How Long Is Allah's Day? 1,000 Years or 50,000 years?
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As SAlaam Alaikum,
Could someone please help me with this
2247
A Day with Allah is as a thousand years of what ye reckon.
325
He directeth the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascendeth unto Him in a Day, whereof the measure is a thousand years of that ye reckon.But in 704 it says....
704
Unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years.Could someone please explain this?
thanks
salaamSalam sister
the first verse clearly says "Ina Yawman Ind Rabuk...", i.e. this can be taken as Allah day, because the verse says "Ind Rabuk", as well that day was compared to what we count and is equivlent to 1000 years of what we count
the other verse is totally different it is saying the Angels day if Iraj to Him is equivelent to 50,000 years, the verse never said "of what we count" neither it related that day of angels irag to be a day Ind Allah
therefore I take it as the first 1 that is the day Ind Allah and is equivlent to 1000 years of what we count, this actually lead to an equiation that pin pointed the speed of light accuratly
Allah knows best
Salam
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peace
2247 and 325 are talking about the fact that A day to God is 1000 years to us.
In 704, the angels and the spirits ascend to God in a 50,000 years span . Not that 1 day = 50,000 years. A day here is not being compared to our days. This is how long the Angels take to get up there. I think this most likely refers to 'how far up there God is.'
"Time is relative."
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peace
2247 and 325 are talking about the fact that A day to God is 1000 years to us.
In 704, the angels and the spirits ascend to God in a 50,000 years span . Not that 1 day = 50,000 years. A day here is not being compared to our days. This is how long the Angels take to get up there. I think this most likely refers to 'how far up there God is.'
"Time is relative."
As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully.Yeah, i agree with you brother.
But is this day an Earth day?As salamu alaykum.
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Peace,
Yaumwe means period, and not specificaly a day, it can be any time period. So when you put in those verses period/era, they become logical.
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therefore I take it as the first 1 that is the day Ind Allah and is equivlent to 1000 years of what we count, this actually lead to an equiation that pin pointed the speed of light accuratly
For someone who claims to design bridges and tunnels you seem to not know the most elementary facts.
Speed is distance over time. To calculate a speed requires the knowedge of distance. To say one day is equal to 1000 years can never yield a distance value.
1000 years is approx 365, 000 days. Show anyone here how you can derive the speed of light from that one piece of data.
If you can't do it, then at least admit in your post that you are ignorant of how this traditionalist rubbish pseudo science was started and that you know it only from hearsay amongst conversations outside your local mosque.
You probably also believe that Neil Armstrong heard the "athan" when he set foot on the moon - a rumour started by enemies of Islam to bait them into spreading obvious rubbish so they may be ridiculed.
Wake up Ahmed.
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Salaam Truth,
1000 years is approx 365, 000 days. Show anyone here how you can derive the speed of light from that one piece of data.
A popular explanation written by a traditionalist may be found at http//www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm ;D
=adley=
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Salaam Truth,
1000 years is approx 365, 000 days. Show anyone here how you can derive the speed of light from that one piece of data.
A popular explanation written by a traditionalist may be found at http//www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm ;D
=adley=
Even after a brief read there are some problems.
It assumes that 1000 years = 12000 lunar orbits. Therefore the years are assumed to be lunar years.
It then mixes this up with an arbitrary selection of sidereal time units rather than solar.
It then seems to say that the moon orbits the sun in a straightforward fashion, when the moon orbits the earth primarily and together with it orbits the sun. So the moon travels in a complex 'epicycle' fashion around the sun - so this part of the 'proof' is plainly ludicrous.
Then there are fudge factors for the lunar orbit again followed by fudges for gravity.
The material is presented as 'science' but is full of holes. If the author (probably some wet behind the ears bearded freshman whose just got his first programmable calculator) was serious he should publish it in a peer reviewed journal.
Just not going to happen.
Later.
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For someone who claims to design bridges and tunnels you seem to not know the most elementary facts.
LOL bro, well, I have to say that I don?t claim rather I?m fully qualified Civil Engineer in two countries, the problem is bro, I just don?t like it, therefore I don?t really have experience building tunnels and bridges but I do have experience building logics
But may I ask, the above statement by you does not make sense, let me explain
You stated that I seem not to know the most elementary facts, good now I should ask elementary facts regarding what exactly?, or is it a general elementary facts in life?, I guess you meant the bridges and tunnels elementary facts?, or you meant any Civil Engineer should be smart enough to know all the elementary facts of every bloody subject in the world?, well let me see what sort of elementary facts you are talking about exactly
Speed is distance over time. To calculate a speed requires the knowledge of distance. To say one day is equal to 1000 years can never yield a distance value.
well I can show you that it can yield to a distance based on a damn accurate equation
1000 years is approx 365, 000 days. Show anyone here how you can derive the speed of light from that one piece of data.
and why you didn?t base it on the Lunar year?
