Fighting in the cause of God

unknownuser

I consider Aidid to be an excellent student of al-quraan and it was he who pushed the envelop some years ago.

'Simple' sent me a copy of his book. From what I have read so far it is very good.

However, this racist interpretations of his really diminished his credibility.

i disagree....

On that last paragraph on the introduction of the book he says;
"Most importantly I do not wish to cause offence to any reader and i would be grateful if this aspect of my delivery were regarded as deriving purely from the strength of my conviction"

peace,
sugar

arnoldyasin

why? confused

peace,
sugar

kidding girl...

My view is that there are several layers of fighting.

Self-defense. This psychical fighting and only is allowed as selfdefense, but also as take out enemies of freedom before they outtake you, but only when you're a 100% sure they're threat.

2.fighting for the message of the Quran to be spread and accepted. So this includes an indeep study of the message, and how it is connected with todays life. And then talk with people about the message. So to make the message avaible as well approachable. So it is also a fight for knowledge and truth before you can spread the message, first step 1 before you can move on to step 2 (spreading the message)

3.fighting against yourself. The fight against parts of your Self that holds you back and keep you in stagnation. So you have to learn and understand yourself, and learn how to use your talents and abbilities to the best. Fight for your growth.

Peace

unknownuser

Thanks Arnold )

Sorry Layth!

It does not bother me what you have said (I have been called worse)...And I am surely no angel

What did bother me was the way you allowed your negative feelings towards arab speaking people to quote Aidid who altered God`s words to say what God never said.

yea i apologize again...

no hard feelings, eh? -*

peace,
sugar

mquran

Sugar 'Simple' sent me a copy of his book. From what I have read so far it is very good.

It is a good book and if you knew Aidid, you'd know he's the kind of guy who deserves to be the one who discovered (perhaps 'rediscovered&#039 this. The kind of guy who doesn't give a toss what anyone thinks of his beliefs, no awe for anyone except God.

disagree....

On that last paragraph on the introduction of the book he says;
"Most importantly I do not wish to cause offence to any reader and i would be grateful if this aspect of my delivery were regarded as deriving purely from the strength of my conviction

What I meant was, he lost a lot of potential support due to his racist views. I'm sure he is as sincere as he claims.

Layth

no hard feelings, eh?

voodoo

Just kidding...

peace

phoenix1

new smileys!! angel peace voodoo hypno muscle handshake

unknownuser

i seek refuge against Every Arragont one who does not believe in the Day of Reckoning
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salam

Brother Layth

In your view what do you believe is the meaning of 'who oppose God and his messenger'?

Thanks

God Bless

unknownuser

Sugarbeing a controversial multiple meaning scripture that leads to so much problems in it's interpretation is NOT COOL.

Al-quraan has a clear-cut method for its reader to acquire the right meaning. Controversy comes when we abandon this method in favour of methods we create ourselves. Wrongful interpretations always create contradictions.

I quoted from the Quran to justify my hostility towards the Arabs

No, you quoted Aidid's interpretation of an ayat. An interpretation he's unable to defend. I've personally forwarded this to him when I was part of the editorial team for the first edition of Arab Conspiracies.

come off it! That is the best translation i have ever seen of that verse

He even explained why he translated it like that in his book.

Then can YOU explain why, when al-quraan speaks of its language and the people who first recieves it, it uses a whole other word (Aarab instead of al-a'raabu). Can you explain why the 'al' is in 'al-a'raabu' when 'al' in Arabic cannot refer to a proper name? We need you to explain because Aidid cannot.

okay you win...
Sorry Layth! group

but the Quran is still not cool it never has been and never will be.

peace,
sugar

About the most shocking thing i have seen/heard in a while (and i am used to shocks)
wow, all i can say is wow....someone's already got the future figured out

Who will win the world series in 2009? The superbowl in 2020?

Layth

Peace,

In your view what do you believe is the meaning of 'who oppose God and his messenger'?

Opposing God and His messenger is simply what it says..opposition... (that means rejecting and/or standing in the way and/or obstructing of the teachings conveyed by God).

Such people will be dealt with in the Hereafter and they are not to be befriended by those who believe in God.

KGB

Peace to All Believers

Nothing come as shock to me. I have heard so much from these so called peaceful muslims that it become a routine to listen God laws are cruel and outdated Homosexuality is cool. Qur'an is corrupted document. They are very dangerous people must be dealt strongly.

phoenix1

peace KGB,

I think you have misunderstood "their" position. People are not arguing that God is cruel and outdated, but the Quran cannot be from God because some things in it do not stand true today. It's pretty simple.
We cannot have a good discussion if we don't make an effort to understand other's views (and that goes for both sides.)

KGB

I clearly understand their motives and all their BS and you belong to the same group. Why don't you go and post a reply to CavemanDoctor if you are so intelligent to claim that Qur'an is not the words of Allah (SWT).

phoenix1

peace

I already did reply to those posts you are talking about. And I agree with Caveman Doctor.

phoenix1

KGB,Why don't you answer my questions?

peace

unknownuser

ik75243 i'm not sure what you mean from what you have just said confused please elaborate....

Peace to All Believers

Nothing come as shock to me. I have heard so much from these so called peaceful muslims that it become a routine to listen God laws are cruel and outdated Homosexuality is cool. Qur'an is corrupted document. They are very dangerous people must be dealt strongly.

confused

i am assuming you are pointing your finger at me ?

just because i said that quran is not cool that does not make me like that, no religion or scripture in the world is cool but i don't claim they are cruel or outdated?

Cool is often defined as fashionable and attractive at the time I don't think any scripture has ever fit that category....unless you can prove me wrong?

They are very dangerous people must be dealt strongly.

And what are you gonna do about it? I'll be interested in what you have in mind....

peace,
sugar

mquran

SugarCool is often defined as fashionable and attractive at the time I don't think any scripture has ever fit that category....unless you can prove me wrong?

Oh ok, so that's what you mean by 'cool'. I meant 'cool' as 'great, fantastic, superb'.

unknownuser

well if someone mentions the word cool that's the only definition that comes to my mind...

peace,
sugar

unknownuser

They are very dangerous people must be dealt strongly.

KBG you still have not said how you are gonna deal with them. Am i right to assume that what you wrote then was a cowardly comment and that you would never dream of saying it to anyone you meet, but just because your in front of a computer it's OK to say it?

peace,
sugar