Umrah
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Yes, this one for example....2432-33 is always approached from the wrong point of view, only freeminds came with one of the best approaches. Here is what i came up with
First we look at Nikaa meaning marriage/combining/mixing/contract/covenant/joining
BaGhA'a (as also in 1920 Bagyyaa) meaning
Sought for or after, desired, endeavored to find and take and get (good or evil)
Loving or affecting a thing
Acting wrongfully, injuriously or tyrannically
Seeking or endeavoring to act corruptingly, wrongly and/or unjustly, insolent/disobedient
Exceeding due bounds or just limits in any way
Not right, proper or fit
Prostitute or adulteress, unchasteTahasanun
HaSadNun
To be well fortified
to strengthen
to immunize
to secure
to strengthen one's position
to be secure
be protected
And TaHaSadNun
securing
safeguarding
protection
protectedness
See
Hans Wehr - A Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic - Edited by J. Milton Cowan (Third Edition)(183)
Furthermore, Abu Fazl and Lanes hold similar ideas on the issue of Hasuna (Ha,Sad,Nun) Giving
to fortify
to secure
to structure (a palace)Malakat
coming from the word MaLaK
kingdom or realmAyManukum
oath/pledgeMa malakat aymanukum what is under your guardianship/oath
We can translate the verse from marriage point of view
"And combine/marry/bring together off those among you who are single/solitary, and from the virtious/good/righteous among your male and female servants/subordinates/workers. If they are poor/in need, then God will grant them from His grace. And God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.
And let those who are not able to find a combination(match)/not able to marry, continue to be chaste until God enriches them of His Bounty. And if those (women) under your oath/authorization/guardianship seek marriage/rights, then marry them off/give them their rights if you find they are ready/deserve it, and give them from the wealth of God which he has bestowed on you. and don't compel/drive/force your daughters/your women/young women into something that goes beyond their just rights/them feeling injustice, if they wish/desire to structure their own 'palace'(life)/protect their own 'palace'(life).
Or
and don't compel your daughters/your young women into something beyond their just rights/them feeling injustice, when they seek their own ways of strengthening their position.
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And don't compel your daughters/young women (in regards to their personal goals) beyond their just rights/them feeling injustice, when they seek their own independent ways of strengthening their personal position (in regards to their personal goals in life).In order that you make a gain in the goods/In order that you seek the gains of the immediate enjoyments (hayatud Dunya). God is the One who protects and provides (from the consequences of such mischievous plans).(2432-33)
"Hayatud Dunya" has been presented to be so by Abu Fazl in his Urdu Dictionary in Urdu words as follows "Fawri Aaish", I have translated above the meaning given by Abu Fazl in Urdu to English to be "Immediate enjoyments".
God is the one who "covers them from the consequences of the plans" and "provides them", Ghafuur=
God is the one who "protects" and "provides" .Ghafuur even means "the one who protects" (Refer Gharibul Quran - Abu Fazl)(page.292). Raheem even means "the one who provides" (Refer Lughatul Quran and Gharibul Quran notes on "Rahma"In the first version it is to combine the single people, so they can find a partner in love, and don't just pick out the rich. Combine the rich and poor to get a balanced society, where equality rules. And God will help them all grow then. And if they can't find a good combination yet, let them wait, and don't fall into illicit acts. And if you are a trustee/responsible over people under your care, that can mean from daughters to anyone under your authority/guardianship, then if they are ready, let them get married if they want, and help them get started. And don't force the daughters/women into situations were they feel they are being treated with unjust, things that go beyond their wishes, their permission, let them fill in their own lives. Let them decide on their own, how they want to develope. So this can apply to choice of education, husband, work, and so on. Just to please your or a family, or to uphold a tradition, or to gratify your wishes and plans you had with them, let those expectations go. Let them be individuals is what this verse tells us. Because God will protect them against the consequences of your plans.
Or if you see Nikaa in a social 'help' contract.
This is what you can see if you approach Nikaa in a social waya) Life in a Quranic system is more social where none would be left solitary. This verse urges the Social programmers to work on providing a strong family structure for these solitaries this may be through marriage or without it. Such is because such solitaries may be a child, a lady, a woman, or even elderly citizens residing in the city.b) Quran wants various classes of the society to come forward and show their enthusiasm in helping these solitaries find their a better life.c) Quran even emphasizes that those with limited means aren't ignored in this call. This is because, there are chances that they may have something to give to some which others may not. So, let this call be generally for all, whosoever feels that he/she is well in a position to fulfill it.
