Verse 17:36 The New Idol???

KGB

Corrected TB. Move on. Why? There are plenty of members who are trying to change the meaning of Qur'an here on FM. Stay and put them to rest.

unknownuser

Stay and put them to rest.

It is a duty according to the Quran

but it seems they don't want to rest therefore we will not rest

peace

thegod

ahmedbahgat wrote
yes if it is an adjective then it has to be feminine because it describes the women, exactly as Marie said

knowlegeable is! -)

ahmedbahgat wrote
It is a duty according to the Quran

-S

ahmedbahgat wrote
but it seems they don't want to rest therefore we will not rest

cool! -)

peace! -)

Someone

Peace thegod, all

1255

Here is the example of youssof being .

Now your turn, just give one verse alluding to that the root means "world", in the singular form.

I will give others examples unless if the god wills.

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thegod

kgb wrote
Corrected TB.

cool...tb..-S

kgb wrote
Move on. Why? There are plenty of members who are trying to change the meaning of Qur'an here on FM. Stay and put them to rest.

i have karmic duhs to contend with! -S lolz..never mind that! -)

thegod

someone wrote
I will give others examples unless if the god wills.

aalimeen is the plural of alim...aalameen is not the plural of alim!

how did u change the word aalameen to aalimeen? i mean what makes u change the diacritical marks? or do u consider aalameen as aalameen and not aalimeen!

peace -)

kestrel

salaam thegod all

what kGB said is correct

Aleem - Knowledgeable

alAAalameena - Worlds / Universe

examples for "Aleem" are

402 The revelation of the Scripture is from God, the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

402 Tanzeelu alkitabi mina AllahialAAazeezi alAAaleemi

1255 He said "Make me keeper over the granaries of the land, for I know how to keep records and I am knowledgeable."

1255 Qala ijAAalnee AAala khaza-inial-ardi innee hafeethun AAaleemun

and an example for "alAAalameena" is

397 In it are clear signs the place of Abraham. And whoever enters it will be secure. And God is owed from mankind to make Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary, whoever can make a path to it. And whoever rejects, then God has no need of the worlds.

397 Feehi ayatun bayyinatunmaqamu ibraheema waman dakhalahu kana aminanwalillahi AAala alnnasi hijjualbayti mani istataAAa ilayhi sabeelan waman kafarafa-inna Allaha ghaniyyun AAani alAAalameena

I'm 100% sure as I used these words tens of tousands times in my everyday life.

But still the discussion between you and idolfree is interesting. ;D
A discussion between a true believer (you) and a hell creature.
A discussion between a wiseman (you) and a hypocrite who hates Mohammad.
A discussion between an Aleem and a Zaleem D

peace

KGB

Salaam Kestrel

Nice that you too join the discussion.

But still the discussion between you and idolfree is interesting. Grin
A discussion between a true believer (you) and a hell creature.
A discussion between a wiseman (you) and a hypocrite who hates Mohammad.
A discussion between an Aleem and a Zaleem

;D

unknownuser

Salaam Kestrel

Nice that you too join the discussion.

But still the discussion between you and idolfree is interesting. Grin
A discussion between a true believer (you) and a hell creature.
A discussion between a wiseman (you) and a hypocrite who hates Mohammad.
A discussion between an Aleem and a Zaleem

;D

wow

that was really tougher than saying the opinion is stupid

cheers

marie

Peace all,

I'mp not "the father of the grammar sibawayh" but I can see the logic inside the sentences in the Reading.

nisa-i almu/mineena = the wives of the believers (3359)

In 3359 almu/mineena has the same statute regarding nisa-i than al-AAalameen in 342

I hope you see the difference. almu/mineena speeks of the man believers, which makes wrong the translation of al3almeen as those who know (plural masculine) in 342, that doesn't make sense

Praise to the God, the creterion is inside the Reading.

thegod

kestrel wrote
what kGB said is correct

yes...he is right...aleem means knowledgeable! -)

aalimeen is derived from 'ilm'...and is the plural of aleem!

aalameen is derived from 'ilm'....but is not the plural of aleem!

so giving examples of 'aleem' when i am asking for aalameen does not help! -)

kestrel wrote
397 In it are clear signs the place of Abraham. And whoever enters it will be secure. And God is owed from mankind to make Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary, whoever can make a path to it. And whoever rejects, then God has no need of the worlds.

yes, 397 is going to be another task for them! -)

salaam -)

thegod

marie wrote
Praise to the God, the creterion is inside the Reading.

yes, the quran crushes falsehood! -)

u opted outta moderating certain sections? -)

peace!

marie

Salam thegod

u opted outta moderating certain sections? -)

I'm limited in time, this is why I asked Layth to leave this mission for another person who is more available than me.
I suggest brother Ahmad Bahgat to be the fourth moderator.