If you can't do it, then at least admit in your post that you are ignorant of how this traditionalist rubbish pseudo science was started and that you know it only from hearsay amongst conversations outside your local mosque.
Well it seems that I?m the one who is always exposing your ignorance, watch for my next comment and let all see that you posses the general elementary facts, but hey what you will read in my next comment can?t be said by the guy on the local mosque, I guess thioiose sort of guys don?t posses the general elementary facts as you do and you are going to prove to us soon when you reply to my comment
You probably also believe that Neil Armstrong heard the "athan" when he set foot on the moon - a rumour started by enemies of Islam to bait them into spreading obvious rubbish so they may be ridiculed.
Well, I never heard of that, it does not make sense to me anyway but what I will show you soon will make sense to many, I guess for you, you may have the veil still
Wake up Ahmed.
Well, let?s see the next wake up call then
Salam Oben you are really funny
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I looked at that url, well it is put in a confusing way, I have my own version that I have done a while back after I confirmed its calculation and will be much easier to read, now the opposers of this may have to respond to each equation in it, I have to find it first, hold on
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Here we go guys
Now I don't want to hear rants, just act professional and refute each bloody equation or any Arabic word explanation, your rants will be ignored just to let you know
?He regulates the affair from the heaven to the earth; then shall it ascend to Him in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.?
(5)
-> it is obvious from the verse that Allah regulates the affair from the heaven to the earth? He regulates the affair from the heaven to the earth;?, also our affairs ascend to him ? then shall it ascend to Him?, the time for these affairs to ascend to Allah as is described as a day that measures a thousand years of what we count ? in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.?
-> these affairs are in constant descending and ascending, as stated by ?Abu Haian? as well, Al Alousi said the continuity of regulating the affairs from heaven to earth and vice versa is clear from the two present sense verbs ?regulates? and ?ascend? ? ?, and ? ?.
-> Also Al Razi said when Allah says ? in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.? ? ?, is a sign of the continuity of the regulation and ascending of affairs not limited to a one day, rather the one day of a unit of measurement, this is also clear when Allah said ? the measure of? ? ? , the use of the past sense ? ?, is also a sign of continuity of the affairs regulation and ascending
-> Confirming the previous point if using the past sense of the verb ?be? ? ? in Arabic is a common practise in the Arabic language to give an action a sense of continuity, we will need to look at anther verse from the Quran quickly? But to Allah belong all things in the heavens and on earth And He it is that Encompasseth all things.?
(126)
-> clear as light that the verse says that Allah encompasses all things, while the Arabic verse is using the word ? ? the past sense of ?Be? to stress the continuity of the action of compassing all things ? ? and translates to ? He it is that Encompasseth all things? as explained in the Fateh Al Bary
-> back to the original verse about regulating the affairs, the use of ? the measure of? ? ?, in the word ? the measure of? ? ? means clearly a measure, now the ? ?, the last letter in the word ??, is related to the regulation/ascending of the affairs, NOT and this an important NOT to a day as Mugahid and Abu Haian stated, they added that it can not be comprehendible that the regulation/ascending of the affairs will only take one day rather a continuos action, and the Arabic word ? ? means ?in? before the Arabic word ? ? means ?a day?, indicate that the limited day was only used as a container for the unlimited action of the regulation/ascending of the affairs, like we say the sea water is in a cup, and sure this means that some of the sea water is in the cup not the whole sea water
-> Some scholars thought that the verse 325 is indicating the depth of the universe, but this understanding is wrong because they can not prove their claim yet, and also this understanding will conflict with another verse in the Quran that indicates the spreading universe, let?s have a look at it this verse
?And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.?
(47)
-> Also the scholars who suggested that the day mentioned in the verse is a day length of the judgement day, however this understanding is flawed because the verse is clear that it is an earth day of what we count ? in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.? ? ?
-> The two words ?day? and ?year? mentioned in the verse ? in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.?, have been confirmed by the following scholars Ibn Abbas, Al Aloosi, Al Zamkhari, Ibn Kathir, Al Tabari, and Abu Haian, that it is an earth day and an earth year
-> If we look again at what Allah said ??then shall it ascend to Him in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.?, the ?what we count? as Al Zamkhari and Abu Haian confirmed that it means what humans count as years, the Quarn came clear that the 12 months of the year are based on the lunar year, and the lunar month is based on the moon always changing crescent , let?s look at the verse
?He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and measured for it (The Moon) stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning. Allah created not (all) that save in truth. He detaileth the revelations for people who have knowledge.?
