Did I Commit Shirk???
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Peace soul2squeeze,
Just because you told someone you are a Christian does not make you a mushrik. Someone can be a Christian and still have nothing to fear as per the following verses
262 Surely those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Christians, and the Sabiens; any one of them who believes in God and the Last Day, and does good work, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.
569 "Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabiens, and the Christians; whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works, then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve."
Someone could be a Christian and believe in Allah, and the last day, and do good deeds and will be rewarded by Allah. The following verse actually makes a distinction between the mushrikeen and the Christians, thereby implying that the TRUE CHRISTIANS (those who follow the the true original revelations sent to Jesus and the true original teachings of Jesus) are not mushrikeen, because the word Christians is used separate from those who "ashrakoo"
2217 Those who believe, and the Jews, and the Sabiens, and the Christian, and the Majoos, and those who have set up partners; God will separate between them on the Day of Resurrection. For God is witness over all things.
When people ask me, I tell them that I am a submitter to The God only, The God of Abraham, The God of Moses, The God of Jesus, The God of Muhammad, it is the same God. I tell them that if following the true teachings of Jesus is Christianity then I am a Christian, and if following the true teachings of Moses is Judaism, then I am a Jew; or that my religion is the religion of Abraham, the religion of Moses, the religion of Jesus, the religion of Muhammad, because they all had the same religion and they all followed the same God only and the same deen/obligation/way of life/system and thus they were all submitters (muslims with a small m).
What one will be accountable for is what is in one's heart, and not what one's so called title is, and only Allah knows what is in one's heart, and only Allah can be the true judge.
Peace,
Tanveer
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"muslim" is not an english word, it is an arabic one. So if you speak english at your work place, why don't you translate "muslim" to english?
It is better to convey the meanings of the words we use in the language we use, if not it will become meaningless labels.
well said, someone
peace
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Peace Tanveer,
Just because you told someone you are a Christian does not make you a mushrik. Someone can be a Christian and still have nothing to fear as per the following verses
Actually, identifying onesself with Christianity makes one a
Kafiirnot aMushrik.The verses you have quoted have no
Christianin them...They speak of theNassarawhich isNazarinesin the closest translation I can see...Christianity is a pagan religion which identifies Jesus as the son of God as well as being hismelf God as well as the concept of the trinity.Peace Soul,
I sense Someone and Layth believe I did commit a sin. (Yes/no?) How can I rectify this situation? Do you think it would be considered shirk which can never be fixed?
As I mentioned, you are better aware of your situation to be the judge...In all cases, as long as you have realized the error and have made amends, then you should have nothing to worry about.
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Salam Soul2squeeze, all,
I understand your situation and may God the All-Mighty strentghen your fait and protect you. But please allow me to make few comments and it is not with the intention to hurt however I am ready for any shooting on this forum-) I just want to share my understanding of this issue in the light of the Quran.
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Out of fear of further persecution and possibly losing the position I just received I replied Christian. His tone and demeanor was so much warmer and softer to me after that........At the same time, the consequences of my proclaiming that I'm Muslim may have been grave with respect to my job. .......
The fear to lose a job or an income makes a lot of people willing to compromise on their basic rights and to the extent of denying their true faith. This is the result of lack of faith in the All-Mighty that HE is indeed the ONLY AND ULTIMATE BESTOWER and not the company for whom we may work, or the government or the private business we may have, see verses 3037, 3436, 3952, 4212, 1326, 1730, 2962 and many many other verses. There is also a lot of wisdom in the story of Qarun and the reaction of people who were tempted to think that God wasn't the bestower in 2882. Also, we often forget that "ina ma3a al-3ussri yussra" (with difficulty ALWAYS comes ease) (945 and 946) and that God the All-Mighty will make our task easy if we really mean we put trust in HIM when facing a dilemma (188.
