Where does EVIL come from?
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Peace arnoldyasin. Very good analysis. The satan is a 'state of mind' which we should avoid...I have found dr shabbirs translations (2nd edition,qxp.) of the quran one of the better/ more rational ones...He also clarifies and explains a lot of the symbolisms and terms of the quran...A lot could be learned from his translations.
I just dislike some of my perceived 'implications' of his 'enemies of islam' writings... -
As you say, good comes from The God and all comes from The God implies that all that comes from The God is good. On the other hand, bad comes from ourselves. This means that in the big picture of things everything that happens is good. Even rejecters have a good purpose in the big scheme of things because those that are guided can contrast their path to the straight path and be more guided (16-7).
Agreed.
But look in the signs around you that you can empirically verify. The God is the Almighty (al-Rahman) and the Merciful (al-Rahim). Those are two contrasting attributes and one can see the result of those attributes in His creation. Look at a beautiful sunset. It is indeed a beautiful sight and the sun provides warmth and energy and supports life on this planet. But the sun is a very violent and destructive place that will evaporate you in a millisecond long before you get to it. These are the signs of nature all around us. We are surrounded by this amazing and beautiful universe that is at the same time extremely violent and inhospitable. If it weren't for The God's mercy making conditions just right for life to exist on this planet, we would instantly perrish.
We can only hope that The God keeps us in His mercy after we die. Judging from the signs around us, not being in His mercy would be very bad.
Peace,
Ayman
I don't believe not being "all loving" implies that one can't be merciful. ) Tay, I think this addresses what you said as well. It's possible to be both mercifula and not-all-loving (but just 'loving' at the same time.
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What this means is 'good' and 'evil' are purely human constructs and cannot be applied to god or used to discern god's nature in any viable way; they have no value outside of our societies. Therefore it follows that 'evil' comes from man. As does 'good'.
If Good and Evil is human constructs so is God?
Regards,
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What this means is 'good' and 'evil' are purely human constructs and cannot be applied to god or used to discern god's nature in any viable way; they have no value outside of our societies. Therefore it follows that 'evil' comes from man. As does 'good'.
If Good and Evil is human constructs so is God?
Regards,
If you believe "god" is a construct of the mind, why are you here?
Also, if "god" is a construct of the mind explain the origin of everything.
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If you believe "god" is a construct of the mind, why are you here?
I am little surprised with the last bit of your statement above D
I think you would have answered it like this "What that's got to do with it?"
The question was legitimate was it not?
If you say Good and Evil is human construct then the question follows Is God is also a human construct?Also, if "god" is a construct of the mind explain the origin of everything.
Perhaps this is for another thread...
Regards,
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If you say Good and Evil is human construct then the question follows Is God is also a human construct?
For the purposes of this discussion, No.
OK. But I am still troubled by the "Good" and "Evil" being human constructs and "God" is not...and yet scripture says do "Good" and not "Evil" if that is the case then if God does not adhere to this sense of "Good" then that "God" would be a monster...
Regards,
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If you say Good and Evil is human construct then the question follows Is God is also a human construct?
For the purposes of this discussion, No.
OK. But I am still troubled by the "Good" and "Evil" being human constructs and "God" is not...and yet scripture says do "Good" and not "Evil" if that is the case then if God does not adhere to this sense of "Good" then that "God" would be a monster...
Regards,
I explained this in my post.
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Hi LoteTree,
Everything we 'see', be it outside or inside our heads, are human contructs. Not that the thing we're viewing is manufactured by us humans, but it's the very manner in which we perceive - the way we interpret our senses - that is a human contruct. Therefore, in our heads, 'god' is a human construct, though in reality, It is not.
Did that make sense?
Nadeem.
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Hi LoteTree,
Everything we 'see', be it outside or inside our heads, are human contructs. Not that the thing we're viewing is manufactured by us humans, but it's the very manner in which we perceive - the way we interpret our senses - that is a human contruct. Therefore, in our heads, 'god' is a human construct, though in reality, It is not.
Did that make sense?
Nadeem.
Ah young Nadeem I missed your response.
Yes I get you - that everything that we percieve is a human construct. It can't be nothing more. Therefore even "God" is a human construct though we we can't know that for sure. But this ties in with the insights of the past sages who have also stated that "God" is beyond human constructs and is unknowable through human concepts...
Regards,