Challenge to all rejectors of the Divinity of Al-Quraan : Moderated Debates
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Peace mquran....You should study politics...Then you could learn the etiquette of 'proper' debates...
Danish and lote-tree have stepped up to the plate many times in the past...I have given my views and opinions....
I suggest you ponder over my current assertion that,whether one believes in the quran as gods words or not,is SUBJECTIVE my friend...
This way you might save a lot of effort,unnecessary discussion,and energy in your posts...Agree to disagree my friend...Its how the world works... yay
Peace all. ps; Shall we debate whether KFC is better than mcdonalds?...Because thats subjective too... Thank god i live in some kind of democracy... bravo yay group -
Peace mquran....You should study politics...Then you could learn the etiquette of 'proper' debates...
Oh please stop your excuses. If you won't, you won't. I expected that from you anyhow.
Danish and lote-tree have stepped up to the plate many times in the past...I have given my views and opinions....
To a situation where they can pull one of your stunts and run, sure. Lote-Tree's already shown his affinity for a formal debate. So have you. I'm just waiting for Danish.
I suggest you ponder over my current assertion that,whether one believes in the quran as gods words or not,is SUBJECTIVE my friend...
Wow, really ?!! This a whole new revelation. You better get this published alongside your thesis on Neitzsche's 'spirituality'.
This way you might save a lot of effort,unnecessary discussion,and energy in your posts...Agree to disagree my friend...Its how the world works...
Hehe, you still don't get it, do you? Once again I don't care if you agree or not but i'm going to try to show present and future readers that you and your friends are fake. It's not too difficult considering you won't even step up.
Peace all. ps; Shall we debate whether KFC is better than mcdonalds?...Because thats subjective too... Thank god i live in some kind of democracy...
Democracy, is that what you live in? I thought you lived in the UK.
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Peace mquran...Why dont you leave the assumption that we are 'fake' to the readers themselves....Im sure many understand why some are reluctant to discuss certain issues with you...
Do you consider yourself the most knowledgable on quran on this forum? If not,then you wont mind nominating someone else for me to discuss with,and then i might agree to a moderated debate with them...(not AB,if you dont mind... .)
If this debate is about the truth,and not about you,then nominate someone else my good friend...
Im awaiting your response,and selflessness...
Peace all. ps; as a humnan being i may stop talking to you for a while,to save your peace,my peace,and the forums peace... group I really think you should relax my friend... group -
Hi enquirer,
Peace mquran...Why dont you leave the assumption that we are 'fake' to the readers themselves....Im sure many understand why some are reluctant to discuss certain issues with you...
Do you consider yourself the most knowledgable on quran on this forum? If not,then you wont mind nominating someone else for me to discuss with,and then i might agree to a moderated debate with them...(not AB,if you dont mind... .)
If this debate is about the truth,and not about you,then nominate someone else my good friend...
Im awaiting your response,and selflessness...
Peace all. ps; as a humnan being i may stop talking to you for a while,to save your peace,my peace,and the forums peace... group I really think you should relax my friend... groupENquirer, if u wish to debate, why not with Layth or Zenje or wakas? They r quite knowledgable and well mannered too. So, it will be a good constructive discussion, which will benefit all.
Peace!
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Peace mquran...Why dont you leave the assumption that we are 'fake' to the readers themselves....
Sadly, you guys have much more time than I do and the syntax of the forum's software allows for your posts to be pushed up. This forum has now become the cesspool of non-quranic view points.
Im sure many understand why some are reluctant to discuss certain issues with you...
Ok but others have also criticised your lack of sincerety. They can see very clearly that you're ducking and weaving.
Do you consider yourself the most knowledgable on quran on this forum?
Certainly not.
If not,then you wont mind nominating someone else for me to discuss with,and then i might agree to a moderated debate with them...(not AB,if you dont mind... .)
Come on Enquirer, don't make excuses. If you think im not polite, kindly show me where i've been impolite and tell me how to rephrase. I don't mind dancing to your 'etiquette' tune because i know you won't do it. Direct debate's just not you. Too much risk involved.
If this debate is about the truth,and not about you,then nominate someone else my good friend...
I can ask, but the arguments will be mine. You should know this at the outset.