2432
So get the solitaries, the solitaries of society together, combine with them/form social contracts with them, wether you are rich or poor, the virtious, and God will grant them from His Bounty. God is Encompassing, Knowledgable.a) To continue, after going through the responsibilities of the contract (case to case) if one feels that he may not be able to do it, then let him refrain from proceeding with it. One shouldn't be demotivated for being in such a state; it is hope that takes one to the top, if one has the will to learn and strive in getting what he aims at in ways better and productive.
b) I believe that one is more a kind of Trustee when it comes for handling "Ma Malakat Aymanukum". Thus, giving back the trust to the right owners is quite important. So, of those who have responsibilities pertaining "Ma malakat Aymanukum" based on some stipulated contract, should spend of what they own of theirs if requested when it comes for establishing them in their desirable objectives. However, in case, the trustee is more worthy of defining the limits of spending then be it so.
c) Last but not the least, having had given such right to the trustees it doesn't mean that they poke nose and press things to a level that individuals tend to have nothing of their personal identity or say a opinion or even an objective regarding their future. One should understand that it is they who have to decide what they would have to do and that the job of the trustee is to guide them. So, if those under the shade of the trustee particularly the young women wish to strengthen their life in their own independent ways (this may or may not be about marriage) then they should be given all the more utilities to work on it. Let not the gliterring present deceive you in giving them their due rights.2433
And let those who can't find a good combination (to give social help or to find social help), then refrain from it till God helps you, enriches you. And if those who are under your guardianship (Ma Malakat Aymanukum) seek their own rights (Kitaab) then give them once you believe that they deserve it and provide them with the means that God had provided you with.And don't compel/drive/force the people under your guardianship(contract) on you into something (in regards to their personal goals) beyond their just rights/doing them injustice, when they seek their own independent ways of strengthening their personal position (in regards to their personal goals in life).
In order that you make a gain in the goods/In order that you seek the gains of the immediate enjoyments (hayatud Dunya). God is the One who protects and provides/most mercifull. -
These verses are translated wrong..........
The Hadithised translations have to be confusing. They present what their train of thought has predecided learning from the grand old Muhaddithin and Mufassirin like Tabari, Ibn Kathir, Ar-Razi, Zamakhshari.
Remember what Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal said, "There is no basis but absolute falsehood in three kinds of books MAGHAZI (Ghazwaat), MALAHIM (Minor battles in which the exalted prophet was not present), and the books of Tafsir."
This is interesting ...
May I know from where you get the quote? I am really wondering why the so called scholars never quote that ...
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Peace,
I'll find the book where it says this...
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Hi Arnold...
verse 2070
Khalifa
The magicians fell prostrate, saying, "We believe in the Lord of Aaron and Moses."Yusuf Ali
So the magicians were thrown down to prostration they said, "We believe in the Lord of Aaron and Moses".Pickthal
Then the wizards were (all) flung down prostrate, crying We believe in the Lord of Aaron and Moses.
Shakir And the magicians were cast down making obeisance; they said We believe in the Lord of Haroun and Musa.Sher Ali
Then the realization of truth made the sorcerers all down prostrate. They said, `We believe in the Lord of Aaron and Moses.'"Progressive Muslims"
So the magicians went down in prostration. They said "We believe in the Lord of Aaron and Moses."so how do you explain this? confused
peace,
sugar -
Peace,
That was the title given by the people. It doesn't say they were really 'sorcerers' and could do magic.
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peace arnold
These verses are translated wrong..........
What are your sources ( i am not being sarcastic). What do you use to come up w/ these definitions which (as you say) are wrong?
Thank you
God Bless
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Peace,
From the Quran itself. For one, God never advocates sin, so He could have never send any angels to teach people sin, even if they warn them. This most important rule is ignored by almost all translators. So that is why i cannot accept the traditional understanding. Then when you look a bit better at the context, you can see what it literaly says. Those people just made that story up as an excuse as so-called proof for magic. The source which i agree with and where i got this from is Dr.Shabbir, see www.ourbeacon.com.
But i already explained everything in that post.
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Peace,
That was the title given by the people. It doesn't say they were really 'sorcerers' and could do magic.
so what is the actual title? confused
peace,
sugar -
Peace,
We also call people magicians nowadays, like david copperfield, but no-one believes this is real magic. We all know they're tricks. In those days people believed they were real magicians. So the real title would be illusionists.
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God willing I will be flying to Arabia tomorrow yay
....but i STILL haven't packed, and I need to do more shopping and get some more sun lotion! brickwall
does any body know a cure for laziness and being so disorganised? D
peace,
sugar -
Yeah,
A kick under your butt bravo
Have a nice trip sugar, enjoy it...........