My point is if you feel persecuted, ask God the All-Mighty to help you find another job and move to another place, this is the wisdom in Quran in verses 497. Quran also provides you with some guidance as to how you should be talking to the christians or people of the book in general in verses 3.64 and 2946.
I know it may be difficult to apply verse 4133 but God the All-Mighty always protect the true believers and make it easy on them when they put trust in HIM and HIM only.
One way to erase what you may think was an unappropriate reaction from your part is to do good because in Quran, we are told "ina al hassanat yuth'hib'na al-saye2att) (literally something like "the good deeds get rid of or erase the bad deeds), so give some charity or offer help to someone in need of it or anything else that would make you think will please the All-Mighty. May God the All-Mighty guide us and forgive us. HE knows best.
Peae. Myr. -
Peace be upon you,
While it may matter little what everyone else believes about your dilemma it is clear that you are an articulate and intelligent person. You might have considered answering in a way which did not compromise your inner peace of mind.
In the same situation I would reply something like -
"I believe in God, but reject organised religions and dogmatic belief systems."
When faced with an answer like that, the questioner must decide whether to explore any further, at which time you can decide whether to say more or say that it would take some time to explain and another time might be more suitable.
I would leave what is done in the past since you have considered it much already. My impression is that your belief wasn't compromised by the exchange, and remains intact so the verse given to you above has little relevance to your situation.
Learn from the experience and answer differently if it comes up again.
Regards.
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Salam soul2squeeze,
No, you didn't commit shirk. Read this verse
16106 Whoever rejects God after having believed; except for one who is forced while his heart is still content with belief; and has opened his chest to rejection, then they will have a wrath from God and they will have a great retribution.
You have been forced to disbelieve yet your heart is content with belief.
God looks at the heart.
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salam alaykum
i myslef have been in many situations where people are talking about the bad things"muslims" do really sunnis and shias etc i dont want to group myself with them....
i although am white if i dont wear a allah necklace or somehting no one knows im muslim and assumes im christian they usually never ask since im white american and dont wear hijab i can not imagine being in the brothers istuation since im not arab
sometimes im directly asked if im christian and i dont say im christian sometimes its a rough situation to explain your beleifs versus sunni shia etc so sometimes its impler to say i was raised christian but i dont go to church anymore
which is true but not a clear lie but not a clear explanation
other times it is safer to say im a monotheist it is much easier for americans since if your not looking arab popele assume things
i too have felt the discrimination of being a muslim wearing a hijab and upon takin the hijab the discrimination has faded
sometimes muslims ask are oyu muslim i say yes
then they start with the questions
are you sunni ahia
i say neither then what r u they say
i say muslimthey like how do oyu pray
im like why
they still wanna group you
it is human nature
other times i do tell people
im muslim but i dont follow the hadith books of culture that the arabs follow which has nothing to do with religion
to me it depends on the situation
there is a test you never know brother maybe god was testing you to say your faith and maybe if you said it they would have discirminated afainst you and would have lost oyur job but allahu ellem you never know you could sue them and become rich off there ignorance maybe the lawsuit would have been gods reward for passin the test
so allahu ellem
you never know
amanda
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Peace soul2squeeze
i understand you were in a tough situation and if there really was a thread on your career just because of you being part of a specific group imo the sin is on the other side
also, quran states that if you sincerely repent and reform, god will forgive you - even it it might have been considered shirk in the first place
i used to live this kind of situation all through university, but no career at stake, just people thinking i was deranged )
on my first job in europe i had no problem either, but i also found it best not to let someone corner and label me too easily - if things came up in a conversation (quite often as i prayed five times a day then) i usually said that i considered myself a muslim. Then the usual question was - so why are you not veiled ... and so on -
these discussions gave me the chance more than once to present quran differently but this worked only on the non-sunnis....
elke
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Peace to all of you
Thank you all so much for your advice and suggestions and the stories relayed to me made me feel that I'm not alone. I appreciate all your posts. After reading everyone's ideas and upon deep introspection I came to the conclusion I really didn't commit shirk. It would have been better had I replied differently, but this is only a mistake I can learn from. So thank God for the great learning experience.
