Is the Black stone god Shiva?
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Something I never understood is why we have to bow and spin anti-clockwise around a cube in the desert with a black stone?
As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully.Why do we bow down at Ka'aba?
Because we have to obey God.Why we walk anti-clockwise around the cube?
because we have to obey God.God could've ordered to run from Mecca to Medina.
God wants to see if we will obey.
Why don't we wash our armpits before prayer?
Because God is testing us will we obey and follow His simple command to take ablution or will we add something new.As salamu alaykum.
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As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully.I forgot to say one thing
Black stone is NOT any god, there is no god but ONE TRUE AND ONLY GOD, Allah The Most Merciul.There is no god but GOD. (English)
La Ilahe Illa Allah. (Arabic)
Nema drugoga boga osim Allaha. (Bosnian, Croatian, Serbian)
Ni drugega boga razen Allaha. (Slovenian)As salamu alaykum.
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Peace,
Allen, I approach these concepts a bit different. There is still much to be investigated, but i don't agree with the conevtional concepts of Hajj. Like where does it say anti-clockwise? Or even walk around it in circles? These are non-Quranic rituals. If i say, let's walk around the city, does this mean i'm circumbulating the city? No, this refers to move in the concepts around it. Also the House Abraham build refers to the System, the Deen he build. Kaaba means base/foundation if i'm not mistaken, and so translated the verse that says kaaba, would say
597 God has made the foundation, the Sacred House(The Deen), a means of support for mankind, as also the holy month, the sacrificial offerings, and consecrated cattle, so that you may understand that known to God is all that is in the heavens and the earth, and God has knowledge of everything.
Also, where is kaaba/foundation connected with bowing? Masjid means place of prostration, which can be anywhere where people bow to God's laws, this includes your mind being masjid al-haram. Qibla means focus, so these verses refer to focus on implying God's laws in the land and your mind by my view.
2115 says God is everywhere, no particulair place is needed to direct ourselves too i believe. I do agree on facing the same direction, but this is already included with 4102, where it is ordered to stand with them.
Hajj is one of the most twisted conceptions in Islam. It refers to a debate between ALL the people of the world. Hajj literaly means debate and ?determination for a noble cause?.
Dr.Shabbir on Hajj
2196 (Peace cannot defend itself. Mankind has to guard it.) Therefore, observe the Hajj or Umrah Convention for Allah. If you are stranded, send in gifts that the congregation would utilize. Do not consider that by doing so you have relieved yourself of duty. Be with them at heart until the gifts have reached their destination. If someone is sick or has other compelling burdens denying him sending any contribution, then Abstinence for a few days at convenience, or an act of charity or fulfilling someone?s need shall be in order. If a person is present at the Convention but cannot afford to contribute, he should exercise Abstinence for a total number of ten days, three days there and seven days after coming home. This is for him whose folk do not live in the vicinity of the Convention. Be mindful of Allah, remembering the noble objective. And know that Allah's Law of Requital is strict in pursuing and grasping.
2197 The Convention shall take place in the months appointed for it and made well known to all. Whoever participates in the Convention shall refrain from sexual intimacy, slipping out of discipline and argumentation throughout Hajj. And whatever you accomplish for the good of mankind, Allah will acknowledge it. So make ample provision, yet the best provision is your good conduct. Be mindful of Me, O You of understanding!
There is still much to be researched. But i thought i would share it with you....
Peace bro...
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Peace,
And now also there are claims that Makka is not a city according Quran but just a noun that fit in that verse it is mention.
So yeah there are alot to investigate I agree about that.
Peace Maria
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As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully.Yes, i agree, we should investigate a lot but now i recall that there's ayya wher eit says something about Hajj. It says those who are not from Mecca, have to fast three days while there and seven days when they return home.
So, i think that Mecca is a city afterall.
What do you think?As salamu alaykum.
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Peace,
No Alen, in that verse Mecca is not mentioned.
