I need to go over it several times before I actually make my mind up.
Peace,
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I myself am still busy with seing the whole conception of it all. But hajj refers to debate, and refers probably to a gathering of the people of the same house=system=islam. To debate on issues concerning the public. The Quran is not a book of religion, but a book for the system of humankind.
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My granddad has done hajj about 10 times.
Everyone I know that has performed hajj claim it is a priceless, unforgettable, life changing, emotional, inspirational, indescribable, overwhelming experience (no matter how much shirk they have committed ) They also say that the feeling of being there is like no feeling on earth and just being there your whole life feels meaningful.
I wonder what attracts people to that place confused, I can't wait to find out. yay
Peace,
Sugar