I believe while I have been tested one way, we're all constantly tested on our faith in God on a daily basis. I hope we all stay humble with that thought and are ever-constant in our struggle to be stronger Muslims to God alone and lead a more harmonious life with our fellow brothers and sisters of the human race.
Keep the posts coming if anyone wants to add anything to the discussion, I find them all quite insightful )
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Peace Tanveer,
Just because you told someone you are a Christian does not make you a mushrik. Someone can be a Christian and still have nothing to fear as per the following verses
Actually, identifying onesself with Christianity makes one a
Kafiirnot aMushrik.The verses you have quoted have no
Christianin them...They speak of theNassarawhich isNazarinesin the closest translation I can see...Christianity is a pagan religion which identifies Jesus as the son of God as well as being hismelf God as well as the concept of the trinity.Peace Soul,
I sense Someone and Layth believe I did commit a sin. (Yes/no?) How can I rectify this situation? Do you think it would be considered shirk which can never be fixed?
As I mentioned, you are better aware of your situation to be the judge...In all cases, as long as you have realized the error and have made amends, then you should have nothing to worry about.
Love an answer - as i have heard this befo
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Salaams layth,
Peace Tanveer,
Just because you told someone you are a Christian does not make you a mushrik. Someone can be a Christian and still have nothing to fear as per the following verses
Actually, identifying onesself with Christianity makes one a
Kafiirnot aMushrik.The verses you have quoted have no
Christianin them...They speak of theNassarawhich isNazarinesin the closest translation I can see...Christianity is a pagan religion which identifies Jesus as the son of God as well as being hismelf God as well as the concept of the trinity.Peace Soul,
I sense Someone and Layth believe I did commit a sin. (Yes/no?) How can I rectify this situation? Do you think it would be considered shirk which can never be fixed?
As I mentioned, you are better aware of your situation to be the judge...In all cases, as long as you have realized the error and have made amends, then you should have nothing to worry about.
Is it just my misunderstanding or do these verses talk about christians.
Falamma ahassa AAeesaminhumu alkufra qala man ansaree ila Allahiqala alhawariyyoona nahnu ansaruAllahi amanna biAllahi waishhadbi-anna muslimoona
When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples "We are Allah's helpers We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
Waqalati alyahoodu AAuzayrun ibnu Allahiwaqalati alnnasara almaseehuibnu Allahi thalika qawluhum bi-afwahihim yudahi-oonaqawla allatheena kafaroo min qablu qatalahumu Allahuanna yu/fakoona
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them how they are deluded away from the Truth!
God Bless.
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Salaams ,
the best replies-i think.
"muslim" is not an english word, it is an arabic one. So if you speak english at your work place, why don't you translate "muslim" to english?
It is better to convey the meanings of the words we use in the language we use, if not it will become meaningless labels.
The word is a wrong translation and wrong conception of Quranic meaning of AMANOO (attainment of FAITH).
SHIRK is an act of HEART and not a mere sound coming out of our lips. LIP SERVICE does not suffice either way. SHIRK and FAITH in ONENESS is a motion within SOUL."I believe in God, but reject organised religions and dogmatic belief systems."
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Peace be upon you,
Good responses, I would like to give my input.
First, I would like to address the verse being given to support your response that mentions "being forced". You were not forced at all, you were afraid. And many of us have experienced similar tests of fear, and most of us have failed. Not only is it failing to lie and say you are a Christian, which subconsiously adds a point to the "christian sect crusade", but it is also a failure to say "I am a MUSLIM, what's it to you!!??" Which is the underlying attitude of one responder. As was fantastically stated by one responder, we MUST translate that word "muslim" into English, if that is the language we are speaking.