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Salam Alen
As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully.I forgot to say one thing
Black stone is NOT any god, there is no god but ONE TRUE AND ONLY GOD, Allah The Most Merciul.There is no god but GOD. (English)
La Ilahe Illa Allah. (Arabic)
Nema drugoga boga osim Allaha. (Bosnian, Croatian, Serbian)
Ni drugega boga razen Allaha. (Slovenian)
Nuk ka zot tjeter p?rve? Allahut (Albanian)As salamu alaykum.
Brother Alen I just added the Albanian translation of La Ilahe Illa Allah. I felt like doing that
God bless,
FJ -
As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully.Thanks, FJ, the more we know, the strongest we are.
I have several Albanian friends here.
In Slovenia, Albanian have almost all the same job - selling fruit and vegetables, ice-cream, baking pies and construction business.
They're all very friendly and nice.Thanks FJ.
As salamu alaykum. -
aslmualaykm brothers handshake
in one verse,i cant remember,it says about "to circulate my house" like idk if circulate,like u know go around,and we do it like that because the earth does it around the sun,she is the guest in the sun's house and we are the guests in allah's swt house.
and to face it,it clearly says it on quran too.
no hay dios sino Dios(espa?ol)
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Peace,
Allen, I approach these concepts a bit different. There is still much to be investigated, but i don't agree with the conevtional concepts of Hajj. Like where does it say anti-clockwise? Or even walk around it in circles? These are non-Quranic rituals. If i say, let's walk around the city, does this mean i'm circumbulating the city? No, this refers to move in the concepts around it. Also the House Abraham build refers to the System, the Deen he build. Kaaba means base/foundation if i'm not mistaken, and so translated the verse that says kaaba, would say
597 God has made the foundation, the Sacred House(The Deen), a means of support for mankind, as also the holy month, the sacrificial offerings, and consecrated cattle, so that you may understand that known to God is all that is in the heavens and the earth, and God has knowledge of everything.
Also, where is kaaba/foundation connected with bowing? Masjid means place of prostration, which can be anywhere where people bow to God's laws, this includes your mind being masjid al-haram. Qibla means focus, so these verses refer to focus on implying God's laws in the land and your mind by my view.
2115 says God is everywhere, no particulair place is needed to direct ourselves too i believe. I do agree on facing the same direction, but this is already included with 4102, where it is ordered to stand with them.
Hajj is one of the most twisted conceptions in Islam. It refers to a debate between ALL the people of the world. Hajj literaly means debate and ?determination for a noble cause?.
Dr.Shabbir on Hajj
2196 (Peace cannot defend itself. Mankind has to guard it.) Therefore, observe the Hajj or Umrah Convention for Allah. If you are stranded, send in gifts that the congregation would utilize. Do not consider that by doing so you have relieved yourself of duty. Be with them at heart until the gifts have reached their destination. If someone is sick or has other compelling burdens denying him sending any contribution, then Abstinence for a few days at convenience, or an act of charity or fulfilling someone?s need shall be in order. If a person is present at the Convention but cannot afford to contribute, he should exercise Abstinence for a total number of ten days, three days there and seven days after coming home. This is for him whose folk do not live in the vicinity of the Convention. Be mindful of Allah, remembering the noble objective. And know that Allah's Law of Requital is strict in pursuing and grasping.
2197 The Convention shall take place in the months appointed for it and made well known to all. Whoever participates in the Convention shall refrain from sexual intimacy, slipping out of discipline and argumentation throughout Hajj. And whatever you accomplish for the good of mankind, Allah will acknowledge it. So make ample provision, yet the best provision is your good conduct. Be mindful of Me, O You of understanding!
There is still much to be researched. But i thought i would share it with you....
Peace bro...
[/quottawf of immam raza tomb
Immam raza tomb is located in Mashad an Iranian city near afghanistan bondry .The bazzar arround tomb is made in such manner that you will never know that you are circling are making tawaf of the tomb. It happend to me and i was surprised when after a 20 minuts walk i reached the same point from where i started.
