Re: How did Music become HARAM?
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peace
we are not saying (at least i am not) that music is haram, i am talking about the content if the content is explicit in anyway than I believe it's 'haram' or at least a sin
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if i get banned, you'll pay
Haha, can't pay, can't afford to man. (If you think content is questionable you can always IM next time)
Can you think of no situation where this could be appropriate?
and why can't there be exceptions to rules?No I can't think of any. I didn't say that there shouldn't be exceptions to rules. I said there shouldn't be exceptions to EVERY rule.
p.s. I'm not as serious as i sound.
That's good. Laughter is great medicine. Why do you think I love family guy so much?
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Peace
Music is a beautiful expression. In no way could it be haram if done tastefully.
Those lyrics you posted as an example, phoenix, are highly offensive so no there is no exception where it would be ok. if someone wants to say that to his wife, by all means, behind closed doors. the whole world doesn't have to know it. there's no need to have a song about it to poison the minds of little ones and make women feel insecure.
Peace all
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peace
imran, s2s,
i take back what i said. There are exceptions to SOME rules P
this rule could be one of them.The situation i was thinking about was behind close doors in a private situation without children and without women who would be offended.
But i guess it's a bit too unlikely for that to ever happen, so... peaceBut please understand that i was never defending the lyrics 50 cent uses.
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Peace Phoenix
There are exceptions to SOME rules
true true i agree
The situation i was thinking about was behind close doors in a private situation without children and without women who would be offended.
oh no doubt i agree with you. whatever floats your boat as long as both parties are ok with it. i still don't think it should be made in a song for ppl to listen to though...
But i guess it's a bit too unlikely for that to ever happen, so... peace
You never know some ppl are into strange stuff. as long as the husband and the wife are both not offended by bad language being said to them then i don't think it's wrong. i mean of course it shouldn't be an on-going thing even outside the bedroom cuz then that's just abuse in my book. but again, songs are too public and a married couple's sex life is and should be very personal.
But please understand that i was never defending the lyrics 50 cent uses.
oh was that 50 cent ? D ...that crazy guy yea i'm not too fond of his lyrics ... yea way too vulgar for my taste too .. its a shame cuz he's got some catchy hot beats .. if he'd only get rid of the potty mouth lolPeace all
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oh was that 50 cent ? Cheesy ...that crazy guy yea i'm not too fond of his lyrics ... yea way too vulgar for my taste too .. its a shame cuz he's got some catchy hot beats .. if he'd only get rid of the potty mouth lol
uh, no, that was me.
He's got some catchy beats. some. His movie was terrible, though. -
peace imran,
a couple, singing songs to eachother or listening to songs with "sexual references" is not wrong. And sexual references don't necessarily mean objectifying women.
Salaam Brother,
I think its not about u as a couple listening to songs with "sexual references" together...
We can not even make a song with "sexual references" on the first place.
If Allah tells us to subdue our sight, do u think He would allow us to create a "SEXUAL" song or music for couples.
Its the same way to say that a porn movie is okay as long as we watch it with our mate (wife or husband) or if we make it for marriage couples but thats not the case. Creating the porn movie on the first place is UNLAWFUL. Thats it.
And do u think when people creating those SEX type of music and those SEX type of movie, they are created for marriage couples only? No, They create it for ALL. Means ur kids would hear it, ur kids would watch it and they will keep those things on their mind etc.
So what do u think about this brother?Salaam
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peace
But please understand that i was never defending the lyrics 50 cent uses.
I hope not man Stewie put him in the right place, and how dare you question stewie ! ;D
What about songs which have 'baby dance with me tonight and move your body' .. nuthing wrong with that I think! I think if it gets over-sexual then its wrong ..
nothing right with that either, if you think that's not wrong you are kidding yourself. There's nothing positive being generated from this nothing but evil can come from it. The problem is that this is a thing you say in a sexual sense. It cannot be taken any other way.
I think sister fatima brought up a great point, if sexual references are not haram in songs, then why should they be in adult films. No one sane can say that thats not haram. It's the same thing. The music we listen to, the tv we watch, the movies we watch 'program' the masses.So I would definitely say that it's 'haram'
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oh was that 50 cent ? Cheesy ...that crazy guy yea i'm not too fond of his lyrics ... yea way too vulgar for my taste too .. its a shame cuz he's got some catchy hot beats .. if he'd only get rid of the potty mouth lol
It's called rap ! ;D
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Salaam Brother,
I think its not about u as a couple listening to songs with "sexual references" together...
We can not even make a song with "sexual references" on the first place.
If Allah tells us to subdue our sight, do u think He would allow us to create a "SEXUAL" song or music for couples.
Its the same way to say that a porn movie is okay as long as we watch it with our mate (wife or husband) but thats not the case. Creating the porn movie on the first place is UNLAWFUL. Thats it.
And do u think when people creating those SEX type of music and those SEX type of movie, they are not creating for marriage couples only. They create it for ALL. Means ur kids would hear it, ur kids would watch it and they will keep those things on their mind etc.
So what do u think about this brother?Salaam
peace
I agree.
Obviously, if we are talking about commercial music. -
Salaam Brother,
I think its not about u as a couple listening to songs with "sexual references" together...
We can not even make a song with "sexual references" on the first place.
If Allah tells us to subdue our sight, do u think He would allow us to create a "SEXUAL" song or music for couples.