My response would have been, "neither, I am a peaceful follower of God". One could add to that as they see fit or leave it as simple as that, but this is the truth. We do not want to feed christaianity, or the the ORGANIZED RELIGION of ISLAM", we only promote peacefulness and submission to the God's Law.
But with all that said, its over and done with and your "weight" about it shows that your heart is in the right direction. So just take this SCENARIO into your meditations and see yourself responding in with the correct answer (whatever you reason that to be), over and over and over again, while remaining at peace, not tense(afraid), until it becomes automatic habit.
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Peace S2S,
Peace to all of you
Thank you all so much for your advice and suggestions and the stories relayed to me made me feel that I'm not alone. I appreciate all your posts. After reading everyone's ideas and upon deep introspection I came to the conclusion I really didn't commit shirk. It would have been better had I replied differently, but this is only a mistake I can learn from. So thank God for the great learning experience.
I believe while I have been tested one way, we're all constantly tested on our faith in God on a daily basis. I hope we all stay humble with that thought and are ever-constant in our struggle to be stronger Muslims to God alone and lead a more harmonious life with our fellow brothers and sisters of the human race.
Keep the posts coming if anyone wants to add anything to the discussion, I find them all quite insightful
PeaceThat is cool bravo
We are only humans. And mistakes and problems have a good side to them too they take us to a higher level of thinking.
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Peace all;
idol, guess you meant me about saying im a muslim... lol, you are right
at that time i still liked to shock people a little in order to make their images shudder - and im not yet totally over it
you are absolutely right, the concept of muslim should be translated in our respective languages
elke
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Peace Simple,
Is it just my misunderstanding or do these verses talk about christians.
Falamma ahassa AAeesaminhumu alkufra qala man ansaree ila Allahiqala alhawariyyoona nahnu ansaruAllahi amanna biAllahi waishhadbi-anna muslimoona
When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples "We are Allah's helpers We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
Waqalati alyahoodu AAuzayrun ibnu Allahiwaqalati alnnasara almaseehuibnu Allahi thalika qawluhum bi-afwahihim yudahi-oonaqawla allatheena kafaroo min qablu qatalahumu Allahuanna yu/fakoona
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them how they are deluded away from the Truth!
The cult of
Christianitythat is in existence today recognizes as its principle tenants the following doctorine- Jesus is God
- God is a trinity
- Jesus is the son of God
This doctornine has been prettymuch in-place since about 300 years after Christ when it was established in the Nicene confernece.
The Scripture tells us that either of the the first two of these tenants makes the person stating them to be a Kafir/Rejecter, while the last tenant is an extreme in blasphemey
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Rejecters indeed are those who have said
God is the Messiah son of Mary!And the Messiah saidO Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever sets-up partners with God, then God will forbid Paradise for him, and his destiny will be the Fire; and the wicked will have no supporters. -
Rejecters indeed are those who have said
God is a trinity!There is no god but One god. If they do not cease from what they are saying, then those who reject from among them will be afflicted with a painful retribution. -
And they said the Almighty has taken a son!
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You have come with a gross blasphemy.
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The heavens are about to shatter from it, and the Earth crack open, and the mountains fall and crumble.
Based on the above, it is quite clear to state that
christianity(which is based on tenants of blasphemy and rejection) has no relation whatsoever with the pure message of God Aone that Jesus delivered and after which his decsiples were known asNassara(Nazzarenes, orthose who support)...Christianity is a sect of the Nassara just like Sunnism or Shiasm is a sect of Islam/Submission.
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Peace all
I'd like to know what the general stance is on a situation I've recently encountered. Since this forum is fairly anonymous and generally in agreement with the beliefs I hold, i feel safe and confident that I'd get some good advice and feedback.There has been an issue that's weighed extremely heavily on my heart these past few days.
