Another Obey the prophet PBUH thread
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The only question asked from people destined to Hell is about Grand Quran alone.
The basic reason of recording of episodes in our memory is that we had listened and seen them with our eyes. Anything, any happening and video recording which has been seen with the eyes remains in the memory quite conspicuously and its retrieval/recalling is always easy. It is always easy to recall and see what has already been seen and recorded in the memory.
Allah knows what has already happened and also knows what will happen in future. He knows what was said by anyone in the past and what will be said by people on the Day of Judgment and that what will happen in heaven and hell and also about the exchange of words between the people.
He knows everything past, present and future. Allah wants us to know the Day of Judgment in a manner as if we have seen it physically so that it is well inscribed in the memory and remembered every minute. The happenings of the Day of Judgment have mostly been described in the past tenses as if that has occurred and seen by us.
I have seen the ?video? of Day of Judgment and conspicuously and strangely noticed that none asked people regarding why they did not follow the sayings of old scholars, hadith writers, past people and their forefathers.
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I hope none of the writers have called these words , , as hadith and scholarly sayings. This is ?My Ayat?, ?Ayat of your Sustainer Lord?, ?The Quran?.
A student wishing to appear in the paper of Botany has prepared very well in mathematics and every question about it is in his memory but did not read book of botany.
Dear friends,
Do you think this student will pass the examination?
Or his destiny is absolute failure.The question paper and answer to be written on the question paper was even told to the father of humanity
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Dear Mazhar
This is the way we should behave and accept the Quranic ayaat and accept what is being ordered to us.I hope you also obey the whole quran including these Ayaas;
Let us pray togethe May Allah guid all of us the right path.332
(332) Say 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger.' If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger.3132
(3132) And obey Allah and the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy.459
(459) Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those from among you who are invested with authority; and then if you were to dispute among yourselves about anything refer it to Allah and the Messenger *89 if you indeed believe in Allah and the Last Day; that is better and more commendable in the end.2454
(2454) Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, you should note it well that the Messenger is responsible for the duty entrusted to him and you are responsible for the duty entrusted to you. If you obey him, you will be rightly guided, for the responsibility of the Messenger is only to convey the Message clearly to you.469
(469) And he who obeys Allah and the Messenger -they shall be with those whom Allah has favoured -the Prophets, those steadfast in truthfulness *99, the martyrs, and the righteous." How excellent will they be for companions!464
(464) (And tell them that) We never sent a Messenger but that he should be obeyed by the leave of Allah. *94 If whenever they wronged themselves they had come to you praying to Allah for forgiveness, and had the Messenger prayed for their forgiveness, they would indeed have found Allah All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate480
(480) He who obeys the Messenger thereby obeys Allah; as for he who turns away, We have not sent you as a keeper over them!
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(414) And he who disobeys Allah and His Messenger and transgresses the bounds set by Him - him shall Allah cause to enter the Fire. There he will abide. A humiliating chastisement awaits him.3336
(3336) It *65 does not behove a believing man and a believing woman that when Allah and His Messenger have given their decision in a matter, they should exercise an option in that matter of theirs; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Prophet, has indeed strayed into manifest error7223
(7223) My mission is only to convey what I receive from Him and His messages. *22 Now whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger for him awaits the fire of Hell such people shall dwell in it for ever.813
(813) This is because they defied Allah and His Messenger. Whoever defies Allah and His Messenger must know that Allah is severe in punishment.963
(963) Do they not know that whoso opposes Allah and His Messenger shall have the Fire of Hell for him wherein he shall abide for ever? This is a great ignominy.2456
(2456) Therefore, establish Salat, pay the Zakat dues and obey the Messenger; it is expected that you will be shown mercy4115
(4115) As for him who sets himself against the Messenger and follows a path other than that of the believers even after true guidance had become clear to him, We will let him go to the way he has turned to, *143 and We will cast him into Hell - an evil destination.533
(533) He does not speak of his own desire;534
(534) it is but a Revelation which is sent down to him331
(331) (O Messenger!) Tell people 'If you indeed love Allah, follow me, and Allah will love you and will forgive you your sins. Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate.'332
(332) Say 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger.' If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger. *283164
(3164) Surely Allah conferred a great favour on the believers when He raised from among them a Messenger to recite to them His signs, and to purify them, and to teach them the Book and Wisdom. For before that they were in manifest error.
