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    Pisces69
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    Arnold
    What if I say that a major social issue "rich poor divide" or "hoarding of wealth by rich and not spending it on poor" is addressed in the primary message of Quran?

    What are your thoughts?

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      arnoldyasin
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      Yes, but that are detaisls. Ok, when you say primary, i focus on 2 things in the Quran. What i see here is that you want more then 2 things. Let's make alist of 10 primary things.

      1.God is One and the only authority.

      2.Be righteous and good to another.

      3.Strive for equality between mankind, that includes making man and woman equal, no differences between colours or race.

      4.No rich and poor, only wealthy and more wealthy, make sure nobody is below standards means.

      5.Behaviour is above colour, race, wealth, background family, faith. Behaviour can be the only judge.

      6.Make sure there is no oppression on earth.

      7.Strive for betterment on all fields, science, social issues, education, communication between different people, welfare, and so on.

      Do you mean something like this? This is only a starting list, if somebody can make a better order, please do..

      Peace

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        Pisces69
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        Arnold
        Thanks for sharing this list.

        Do you agree that Quran was revealed in stages over a long period of time? (around 23 years)

        If you would agree then the earliest revealations can tell us what is the primary message of Quran.

        Whats your opinion?

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          arnoldyasin
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          Peace,

          Those stories of the order of revelation are mostly concocted stories. We don't know the order i believe. In the Quran itself it is mentiones that was revealed in stages. But if you do want to use those stories written down 200 years after the revelation, then the first suras were all on the Oneness of God.

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            Pisces69
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            Peace,

            Those stories of the order of revelation are mostly concocted stories. We don't know the order i believe. In the Quran itself it is mentiones that was revealed in stages. But if you do want to use those stories written down 200 years after the revelation, then the first suras were all on the Oneness of God.

            I respect your opinion

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              wildguest1956
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              1.God is One and the only authority.

              I think that one cannot really understand the meaning of the unicity of god unless one understqnd what is actually a god

              The Arabic word 'illah' is very meaningful. Its root meanings imply power, command, respect and obedience. It is used in the Quran in various contexts. In verse (7123) it refers to pagans' deities. In verse (2543) it refers to human desires. And, in verse (2629) it refers to the rule of Pharaoh. Although, these look different contexts but the root meaning of 'illah' is implied to all in various shades. Whether these are deities or human desires or human beings themselves, when they act as an 'illah', they rule hearts and minds of people and win their allegiance.

              The creed 'la illaha illalah' is the basis of 'Al-Deen'. Its correct understanding is very important because it determines the status of 'Al-Deen'in the society. If it is understood; "There is no god worthy of worship but God alone" then 'Al-Deen' fell down to a level as low as of a religion. Firstly, the concept of worship is related to religion alone. And secondly, comparing gods with God is similar to comparing a religion with a religion. On the contrary, if it is understood; "There is no ruler worthy of obedience and respect but God alone" then 'al-Deen' ascend to the level of a powerful system because now the objective is not worship but obedience of law and the comparison is not between God and deities but the rulers.
              http//www.toluislam.com/index.pl/qdl?wid=104&func=viewSubmission&sid=727

              Once it has been understood, your second point appears as an immediate consequence

              2.Be righteous and good to another.

              see also http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5261.0

              Peace

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                unknownuser
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                Peace be upon you all,

                The PRIMARY message is to cultivate PEACE. That is why our greeting is "PEACE be upon you", and that is why those who cultivate peace are DESCRIBED as peaceful (muslim), and that is why the greeting of Paradise, the Garden, is "Peace,Peace".

                When you are at peace, happiness flows, and that is what we all want. This whole message is about behavior shaping, changing our conditioned responses to PEACE, instead of anger, fear, hatred, etc. The emotion that flows from Peace and happiness is LOVE (giving seeking nothing in return, because if all is one, then whatever you give you recieve).

                In conclusion, PEACE is the Primary Message.

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                  agentxxx
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                  peace idolfree1,

                  The PRIMARY message is to cultivate PEACE. That is why our greeting is "PEACE be upon you", and that is why those who cultivate peace are DESCRIBED as peaceful (muslim), and that is why the greeting of Paradise, the Garden, is "Peace,Peace".