God bless.
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peace
does any body know a cure for laziness and being so disorganised?
Wish I knew, I could sure use some of that ;D
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I've been to umrah 3 times. I didn't get the 'tingling feeling' or the jaw dropping awe that everyone else described to me before I went. And this was when I was a sunni! hypno My experiences have been anything but pleasant. Makkah was hot and the people were rude, some even tried to con us out of money in the big mosque. Madinah was cool, people seemed more easy going there, but not a place I'd like to hang out anyway... maybe just the dates.
I never went for hajj, but I worked in Jeddah Airport for about a month during that season, and it was horrendous. I've also travelled through that airport many times. I hope I never have to go near that place ever again.
jedi
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I spent 3 weeks there, i've just arrived back this morning....
I've been to umrah 3 times. I didn't get the 'tingling feeling' or the jaw dropping awe that everyone else described to me before I went.
I went to various mosques in Arabia and I did not feel any connection to god what so ever. To be honest I found the place creepy and some of the people there just looked as though they were under a spell hypno.
My experiences have been anything but pleasant.
same here. the whole trip was a disaster from the start elektro. The hotel we went to looked NOTHING like it did in the brochure. I went with my aunty, uncle and granddad, we booked separate rooms but we were all shoved in one room, the other rooms we booked where given to other people even though we paid for them! and they refused to give us our money back! so the swines made extra profit. the hotel was filthy there were urine stains on the bed, the toilet did not work, the air conditioner blew in HOT air. It was like being in a fricken oven!
Makkah was hot and the people were rude
I have NEVER met so many so uncivilized people in my life! I was totally disgusted with what I saw!
some even tried to con us out of money in the big mosque.
zein almost every one cons you out of your money. Twice when me and my family were in a taxi the taxi drivers stopped half way through the journey and demanded more money or else they would not take us all the way there. The shop keepers ripped us off left, right and centre!!
They have recently knocked down hundreds of shops so you can imagine how i felt elektro. They are replacing them with hotels coz they want more people there. Where they are gonna fit all those people is beyond me! ??? The place was as busy as hajj when i was there!
I hated the security guards in the sacred mosque in Madinah. They were so pervy, they did not search you properly all they did was feel your boobs then let you in, if they were in England I know I could have got them arrested for sexual harassment!
I never went for hajj, but I worked in Jeddah Airport for about a month during that season, and it was horrendous.
you poor thing.... i would DIE if i had to work their elektro
Most parts of Makkah and Madinah stunk of sh*t, piss, B.O., vomit and every other vile thing you could think of, i find it SO ironic to why the arrogant gits don't let the "dirty kafir" in Makkah and Madinah.
There were hardly any places to eat there. The food was vile everywhere you went, there was not much variety either. I was starving all the way through the trip.
I did go on a camel ride, the camel that was behind the camel i was on tried to bite the leg of the camel i was on. So the camel i was on vigorously jumped up and down while i was on it! I lost my balance and almost fell down and broke my bones and the only thing my stupid aunty could care about was that my headscarf fell off my head! the hypocrite never wheres the damn thing at home.
You could get stylish jilbabs from their, but size small was far too big for me and size large was too tight for my fat aunty! My uncle refused to be seen with me unless i wore a jilbab and covered my hair. I only started to cover my head properly when my family told me that if the cops catch you with your hair uncovered you get whipped 20 times! does that really happen? i reckon they could have lied to me so i would cover my hair ). Even a baggy salwar kameez was considered "too tarty" there.
I saw SO MANY people with amputated limbs '( '( '(
The whole place is horrendous, i am so glad to be back home, England is the best place in the world!!
I was told that other people had to put up with more crap then me and my family did! The whole place is so corrupt! I can't get my head round the fact that people i know still manage to have a
enjoyable timedespite the sh*t they have to put up with! My uncle, granddad and aunty said they had aenjoyable experienceand the corruption wasinventibleand that i wasna?veto think that we would not have to go through that o o oThe trip has left me skint '( '( some of my family are considering going to Dubai soon and I know I don't have enough money to go with them '( '( '(
peace,
sugar -
I hated the security guards in the sacred mosque in Madinah. They were so pervy, they did not search you properly all they did was feel your boobs then let you in, if they were in England I know I could have got them arrested for sexual harassment!
Salaam Sugar,
That is f****** disgusting! I am so upset for you and I guarantee you that if I were there when that happened to you, I would have started the biggest fight they would have ever known for 1400 years. I am disgusted to the utmost level that such filth is allowed to happen to women, and this has filled me with absolute anger.