Any way shia are visiting that tomb every day and doing all this kind of stuff .
hadakallah
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Salaam Brother
Can I hear some more of your thoughts on below.If any article of yours on this subject would be really helpful
Peace
Peace,
Allen, I approach these concepts a bit different. There is still much to be investigated, but i don't agree with the conevtional concepts of Hajj. Like where does it say anti-clockwise? Or even walk around it in circles? These are non-Quranic rituals. If i say, let's walk around the city, does this mean i'm circumbulating the city? No, this refers to move in the concepts around it. Also the House Abraham build refers to the System, the Deen he build. Kaaba means base/foundation if i'm not mistaken, and so translated the verse that says kaaba, would say
597 God has made the foundation, the Sacred House(The Deen), a means of support for mankind, as also the holy month, the sacrificial offerings, and consecrated cattle, so that you may understand that known to God is all that is in the heavens and the earth, and God has knowledge of everything.
Also, where is kaaba/foundation connected with bowing? Masjid means place of prostration, which can be anywhere where people bow to God's laws, this includes your mind being masjid al-haram. Qibla means focus, so these verses refer to focus on implying God's laws in the land and your mind by my view.
2115 says God is everywhere, no particulair place is needed to direct ourselves too i believe. I do agree on facing the same direction, but this is already included with 4102, where it is ordered to stand with them.
Hajj is one of the most twisted conceptions in Islam. It refers to a debate between ALL the people of the world. Hajj literaly means debate and ?determination for a noble cause?.
Dr.Shabbir on Hajj
2196 (Peace cannot defend itself. Mankind has to guard it.) Therefore, observe the Hajj or Umrah Convention for Allah. If you are stranded, send in gifts that the congregation would utilize. Do not consider that by doing so you have relieved yourself of duty. Be with them at heart until the gifts have reached their destination. If someone is sick or has other compelling burdens denying him sending any contribution, then Abstinence for a few days at convenience, or an act of charity or fulfilling someone?s need shall be in order. If a person is present at the Convention but cannot afford to contribute, he should exercise Abstinence for a total number of ten days, three days there and seven days after coming home. This is for him whose folk do not live in the vicinity of the Convention. Be mindful of Allah, remembering the noble objective. And know that Allah's Law of Requital is strict in pursuing and grasping.
2197 The Convention shall take place in the months appointed for it and made well known to all. Whoever participates in the Convention shall refrain from sexual intimacy, slipping out of discipline and argumentation throughout Hajj. And whatever you accomplish for the good of mankind, Allah will acknowledge it. So make ample provision, yet the best provision is your good conduct. Be mindful of Me, O You of understanding!
There is still much to be researched. But i thought i would share it with you....
Peace bro...
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Peace,
Please read
http//19.org/index.php?id=91,554,0,0,1,0&PHPSESSID=667941349c996099696ab2220aad68a7
and
http//www.ourbeacon.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=455
and
http//www.ourbeacon.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=705
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Something I never understood is why we have to bow and spin anti-clockwise around a cube in the desert with a black stone?
Salaam,
This is something that has been on my mind for a long time now... not the black stone so much (to me that's just weird), but the cube itself. If the cube is made of stone and we use this stone cube as a focal point, well... I just don't get it. Since God is everywhere why would He tell us to pray towards a stone fixture made by man? This confuses me a lot because we are not to pray to any "thing"... only God.
Please help in my better understanding.
Peace
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What I think is weird is what the black stone looks like with the silver around it, and then people kiss it.
It is an easy way to absorb pagan traditions. Remove the idols, change the direction of the circling and you have a new tradition. Similar to the way the early Christian church absorbed tradtion from pagans- easter eggs, evergreens in the winter, etc.
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Peace Dotty,
This is something that has been on my mind for a long time now... not the black stone so much (to me that's just weird), but the cube itself. If the cube is made of stone and we use this stone cube as a focal point, well... I just don't get it. Since God is everywhere why would He tell us to pray towards a stone fixture made by man? This confuses me a lot because we are not to pray to any "thing"... only God.
Please help in my better understanding.Please see
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/history/ayman1.htm
Peace,
Ayman
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Salaam ayman,
I did read your article and it seems to focus on many traditional rituals and the points are valid.
However, I did not find anything which directly relates to my question... Are we suppose to pray toward a stone cube, and if so, doesn't that establish praying to something other than God? People have told me it's just a focal point, but I have a difficult time believing we are suppose to pray toward something made out of stone.
Peace