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(4113) (O Messenger!) But for Allah's favour and mercy upon you, a party of them had resolved to mislead you,yet they only misled them selves, and could not have harmed you in any way. *142 Allah revealed to you the Book and Wisdom, and He taught you what you knew not. Great indeed has been Allah's favour upon you. -
My dear Leoxyz,
First of all try to determine and distinguish for us the difference between and . The word "obey" as perceived in English does not have relevance to the word . Allah has never asked the Last Messenger in the context reflected by the of Allah but has asked him to follow { }Quran. These two words are distinct and different from each other. Quran has vividly demarcated the perception of both these words.
If you find time read this where all the verses explaining both these words have been included
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/book_6/21/slides/1.html
{Concept and difference between and }And since you have the data, now please also paste those Ayat where Allah asked the Messenger to follow Quran and the exact number of times the Messenger said and reiterated to the people that he does nothing except to follow the Quran.
The Messenger says that he does nothing except following the Quran; therefore whosoever follows the Quran it is only he who follows the Messenger.
And then Quran demands that follow Quran and do not follow other "Aulia".
Did you read in Quran that a large number of people keep asking the Last Messenger to tell them the signs of the last day, when would it happen etc? He repeatedly tells them that he did not know about it; he went to the extent of saying that I don't know anything that could give me the idea/perception about that day.
Don't you think it reflects a duality of behaviour if someone rather seven of them claim that the Messenger had told them many many signs of that day?
Do you think in the days of Last Messenger there were not Hadith popular amongst the people? Don't you think they must be attributing many hadiths to Ibrahim, Musa, Isa alaihumusalam?
Did the messenger believe in any hadith of Ibrahim, Musa and Isa narrated and told to him by people?
Why the Messenger did not accept any hadith quoted by people to him?
Was the last Messenger not the follower of Millat Ibrahim? If yes, don't you think he should have accepted the hadith continuously narrated by many generations of the jews and christians?
Why was the last messenger non believer of hadith prevelant in his days?Do you not agree that in response to every hadith narrated to him he simply asked the people to show him the revealed book where it was so written or bring the concrete evidence from knowledge?
If the Last Messenger insisted for showing the statement recorded in the revealed book or evidence from knowledge and now if anyone insists for the same criteria is he not the true follower of the Last Messenger?
Messenger said this and then also asked who gives the guarantee about the statement uttered on the basis of sayings of their earlier generations. Has anyone of seven or more narrators of hadith taken responsibility for anything in writing?
No body stands guarantee to something outside the revealed Book, Quran.
As an intelligent man you do not accept an opened pill if I say that it is just aspirin unless you verify it that it is truly aspirin yet you expect that people should believe in everything whether or not written in the Quran or proven fact from the evidence of knowledge and take the certain risk of landing into hell. -
My dear Leoxyz,
First of all try to determine and distinguish for us the difference between and . The word "obey" as perceived in English does not have relevance to the word . Allah has never asked the Last Messenger in the context reflected by the of Allah but has asked him to follow { }Quran. These two words are distinct and different from each other. Quran has vividly demarcated the perception of both these words.
If you find time read this where all the verses explaining both these words have been included {Concept and difference between and }
And since you have the data, now please also paste those Ayat where Allah asked the Messenger to follow Quran and the exact number of times the Messenger said and reiterated to the people that he does nothing except to follow the Quran.