I guess that just as the legends of previous Prophets have been tainted with corruption (Moses, Jesus), so has the legend of Muhammad who brought the Quran.
I am sorry to hear you had such an awful experience, I pray that mine will yield some soulful contentment for me when I go.
Peace,
Stitch
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welcome back sugar, glad you survived the ordeal....
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Sugar,
when i read your post about your umrah experience i couldn't stop laughing... no offense intended - i'm (unfortunately) the kind who laughs of nearly everything, may be in order not to cry...
I just thought that all that would make a great film ! I would keep it comic...
Peace lk
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what I said in my previous post was a concise version of what happened there. elektro
That is f****** disgusting! I am so upset for you and I guarantee you that if I were there when that happened to you, I would have started the biggest fight they would have ever known for 1400 years. I am disgusted to the utmost level that such filth is allowed to happen to women, and this has filled me with absolute anger.
erm.... stitch the security guards at the womens section of the Mosque were women not men, i know it's peculiar to call women 'pervy' but you have no idea what they were like! i know i could put them in prison for what they do if they were here in England, they are very corrupt in so many ways! they all wore ninja outfits (AKA niqab) and it would not surprise me if there were men underneath there!
What infuriated me about the place was when I bought magazine from Makkah which talked about the barbaric custom of the community rejecting/blaming rape victims for being raped, instead of the magazine condemning what they do all they said was "the community should not be too harsh on the rape victims" '( >( My blood boiled when i read that!
Ironically there were more pervy men in Arabia then there are in England. If your on your own they wont take their eyes off you, some of them do rather odd things to get your attention, i just ignored them and pretended that i never saw them.
When i was in the sacred mosque in Madinah there was a 40 year old women who felt my butt for ages, the place was too crowded so i could not move, i screamed and there was a girl there who found it funny >(
I reckon in Arabia your more likely to get sexually harassed by women then men!
The people are so weird. When I was walking out of the sacred mosque in Madinah there was a girl there who put her hands on my aunties back and was about to push here down the stairs. I grabbed her hands and told her not to push. She asked me "why?" and she had a confused look on her face! The pushing and shoving is horrendous! I saw people strangling each other and pulling each others headscarfs of so that they can kiss the black stone! When our local imam went there were these men that picked him up and tried to throw him, my uncle was there and stopped them. They used to pick the kids up, put them up side them down like they were a piece of meat and slam their faces in the black stone!
Stitch make sure you ask people that have used the same travel agent as you about the service you would get, then you will know what to expect. Take a separate suit case with you just for food. The food there is VILE. Make sure you take a big packet of anti-depressants with you, your gonna need them.
There are no prices mentioned in most of the shops, if the shop keepers ask where you are from don't say England, mention a poor country of else they will try to rip you off. I had people charging me up to 5 times more for what i would have paid if i bought them in England! And the quality of the stuff was crap! make sure you take some batteries with you when you buy electrical goods and check them out if they work before you buy them, most of them do not work.
When I was in the hotel in Madinah we caught the workers twice snooping through our stuff when we were out. It's not a wise idea to leave a large some of money in the hotel. My granddad knew people who have put money in there pockets and bought these big belts to put there money in, who have had their stomachs cut with pocket knives so people could steal their money! IMO it's best to get a shirt that has pockets on your chest, that way its harder for the thieves to get your money. However if you ever faint the people will not help you, they will just search your pockets for your money and then run off.
The shirk is horrendous and so is the hypocrisy.
Half of Pakistan is there, especially people from Lahore and Karachi. There were hardly anyone from England there which sucked coz there was no one to talk to, i'm not a sociable person but even i felt very lonely there.
No matter what happens to you there there is not much you can do, the concept of human rights and manners is alien to the people I met there.
I hope you don't go through what I had to go through.
peace,
sugar -
what I said in my previous post was a concise version of what happened there. elektro
That is f****** disgusting! I am so upset for you and I guarantee you that if I were there when that happened to you, I would have started the biggest fight they would have ever known for 1400 years. I am disgusted to the utmost level that such filth is allowed to happen to women, and this has filled me with absolute anger.
erm.... stitch the security guards at the womens section of the Mosque were women not men,
Ooops, my bad, however it is no consolation. You have no idea how infuriated I have been today with the images in my head that such conduct is carred out there. Your experience has most definitely been a negative one, and I am upset for you, it seems that any integrity Islam or Muslims may have ever had has now truly vanished forever. (
Peace,
Stitch
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peace sugar
thank you for sharing your experience, God forbid i get near that dump. You know you see many times mentioned in the quran to walk the earth and observe the signs. There's your sign, that these people are clearly on the wrong path.