Creation Ex-Nihilo?
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I say everything arised from God, energy and from that matter. God cannot be defined in terms as energy.
Yes, everything emanated from "God" - both energy and matter. This is in line with insights of the past sages. I found it troubling that people here have equted "God"=Energy...
But Arnold if there is no such thing as "nothingness" - where did energy and matter emanated into? or what is Big Bang expanding into?
Regards,
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Peace,
We are 'inside' God, how is a long story, and i don't have all the answers yet. But this i know for sure, we are 'in' God, that i believe and is also confirmed in the Quran. So matter, energy all exist from God, in God. So the big-bang expands 'in' God. God has no position or size or anything. It is hard to express it in words. As words are limited. So i call it the All. God shows us a movie, and the movie is real, but at the same time not-real. God is just God, no description possible. Our words can only point towards it, but cannot compass it. Touch it. It is just like feelings, we can describe the effects they have on us, but try to describe love or hate, you can't. You can only say; love feels like...hate makes me... But you can not grasp the feeling.
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Peace arnoldyasin. I think i get what you are saying...Could this relate to the god=reality theory?
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God is God. Stop trying to = God. God cannot be grasped. God is reality, but beyond that. Whatever we say He is, is not a description, it is only pointing a direction to Him. God is truth, God is All. God is God. God is the ultimate conciousness that created us all and every creation. He is All. God is not a thing, or non-thinking. God is alive, knowing, and present. You can talk to Him and He talks to you in different ways. It is sad some people appraoch God as energy or just your concience. God is beyond that. God is All......
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Peace arnoldyasin. Why do you tell me not to think and question when it comes to god?...And why are you emotional when it comes to this topic? You yourself say god=all etc... We all can have different understandings of god which can make sense to us personally,and be equally as valid as other peoples different opinions of god...Think about it please...
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Peace,
It was not meant to lecture you, you asked my opinion and i gave it to you, that's all. And my opinion is, God is ungraspable and limitless, infinite. And i'm not emotional about this, not at all. I think you misunderstood me. And of course anybody must follow their own ideas on this, is all you can do, everybody is on its own path of understanding and cannot be judged to have a certain understanding as they are meant to be now on that level of understanding. So i never judge people on their ideas, at least i try my best not to. And that is say God is All, is because All is ungraspable. You cannot count the All, encompass it. It is only a direction we point to. It never was meant to lecture you dear brother. It was meant as an answer to your question. Sorry if you got the wrong idea.....
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Peace arnoldyasin. I apologise for possibly misunderstanding you. I just think that our ideas on this matter are possibly related,or very close... The totality of reality also is infinite,cannot be grasped totally,encompassed,counted,fully defined etc...That is what i was saying...Maybe my use of = is a bit unusual...anyway sometimes the typing doesnt fully explain what we are trying to convey...And sometimes we use different words/concepts to explain the same thing...
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Peace all,
Avecenna (Ibn Sina) breaks it down quite thoroughly. Arnoldyasin, would you agree with his ideas? I see alot of similarities in both your thoughts in the existence of God and creation out of the One. Thoroughly enjoyed your posts by the way. Gazak Allah kheirPeace
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arnold
you're going to be my science guru...
question lote was differentiating energy and matter
is this obligatory ?
i have read somewhere - if i still get it right, that matter is also constituted of energy - no that's not it, sorry
Rather there is only one kind of matter "matter", the different appearances that we have in "real" (or rather apparent life) are du to different forces of vibration (energy)peace lk
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Peace,
Soul, i'm busy reading his stuff, so i have to answer your question later. But mine is based on Quran, philosophy and Quantum physics.
Elke, Yes, matter is energy. Your body consists organs, your organs are build up out of cells, the cells are build up out of cell-organs, the cell-organs are build up out of larger carbon-based molecules, those molecules consist out of atoms, atoms consist out of electrons, protons and neutrons, these are build up out of smaller bircks called quarks, quarks are build up out of smaller waves, this goes on and on, till you reach infinity. This infinity level we call the Zero-point field or Quantum field. So all matter are build up out of the same material, but are constructed in different ways. And this field encompasses the whole creation, there are no empty spots in the field, vacumm doesn't exist. This energy field is one big bubble. There is no time in the field as time is related to movement of particles, but particles are not present on this level. All is one homogenous field. We are like ice-cubes in a lake. We all are consistent of the same material. So all is connected as all matter is structered on the same source.
Read this article for a small introduction
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5417.0
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Peace, Arnold all
I agree with Descartes,Kant,and Ghazial.Metaphysics is a waste of time.Man will never find the truth using it.I used to love philosopy, but after reading Criteqe of Pure Reason by Kant, Meditations by Rene Descartes, and Tahafut ul Falsifa by Abu Hamid Ghazial I consider it useless.Also does not the big bang validate the creation from nothing idea.Because once in a work on the big bang I read the words "the universe emerge out of nothing".Another work on the big bang whos name no longer appears in my mind said "the universe one can say came out of nothing".Also about Islamic falsafa Muslim philosophers rejected creation and belived the universe was eternal see Ibn Rusd's Tahafut ul Tahafut a answer to Tahafut ul Falsifa.Your veiws Arnold are fasinating but are you not trying to grasp the "ungraspeble".
Lareb