The Messenger says that he does nothing except following the Quran; therefore whosoever follows the Quran it is only he who follows the Messenger.
And then Quran demands that follow Quran and do not follow other "Aulia".
Did you read in Quran that a large number of people keep asking the Last Messenger to tell them the signs of the last day, when would it happen etc? He repeatedly tells them that he did not know about it; he went to the extent of saying that I don't know anything that could give me the idea/perception about that day.
Don't you think it reflects a duality of behaviour if someone rather seven of them claim that the Messenger had told them many many signs of that day?
Do you think in the days of Last Messenger there were not Hadith popular amongst the people? Don't you think they must be attributing many hadiths to Ibrahim, Musa, Isa alaihumusalam?
Did the messenger believe in any hadith of Ibrahim, Musa and Isa narrated and told to him by people?
Why the Messenger did not accept any hadith quoted by people to him?
Was the last Messenger not the follower of Millat Ibrahim? If yes, don't you think he should have accepted the hadith continuously narrated by many generations of the jews and christians?
Why was the last messenger non believer of hadith prevelant in his days?Do you not agree that in response to every hadith narrated to him he simply asked the people to show him the revealed book where it was so written or bring the concrete evidence from knowledge?
If the Last Messenger insisted for showing the statement recorded in the revealed book or evidence from knowledge and now if anyone insists for the same criteria is he not the true follower of the Last Messenger?
Messenger said this and then also asked who gives the guarantee about the statement uttered on the basis of sayings of their earlier generations. Has anyone of seven or more narrators of hadith taken responsibility for anything in writing?
No body stands guarantee to something outside the revealed Book, Quran.
As an intelligent man you do not accept an opened pill if I say that it is just aspirin unless you verify it that it is truly aspirin yet you expect that people should believe in everything whether or not written in the Quran or proven fact from the evidence of knowledge and take the certain risk of landing into hell.Surely we can decide these also but first comes first.
First we should decide about ;
1presence of qiblataan/qiblatain
2Meaning of "ma3aa ja3ala'
Without deciding the previous ones ,starting the next ones is not fair.
Even in this thread
This thread is about Qurani Ayaat which said about them.I endorse it agree with them 100% .Who is the muslim who can deny Qurani Ayaa.
What is the problem then ? Don't you agree with Ayaat which I posted.I hope you also agree 100%. -
Surely we can decide these also but first comes first.
First we should decide about ;
1presence of qiblataan/qiblatain
2Meaning of "ma3aa ja3ala'
Without deciding the previous ones ,starting the next ones is not fair.Even in this thread
This thread is about Qurani Ayaat which said about them. I endorse it agree with them 100% .Who is the muslim who can deny Qurani Ayaa. What is the problem then ? Don't you agree with Ayaat which I posted.I hope you also agree 100%. {Leoxyz}1 and 2 relate to other threads; let these be settled there so that the guests can know the entire test. Moreover they are of little importance as compared to this issue which can lead people straight to hell.
This thread is not only about Quran ayat alone; this thread is also about Hadith and history.
The question includes whether any one, Allah, his angels or guards of hell were interested in knowing that people read and followed hadith etc or not. When a student knows the questions that will be asked in the examination then would he not be considered a stupid student if he keeps studying about such questions which are out of the syllabus of examination?
All these questions are about Hadith; and being an expert and knowledgeable person about this field, I request you to enlighten us
1- Do you think in the days of Last Messenger there were not Hadith popular amongst the people?
2- Don't you think they must be attributing many hadiths to Ibrahim, Musa, Isa alaihumusalam?
3- Did the messenger believe in any hadith of Ibrahim, Musa and Isa narrated and told to him by people?
4- Why the Messenger did not accept any hadith quoted by people to him?
5- Was the last Messenger not the follower of Millat Ibrahim?
If yes, don't you think he should have accepted the hadith continuously narrated by many generations of the jews and christians?6- Why was the last messenger a non believer of hadith prevalent in his days?