Im awaiting your response,and selflessness...
Peace all. ps; as a humnan being i may stop talking to you for a while,to save your peace,my peace,and the forums peace... I really think you should relax my friend...Its funny how you take your reality to be text. I'm not stressed out in the least and on the contrary, seeing the rejectors of al-quraan's divinity act today has been really good for my faith.
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Peace Pm.(primeminister... .) I will possibly debate with wakas...I respect his style...
I think a discussion with wakas may bring some benefit to the forum....(no offense to anyone else.. ).) He seems open-minded and methodical...
The key with discussing with anyone is mutual respect...
Thanks for your suggestion PM.
Peace all. -
Peace KGB. I like the lexus my friend...
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Hi Enquirer,
I will possibly debate with wakas...I respect his style...
I think a discussion with wakas may bring some benefit to the forum....(no offense to anyone else.. ).) He seems open-minded and methodical...
The key with discussing with anyone is mutual respect...Exacty. Thats why I suggested those three names becoz U can differ in opinion with them, but yet there will be mutual respect. There wont be any name calling or personal abuses. And Wakas, I understand is quite knowledgable with Quran. So, it would be an interesting and constructive discussion if he accepts it. U should propably ask him.
Thanks for your suggestion PM.
U r welcome. )
Peace!
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Peace all. Ok,if we can iron out a reasonable structure,and some guidelines to this debate,then we may be able to commence...
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Acutally, that's absolutely true. How will this ever be fair? We need to have moderators that are unbiased in their opinion on the issue; or as unbiased as possible. Which we'll never find anyone on this forum who is neutral on the issue of the quran!
I'm probably the closest anyone can get!
There are a few questions I have for both sides. Anyone who wants to answer my questions can answer them. If you do not want to answer them (for some wierd reason) on this thread, please send me a PM. If no one answers them, then that's fine with me too.let's start with the "quran-has-contradictions" side...
- The Quran supposedly contains scientific facts that could not have been known 1400+ years ago. What do you think of those claims?
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Peace all. I nominate phoenix and idol-free as my moderators...Is that ok?
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Phoenix, this is not what it's about. First and foremost, the world of 'science' is has no philosophical certainty (re Kuhn vs Popper). You will never be able to verify 'scientific' findings. Rather, stick to THEIR allegations. They claim its contradictory, interrogate them on whys and wherefores. Question their linguistics (trust me, NONE OF THEM know the language) and you will find them unravelling.
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peace
ok then, why don't we start?
anyone want to list the contradictions??And this debate shouldn't be about winnning and losing, it should be about learning more from and about the Quran. No one will gain anything if this turns into a war of egos.
enquirer,
thanks for the offer. I'd love to be the moderator -
Peace mquran and all...I will repeat...What is meant by divinity?...
that was a silly question enq
hold on I will ask my young daughter......................................
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She said, divine means (from Allah)don't you have a harder question man that my 14 years old daughter can't answer?
cheers
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It's not good enough for me either (because that's not why al-quraan is divine anyway) but seeing your 'will fall back' statement has disclosed your research into the matter. Sad to see you stopped where you stopped.
What makes you assume that i have stopped with anything? I have just seen these debates ad naseum, and they always end up in. The Quran is right because the Quran says so.
Peace
Then don't watse your time and bugger off
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Peace Enquirer
You did never call me any names that is the truth but I avioded you because of past bad experiences.
I can play on all fields (Qur'an - understanding with the help of translations and logic; slow courts) clay court, politics (grass and fast courts). ;D
bro, enq always double fault
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peace all. Ive just sent a pm to wakas...Im waiting for his response....
We should agree on terms.... I request phoenix and idol-free to moderate,and wakas will nominate his own if he wishes to discuss...
Mquran;Do you mind backing off...This discussion will be between me and wakas,if he accepts...
Thank you for your cooperation...If you want to debate,then find someone who wants to debate with you...Please relax for the benefit of the forum...
Phoenix;hold your horses my good friend...Lets wait for wakas' response...
Peace all. ps;ab do you mind backing off as well...And moderators note the language and hostility exhibited in abs and mqurans responses...Lets have some warnings for this please...