Its the same way to say that a porn movie is okay as long as we watch it with our mate (wife or husband) but thats not the case. Creating the porn movie on the first place is UNLAWFUL. Thats it.
And do u think when people creating those SEX type of music and those SEX type of movie, they are not creating for marriage couples only. They create it for ALL. Means ur kids would hear it, ur kids would watch it and they will keep those things on their mind etc.
So what do u think about this brother?Salaam
peace
I agree.
Obviously, if we are talking about commercial music.Salaam,
Yes Brother, if u creating a sexual song for ur wife or she creates u a sexual song and u sing it together as a marriage couple then it would be fine, because the relationship betwen u two are halal and the sexual thing that u produce its just for u and her (private).Salaam
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ok for ppl who listen to bollywood songs .. so bascially all bollywood romantic songs are haram ? I mean if we listen to them then we are committing a sin even if its not affecting us in anyway!
Sex in my view isnt bad .. the problem with us muslims is that we tend to hide these things behind doors !! Ok its private between a man and women but to talk about it isnt bad at all in my view .. we have to open up !! -
Salaam,
Are all bollywood songs talk about sex?
Some bollywood songs talk about true love, family, parents, country, religi, struggle and etc and I think there is nothing wrong with that.
Again its not about the bollywood song or not, its about the CONTENT. If the content is HALAL like I mentioned above, I think then it will be alright.
But if talking about SEX, bollywood or not bollywood is HARAM.Salaam,
ps The sadness thing that I notice, the bollywood starts to make more SEX type of movie AND music nowadays
And they will say its the "TREND"...what happen with the east value, religion value that we have? We have enough of those kind of movies over here in HOLLYWOOD...ok for ppl who listen to bollywood songs .. so bascially all bollywood romantic songs are haram ? I mean if we listen to them then we are committing a sin even if its not affecting us in anyway!
Sex in my view isnt bad .. the problem with us muslims is that we tend to hide these things behind doors !! Ok its private between a man and women but to talk about it isnt bad at all in my view .. we have to open up !! -
I def think that watching porn is haram .. without a doubt! But wathcing ppl kiss isnt cus it isnt that sexual! I mean it doesnt matter if bollywood is becoming more sex-oriented cus its a natural thing and there shouldnt be any barrier in discussing about it in movies etc ... so do u guys think sex jokes are haram?
I mean i think it depends on how a person takes it him/herself! YES religion does say that we should be modest but how are we not modest when we sing about sex etc? -
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ut wathcing ppl kiss isnt cus it isnt that sexual!
Not THAT sexual, but still is. Though it depends whether that kiss in the movie is leading to something else, or is it just a kiss.
so do u guys think sex jokes are haram?
I wouldn't say sex jokes are haram, but i certainly won't say it's allowed either. Think about it, is it righteous?
YES religion does say that we should be modest
I don't wanna talk about religion (religion=man made laws not authorized by God), but whatever Quran/God tells us to do is for our own benefit. Think about it watching/listening to that content is only going to make you think about the wrong content. There's no way it will ever make you think about something good.
how are we not modest when we sing about sex etc?
How ARE we modest. It's not righteous/good. IT can only lead to trouble. There's no benefit whatsoever.
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peace
i don't see sex as bad. It is how sex is portrayed that is bad a lot of times.
Today, most of the songs/movies objectify people (especially women).
So it's not whether a song's lyrics contain the word sex or not, it's what it's saying about sex that we should be concerned about.sex jokes aren't bad, because they are just jokes. Whatever the joke says, no one will take seriously.
But we must respect the feelings of others around us. -
peace
it's just that when I do something I always ask myself, what benefit does this have? And I see none w/ these. They ONLY lead to evil.
sex jokes aren't bad, because they are just jokes. Whatever the joke says, no one will take seriously.
okay tell me a sex joke that is righteous
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peace imran,
just admit it, you want me to get banned. voodoo
what do you mean by righteous? something that benefits us? a sex joke can certainly benefit us. First of all, if it's funny, it'll make people laugh and we all know how good laughing is for us. Second of all, a person can tell a sex joke that is educational, it might help teach someone something.
Again, a you can't judge a sex joke by it's cover.
And everything isn't black and white, there are some gray areas too. Something that isn't 'righteous' doesn't automatically make it 'evil.' And your standards of evil and righteous might be different from others. -
peace waleed
just admit it, you want me to get banned.
haha How did you know? ;D
what do you mean by righteous? something that benefits us? a sex joke can certainly benefit us.
More like something beneficial and not detrimental. Something that doesn't steer the mind the wrong way. Can benefit us? There are zillion things that CAN benefit us, it doesn't mean that they do.
and everything isn't black and white, there are some gray areas too.
You are right
First of all, if it's funny, it'll make people laugh and we all know how good laughing is for us. Second of all, a person can tell a sex joke that is educational, it might help teach someone something.
Here we go manipulation. Are only sex jokes funny? A sex joke that is educational? Are you serious? What is the purpose of a joke (as you admitted in your post) And tell me would you tell your 7 year old son/daughter sex jokes? educational ones?
Something that isn't 'righteous' doesn't automatically make it 'evil.' And your standards of evil and righteous might be different from others.
True. I never said that something that isn't righteous becomes automatically evil. I just see zero benefits w/ this.