7- Do you not agree that in response to every hadith narrated to him he simply asked the people to show him the revealed book where it was so written or bring the concrete evidence from knowledge?
8- If the Last Messenger insisted for showing the statement recorded in the revealed book or evidence from knowledge and now if anyone insists for the same criteria is he not the true follower of the Last Messenger?
9- Messenger said this, and then also asked who gives the guarantee about the statement uttered on the basis of sayings of their earlier generations.
10- Has anyone of seven or more narrators of hadith taken responsibility for anything in writing?
11- Is it not true that no body, except the LIARS stand guarantee to something outside the revealed Book, Quran.
12- Is it not correct that as an intelligent man you do not accept an opened pill if I say that it is just aspirin unless you verify it that it is truly aspirin?
13- If you do not take aspirin without verification, being an intelligent man, then would those not be considered by you as stupid of the highest order if they accept the word of people attributed by them to the Last Messenger just on its face value when the stakes involved are much greater than health problem, possibility of landing in hell?
14- Don?t you agree that the Last Messenger left in writing a warning for us
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Are these not the words, Hadith, Qaul of the messenger uttered by him and narrated to the posterity by only one narrator, Allah?
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Is this not the most authentic hadith reached to us in the same words expelled from the tongue of the Last Messenger?
Why the Last Messenger said this thing to you and me and everyone whom Quran reached? Because, as you rightly pointed out
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(533) He does not speak of his own desire;Messenger said this to us because he was told the same thing by his Lord
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Waiting for your enlightening response; I hop I will get it.
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1 and 2 relate to other threads; let these be settled there so that the guests can know the entire test. Moreover they are of little importance as compared to this issue which can lead people straight to hell.
This thread is about Qurani Ayaat ? Why are you pulling Ahadiths in it ?
Does this thread belong to Hadiths.Question 1,2 are important to know if we have some"knowledge" to discuss and understand other questions.
Think if we do not know that qibalataan and qiblatain are dual of qibla and over and above we challenge the whole world ,then "are we capable to discuss other deliate touches of language?
There are many arabic speaking people who are silent observer.What will they think about the knowledge and approach of Pakistanis?
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All the questions from 1 to 16 do not involve debate on the intricacies of the meanings of words or existence of a word which has a fact on its back and not mere utterence of the mouth.
Please enlighten us on hadith matters. The questions are simple and straightforward and do not leave place for some "dance"; the word "dance" has been explained in the thread "hell".
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Brother Mazhar,
Your premise is wrong. The only thing that people are asked when they go to hell is "if they abided by the Qur'an fully". Abiding by the Qur'an is totally different from only thing you need is the Qur'an, because the Qur'an itself never said "I am the only thing you need".
So, when the Qur'an says "obey the messenger", you will have to abide by it and God will ask you to answer for it. If you say that the only rules that matter for the messenger are in the Qur'an, then God will ask you for proof that you do not have. Indeed, it is natural to expect that the messenger will order his followers things mentioned explicitly in the Qur'an or mentioned but not explicitly in the Qur'an. You are asked to abide by all of them.
Also, when the Qur'an says
4150 Lo! those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers, and seek to make distinction between Allah and His messengers, and say We believe in some and disbelieve in some, and seek to choose a way in between;
The some in here points to two categories1- Believe in some messengers and refuse the others.
2- Believe in a messenger partly as in taking some of his message and throwing another. This applies to those who limit the messenger to the Qur'an and reject even the possibility that he may have ordered things outside.Take care and have a great day.
Hussein
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Dear Brother Hussein,
There is nothing wrong with the premise. Perhaps except the Messenger, there shall be none who could claim that he abided by the Quran fully. And verse 4150 is not about two types of people; it is describing the behaviour of three types of people living on earth. At the moment please enlighten on those 16 questions regarding things outside the Quran. If those questions are cleared the premise of discussion will become evident.