                  When you are at peace, happiness flows, and that is what we all want. This whole message is about behavior shaping, changing our conditioned responses to PEACE, instead of anger, fear, hatred, etc. The emotion that flows from Peace and happiness is LOVE (giving seeking nothing in return, because if all is one, then whatever you give you recieve).

                  In conclusion, PEACE is the Primary Message.

                  i agree with you brother,

                  1. And Allah invites to the ABODE OF PEACE AND GUIDES whom He pleases into the right path.

                  peace.

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                    Pisces69
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                    What is your opinion about this article
                    http//www.clearvisionpk.com/PrimaryMessage.html

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                      andy
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                      Salaam all,

                      How about these?

                      "Say, 'Come let me tell you what your Lord has prohibited for you

                      You shall not set up idols besides Him.
                      You shall honor your parents.
                      You shall not kill your children from fear of poverty-We provide for you and for them.
                      You shall not come near sins, obvious or hidden.
                      You shall not kill-GOD has made life sacred-except in the course of justice.

                      These are His commandments to you, that you may understand." (6/151)

                      You shall not touch the orphans' money except in the most righteous manner, until they reach maturity.
                      You shall give full weight and full measure when you trade, equitably. We do not burden any soul beyond its means.
                      You shall be absolutely just when you bear witness, even against your relatives.
                      You shall fulfill your covenant with GOD.

                      These are His commandments to you, that you may take heed." (6/152)

                      "This is MY PATH - A STRAIGHT ONE. You shall follow it, and do not follow any other paths, lest they divert you from His path.

                      These are His commandments to you, that you may be righteous." (6/153)

                      Also these from previous scriptures (I have added marks to denote the parallel commandments in quran)

                      DEUT 56 I am Jehovah thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
                      DEUT 57 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
                      DEUT 58 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth
                      DEUT 59 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
                      DEUT 510 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
                      DEUT 511 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
                      DEUT 512 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
                      DEUT 513 Six days thou shalt labor, and do all thy work
                      DEUT 514 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
                      DEUT 515 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
                      DEUT 516 Honor thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
                      DEUT 517 Thou shalt not kill.
                      DEUT 518 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
                      DEUT 519 Neither shalt thou steal.
                      DEUT 520 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor.
                      DEUT 521 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbor's.
                      DEUT 522 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

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                        Pisces69
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                        Andy
                        Thanks for your beautiful post. It covers our basic values. These values are our bond. I believe if people in a community adopt these values they will propser.

                        I often come accross people who want to learn about Islam both when I am Pakistan or outside. Some sincerely wish to improve themselves, some just want to know more, some want to participate in community. All these people are from different ethnic, cultural, class and oftern sectarian backgrounds. Because of their diversity I feel the need of MINIMUM COMMON set of values which are not too complicated, which are in conformance with the scripture and which promote humanitarian values. This prompted a research and we came up with three basic concepts or principles

                        Belief in the Beneficent and Merciful God (Allah)
                        Belief in return to God
                        The response of Man Gratitude (shukr) , Generosity & Moral purification (tazzaka), Cooperation in Goodness

                        This works. I believe this the COMMON MINIMUM which can shared by people of all cultures. This way we can build bridges of faith and goodness towards fellow human being.
                        In my opinion (and my research suggests), this is the PRIMARY MESSAGE OF QURAN

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                          Tay
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                          Peace Pisces,

                          It seems to me like everyone is right.

                          This prompted a research and we came up with three basic concepts or principles
                          Belief in the Beneficent and Merciful God (Allah)
                          Belief in return to God
                          The response of Man Gratitude (shukr) , Generosity & Moral purification (tazzaka), Cooperation in Goodness

                          Your research is dead-on with 569...

                          "Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabiens, and the Nazarenes; whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works, then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve."

                          And of course, these beliefs and behaviors lead directly to "peace" peace

                          Peace,
                          Tay

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                            unknownuser
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                            PEACE be upon you all,

                            Until we cultivate the ability to be at peace in the face of adversity, we will fail to correct our behaviors in order to carry out the so called "commandments". We all do thinks told ourselves we would not, but when the EMOTIONS led us astray, we fell from the garden, and it is only by CHANGING WHAT IS IN YOUR NAFS(SPIRIT) FIRST, does then the God change our condition.

                            We have to cultivate the PEACE first, then the blessings come. Just like many people wait for certain things to happen in life, certain material objects to come for them to say "I am happy/successful", but the proper formula is that you must be happy first, and that energy brings success.

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