I feel discriminated against at my work place because I am of Middle Eastern descent and Muslim. When colleagues and upper-level management realize my ethnicity and my knowledge of Arabic, they begin to automatically talk about world politics and terrorism. Then they immediately make a link to Islam, which is understandable coming from people who are ignorant of real Islam. They only see the mainstream corrupted kind which has led to an extreme group of mofsidun (mischief makers). Many times I have gotten into casual conversations which led down a road of discrimination and even persecution.
I am humble in nature and would rather choose the road of peaceful relations between myself and others, rather than conflict, rudeness and clashes - especially when speaking to people who know nothing about what they claim to know.
What has weighed heavily on my heart was my reaction a few days ago. Many in upper-level management and others have been targeting me many times in passing comments linking my heritage to terrorism. Then I was questioned whether I was Muslim or Christian by one person. Out of fear of further persecution and possibly losing the position I just received I replied Christian. His tone and demeanor was so much warmer and softer to me after that. But from that moment, I feel horrible that I did that. I don't believe in Christianity so I feel that its my beliefs that would constitute shirk, not if I just say I'm Christian to protect myself. But at the same time something inside me is worried that I committed the greatest sin of all! One that will never be forgiven...
I've never felt so discriminated against and never felt so weak before. In the past, I've proudly proclaimed my identity to whoever wants or doesn't want to know because I consider myself good PR for my faith and my ethnicity. This time I felt so intimidated, that my pride diminished... especially since these people have no idea what they're talking about half the time and have created a really uncomfortable and hostile environment for me.
I know the least I've done was deny this man the opportunity to understand from me what Islam is really about. Many ingorant people in the West imagine young Muslim women to be the weakest and have the least freedoms and rights. They are covered from head to toe as dictated by men, and speak when spoken to - and only when it is in agreement with her father, husband, brother would her opinion be respected. I could have been a positive example for him and I think I've forever ruined that chance, at least with him. This is the least of what I've done.
At the same time, the consequences of my proclaiming that I'm Muslim may have been grave with respect to my job. Considering I do not associate myself with the mainstream "muslims" who follow blind dogma, I would be grouping myself in a wrong category anyway.
I don't know ... I'm very confused and worried. I feel extremely guilty and scared.
I would love to hear others' views on my predicament... if I really did commit a sin, if so to what extent. Is there any way to fix my mistake, specifically with God and secondly with my colleagues. Did I really commit shirk when I replied that I'm Christian? This is a serious matter to me so I'd appreciate it if people choose their words carefully before posting. I haven't been sleeping for days over this.
Thanks in advance to all who'll help!
PeaceIf you are ever in fear of having done wrong, and even if you are not in fear of having done wrong in any case, always ask for forgiveness of Allah regularly at anything at all and about everything whatsoever.
If someone asks me if I am a Christian, I say of course! Why? There is no better or bigger Christian than me, I take the dominant stance, and I put them all under my curved Islamic slippers thereby.
You are not a snake or an old dragon like me perhaps, but you should know what you are saying when you say it, and then you will be less afraid.
What they are doing at your workplace is illegal generally, and you should see if you can sue them for discrimination and destroy them by having ample evidence of this extreme prejudice which is impeding your ability to work at peace.
You are a Christian, this is no concern, you did not say "I worship Jesus Christ as God incarnate", let them assume what they want, who is a better follower of Christ (meaning Anointed, as in selected to be the Prophet), than you among them?
To the Satanists, I say I am a Satanist (even to other people too), and I know what I am saying, and I can explain it and justify it, I don't mean "I worship Iblis or thing that Iblis is wise).
Always be quick and agile in your mind if possible, so when you say a thing you know how you mean it and can explain it.
See if you can get out of that work environment, the world is spacious (the Qur'an says this in response to people who say "we were oppressed in the land", so seek elsewhere out of the company of the evildoers who are acting so harshly towards you.
May Allah destroy them utterly (the Qur'an itself pronounces the curse "Allah destroy them!".
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Chill out you don't mean it