PS
I remain a member of this forum

Peace

unknownuser

Peace Marie... Your baby is beautiful,and very cute...just like my little boy. sun

unknownuser

Salam thegod

u opted outta moderating certain sections? -)

I'm limited in time, this is why I asked Layth to leave this mission for another person who is more available than me.
I suggest brother Ahmad Bahgat to be the fourth moderator.

PS
I remain a member of this forum

Peace

Thank you Marie

it is enough honor to me that you hardly know me yet put your trust on me, thanks again

cheers

marie

Peace Marie... Your baby is beautiful,and very cute...just like my little boy. sun

Thanks for your nice word.

Peace and best wishes

thegod

marie wrote
I suggest brother Ahmad Bahgat to be the fourth moderator.

yeah...cool! would like like to be replaced by like somebody who believes by the quran! -)

marie wrote
I remain a member of this forum

cool! -)

almarh0m

Salam Fellow Believers

Alhamdulillah , what more Can I say about The Knleledge and Wisdom of the Believers in this Forum ? To the Learned Brothers and sisters who contributed to this Topic .........My heartfelt Thanks to you all and May Allah Bless you and Increase you in Knoledge and Wisdom .

Certainly , there have been some major 'Surprises' that came out of this Topic For me anyway , that I have never encountered before and I'd like to share these 'Surprises' with fellow Believers in this Forum . These are the 2 Major ones
1). That , GOD Apparently,Created an Omni-Scient Being among the Human ???. Or is it just an Empty Claim to Know just about everything ? Yet failed to answer the 5 Questions asked in Respect of Verification ? I hope to GOD that We won't be Required to Have a PhD in Every Discipline in Order to be Muslims/ Believers .

2). Totally Shocked That , Some Brothers have authorised Themselves To Alter GOD's Word from The Qur?n to suit Themselves . e.g changing Aalamin into 'Aleemen' . As far as I know , Not even The Prophets / Messengers of GOD were Ever Given this Authority to do so ............Do these people think of themselves as Greater messengers than the Messengers of God ?

Once again , my Sincere Thanks to all Believers who participated in this Discussion .

" Fii maq'adi shidqin ?nda maliikin muqtadir "

Peace
almarhom

" He who Created me , It is he Who Guide me "

Fahad1

Misinterpretation of 17/36

http//thequran.wordpress.com/2006/12/22/misinterpretation-of-1736/

Chapter 17/36 And do not uphold that of which there is no knowledge for you. Surely, the hearing, the sight and the heart, all of these shall be questioned about it.

17/36 is usually misinterpreted by some ?Quranists?. According to them this verse is forbidding them to believe in the verses of Al-Quran, until they see it happen. For example, they try to justify thier rejection of events like the virginbirth of Jesus son of Mary, or the splitting of the sea in Moses? story etc, saying ?we won?t believe it until we see it. We do not have knowledge about those events and we are forbidden to uphold anything without any knowledge?!

Without any knowledge?! Is Al-Quran without ANY knowledge??!!

No, according to 1114, Al-Quran is decended with the knowledge of Allah i.e THE Knowledge.

Chapter 11/14 And if they do not respond to you, then know that surely it is sent down with the ilm-illah/knowledge of Allah (i.e al-ilm/THE knowledge), and surely their is no god except Him. So will you be those who submit?

So 17/36 is talking about not upholding the things outside Al-Quran for which we have no knowledge. It is not about the things and events mentioned in Al-Quran, which are backed by the knowledge of Allah.

unknownuser

So 17/36 is talking about not upholding the things outside Al-Quran for which we have no knowledge. It is not about the things and events mentioned in Al-Quran, which are backed by the knowledge of Allah.

Nice!

Bismi Allahi alrrahmani alrraheemi

Alif-lam-meem
Thalika alkitabu la rayba feehi hudan lilmuttaqeena

22 This is the Scripture in which there is no doubt, a guide for the righteous.