Article From University of Paramadina -- Is Al-Qur'an Error Free?
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peace
where is this university?
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peace waleed
Yes i read the NAME of the university, i wondered where as in what country? I looked it up....Indonesia
It's just before i read something i like to know who/where/ etc....Because of prejudices
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Salaam Imran K,
Yes this university is in my country D
I don't have a problem with the notion that word-for-word of the quran has undergone changes, such as vocalization marks. But I'm curious about the part of extra/deleted surahs in the article above, whether anyone has any info on that. Or the words for that matter.
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Many Muslims believe that Abu Bakr, the first Caliph (reigned 632-634) ordered the first compilation of the different fragments of the Qur?an, from odd parchements, pieces of bone, and the memories of Muhammad?s followers. Shi?as reject the idea of Abu Bakr?s compilation of the Qur'an, claiming it was Ali who made the compilation of Qur'an immediately after the death of Muhammad. Uthman (Caliph 644-656) ordered a compilation of the Qur?an due to disputes arising about recitation. The relation of this compilation to that of Abu Bakr?s reign is not clear. If Abu Bakr?s compilation were in existence, it is not clear how disputes arose which required Uthman to compile the Qur?an. Some traditions consider the first compilation to be the basis of the second (which requires the first to be incomplete), others that the first never existed, and others still that the two compilations were made independently but were found to be identical. The Qur?anic compilation of Uthman?s reign was completed between 650 & 656, about 20 years after Muhammad?s death, and about 40 years after the first revelations. Muslim?s consider that the text of this compilation, known as the ?rasm?, is the same text as that of the Qur?an today. Uthman ordered all alternative copies to be destroyed. The oldest physical text of the Qur?an is to be found on inscriptions on the Dome of the Rock, built in 691. Some Qur'anic fragments have been dated as far back as the seventh or eighth century. The oldest fragments yet found are from San?a in the Yemen. Both the San?a fragments and the Dome inscriptions differ slightly from the current text (only in diacritics). The oldest comprehensive copy of the text is from the ninth century, over one and a half centuries after Muhammad?s death.
Critics argue that the absolute political and religious authority of the caliphs would have allowed them to easily add or remove text during the compilation process, (as later caliphs may have tried to do so after).
Supporters of the Qur'an claim its initial circulation as a spoken text, and claim that the several hundred companions perfectly memorized the Qur'an. Islamic sources suggest that Muhammad would recite the Qur'an in its entirety (that is, including both the earliest and the most recent elements) once every Ramadan but twice in the year he died. Also, The Qur'an was not only transmitted orally but also were written down by the four scribes selected by Muhammad. Some supporters of Quran argue that the claimed consistency and mathematical structure of Quran shows that Qur'an should have had one author. Some non-Muslim academics reject the notion that the Qur'an of today is markedly different from the Qur'an recited at the time of Muhammad's death. See Qur'an for further information about Compilation of Qur'an.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Islam
that's an excerpt from the above article from wikipedia (the free encyclopia that anyone can edit!)
peace waleed
Yes i read the NAME of the university, i wondered where as in what country? I looked it up....Indonesia
It's just before i read something i like to know who/where/ etc....Because of prejudices
Who's prejudices? yours?
peace
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Paramedina
i thought it was already established that the Quran has not been preserved 'word for word.'
Peace bro
I can see the flaw in your statement in two angles
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what you say is a clear cut lie that it has been established as such, what is your proof and where exacly that been confirmed globally?, well it seems you are following Satan message that the Quran is not preserved and you don't believe Allah in the Quran that He will preserve it, now that is so funny for someone calling himslef Muslim, haha
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why not the process done by humans to reach a final version of the Quran was part of the preserving plan by Allah?, another haha
Salam
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peace Ahmed,
i didn't say it was established globally, but on this forum. It was pretty much decided that although the quran has not been preserved exactly, word for word, letter for letter, it's message has remained virtually unchanged.
anyway, take a look at this thread
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5802.0