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    Pisces69
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    Salam Alikum
    In Quran there are many terms used for people who do good. Two of them are interesting

    Muhsin & Saleh. In very simple words Mushin is one who does good and Saleh also has a similar meaning. But there must be a subtle difference.

    Can someone help?

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      Salaamun alaikum,

      Sadly, the reference website is down but I will give what I can off the top of my head

      1. Salih Its a condition where reconcilement takes place leading to a positive condition. Zakariya's wife became 'aslaha' was able to get pregnant, for example.

      2. Husn A state of good as defined by the various asmaaul HUSNA. Allah's attributes is used to explain a state of beauty and balance and proportion.

      that's all i have at this time, sorry.

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        mquran
        In simple words can we say
        "Saleh" means "reformist"? thats makes "Salehat" as "reformation"?
        and Muhsim is a "doer of Good"?
        Thanks

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          Pisces, sorry but i don't prefer to use 'reformation' because it implies a different form in normative use. Muhsin as 'doer of good' is fine but too vague for me. I'm looking to bring quranic words into my own use, not to translate them. No offense to you.

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            Pisces69
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            I'm looking to bring quranic words into my own use, not to translate them.

            This is very important point you brought up. i.e. should we use the original Arabic word and highlight its meaning or try to use a simple English translation.

            Both have their merits and drawbacks. The latter is an easier option but may result into problems as highlighted by yourself. I like the fomer approach just like you but often run into remarks like "this is an alien word".

            To resolve this problem we use an approach like this Ihsaan( Goodness)
            and then go on explaining it. Thats the reason I was trying to find a simple equivalent to Saleh or Islah (------)

            Some others one word translations
            Meezan (Balance)
            Qist (Justice & fairness)
            Adl (Justice & fairness)
            Ihsan( Goodness)
            Jihad (Struggle for just social order) (this one needs a qualifier)
            Noor (Light of Guidance) (this one needs qualifier too since it is a allegorical)
            Sabr (Patience & steadfastness)
            Taqwa (God consciousness)
            Tazakka (Moral Purification)

            I think such a transalation is necessary for the lay man to understand the a) the meaning b) significance c) the relationship between these themes

            In my opinion the Quranic themes should be taken out of the realms of scholars and learned to the common man
            Thanks

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              Both have their merits and drawbacks. The latter is an easier option but may result into problems as highlighted by yourself. I like the fomer approach just like you but often run into remarks like "this is an alien word".

              100 years ago, if you went to a Westerner and said 'yoga', you'd get a blank look. Then Maharishi Mahesh Yogi came about and introduced the concept. Now 'yoga' is a common word.

              The word will be as proliferated as our struggle to uphold its vehicle.

              In my opinion the Quranic themes should be taken out of the realms of scholars and learned to the common man

              In my opinion, there's no absolute realm of scholar or common man. It's just a word by word study of concepts which will trigger revolution.

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                100 years ago, if you went to a Westerner and said 'yoga', you'd get a blank look. Then Maharishi Mahesh Yogi came about and introduced the concept. Now 'yoga' is a common word.
                The word will be as proliferated as our struggle to uphold its vehicle.

                I won't compare Quranic themes with 'yoga' because of several reasons
                a) yoga is mental, spiritual and physical exercises. whereas Quranic themes are much more abstract and complex. you can explain yoga to a lay man with some diagrams and pictures. he or she may understand the spritual or mental aspects of it with some difficulty but atleast can get a hang of it.
                can you say the same for taqwa, ihasan, jihad or any other Quranic concept?
                b) yoga was something new for the western and offered a lot of appeal as something from the east. whereas Islam has been maligned and somehow related to violence and terrorism. Do you think the west can have a similar appeal for Islam and Quran with our long history of misunderstanding, unless we present the concepts in very simple terms?
                I know quite a few people, who in their ignorance, relate everything Arabic to something which is medieval.

                It's just a word by word study of concepts which will trigger revolution.

                Exactly that is what I am trying to highlight here. word by word study of concepts.

                At the end of the day what is the message of Quran other than HUMANITY and surrender before our CREATOR? Why the Prophets suffered, endured and won? Nothing else but Goodness for the sake of their creator.

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                  I won't compare Quranic themes with 'yoga' because of several reasons
                  a) yoga is mental, spiritual and physical exercises. whereas Quranic themes are much more abstract and complex. you can explain yoga to a lay man with some diagrams and pictures. he or she may understand the spritual or mental aspects of it with some difficulty but atleast can get a hang of it.

                  RajaYoga which includes pratyahara, dharana, dhyana and samadhi isn't that easy at a philosophical level.

                  can you say the same for taqwa, ihasan, jihad or any other Quranic concept?

                  All practical examples of Quranic concepts are in the stories in al-quraan.

                  b) yoga was something new for the western and offered a lot of appeal as something from the east. whereas Islam has been maligned and somehow related to violence and terrorism. Do you think the west can have a similar appeal for Islam and Quran with our long history of misunderstanding, unless we present the concepts in very simple terms?

                  I think ultimately, 'al-islaam' (the real deen in al-quraan) needs repackaging but there has to be a dimension in the program for the 'raw' study of al-quraan. Good point though.

                  I know quite a few people, who in their ignorance, relate everything Arabic to something which is medieval.

                  Such racists are beyond help anyway.

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                    In simple words can we say
                    "Saleh" means "reformist"? thats makes "Salehat" as "reformation"?

                    Yes we can, Reform is one meaning to Salaha

                    and Muhsim is a "doer of Good"?
                    Thanks

                    Absolutely, and the good deed can be for the self and others

                    Peace

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                      Pisces69
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                      Thanks for your input

                      What about the following?

                      Meezan (Balance)
                      Qist (Justice & fairness)
                      Adl (Justice & fairness)
                      Ihsan (Goodness)
                      Jihad (Struggle for just social order) (this one needs a qualifier)
                      Noor (Light of Guidance) (this one needs qualifier too since it is a allegorical)
                      Sabr (Patience & steadfastness)
                      Taqwa (God consciousness)
                      Tazakka (Moral Purification)
                      Taharat (Physical and Moral Cleanliness)
                      Millat (Way or Path)
                      Tawheed (Doctrine of Unity of God)

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