(5)
-> based on the above verse (105), the following ? in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.? ? ?, can produce a mathematical equation, based on we can calculate the distance that the moon can run in a 1000 lunar year, why we have to use the moon?, because we can use a human, or a horse for example, we need a sign that can be viewed by every one on earth and also moves in consistent and known path, and nothing will fit but the moon that is suppose to be used to calculate the years from the first place
-> we also find that Allah used the Arabic word ? ? to describe the ascending or affairs back to Him in a day measured as a thousand year of what we count, the Arabic word ? ? means ascending but NOT in a straight line, it is actually used as a common word in Arabic to describe a person who have a problem with one leg and can not walk straight, this actually describe exactly the General Theory of Relativity because the theory says that light may bends affected by gravity as it travels between the heavenly objects-> based on the above we can come up with an equation to calculate the speed of light as follow
The distance that is travelled by Gods regulation and affairs in one earth day = the distance the moon will travel in its orbit in a 1000 year
And because the moon rotates once around earth in a lunar month, then the distance travelled by the moon in 1000 lunar years will be 12000 moon orbits around earth
The above equation can be as follow
The max speed in the heaven and earth x The time of an earth day = 12000 x The length of the moon orbit
The above equation can be as follow
The max speed in the heaven and earth = (12000 x The length of the moon orbit) / The time of an earth day
And again the equation will be
The max speed in the heaven and earth = (12000 x The moon average speed x Lunar month) / The time of an earth day
-> when it comes to calculating the moon day or even any day on any planet including earth, it is a known fact that all scientists calculate it based on the Sidereal System i.e. based on very far stars and not on the sun , the calculation based on the sun is called ?The Synodic System?, the advantage of the Sidereal System that it get rid of the effect of the earth rotation around the sun
-> for the earth for example the day length according to the Synodic System is 24 hours = 86400 Seconds, while under the Sidereal System and by using atomic clocks, the earth day is 23564.0906 = 86164.0905 Seconds
-> for the moon the Synodic month is on average = 29.53059 day, however from the distant stars as a datum and according to the Sidereal System and measured by atomic clocks= 27.321661 day = 65571986 Hours
Please refer to Macmillan Dictionary of Astronomy. The Macmillan Press (1985), for the above mentioned numbers regarding the earth day and moon month under the Sidereal System
-> we can calculate the average speed of the moon as follow
The moon average speed = (2 x PI x Average distance between the earth and moon) / The moon month under the Sidereal System
The moon average speed = ( 2 x 3.1416 x 384264 ) / 65571986 = 3682.07 km/h , and this is the official moon average speed recognised by Nasa
Looking at the next sketch
http//mail.forte.com.au/ahmed/quran/speed.jpg
- The angle X is the angle that the earth moves around the sun in one Sidereal lunar month , i.e in a time = 27.321661 days
to calculate the angle X, we know the earth rotates 360 degrees around the sun in 365.25636 day, this will lead to
angle X = 27.321661 x 369 / 365,25636 = 26.92848 degrees
- and because the average speed of the moon recognised by Nasa and = 3682.07 km/h is calculated while on rotating earth around the sun, this average speed is actual more than the real and true average speed of the moon while the moon is rotating on a stationary earth, but because the earth changes direction the average moon speed changes accordingly in direction and the moon will move to point (2) after completing a one Sidereal lunar month, so to need to calculate the moon true and average speed, the angle X must be taken into account, this will lead to
The moon average speed around a stationary earth (S1) = The moon average speed around a rotating earth (S2) x Cosine X
The moon average speed around a stationary earth (S1) = 3682.07 x Cosine 26.92848
The moon average speed around a stationary earth (S1) = 3682.07 x 0.89157
The moon average speed around a stationary earth (S1) = 3282.82315 km/h, which is the moon average speed after we removed the earth rotation around the sun effect
Now we can substitute all the variables in our equation with the calculated figures as follow
The max speed in the heaven and earth = (12000 x The moon average speed x Lunar month) / The time of an earth day using the Sidereal System
The max speed in the heaven and earth = (12000 x 3282.82315 x 65571986) / 86164.0905
The max speed in the heaven and earth = 299792.5 km/h = the exact speed of light as we know it today which is = 299792.458 km/h
cheers
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Salaam Truth,
It assumes that 1000 years = 12000 lunar orbits. Therefore the years are assumed to be lunar years.
It then mixes this up with an arbitrary selection of sidereal time units rather than solar.
It then seems to say that the moon orbits the sun in a straightforward fashion, when the moon orbits the earth primarily and together with it orbits the sun. So the moon travels in a complex 'epicycle' fashion around the sun - so this part of the 'proof' is plainly ludicrous.
Then there are fudge factors for the lunar orbit again followed by fudges for gravity.
The material is presented as 'science' but is full of holes. If the author (probably some wet behind the ears bearded freshman whose just got his first programmable calculator) was serious he should publish it in a peer reviewed journal.
Just not going to happen.
Well, it does have too much assumptions, does it not?
I was not at all certain about the article either, even though I have to admit I found it quite interesting at first. ;D=adley=
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therefore I take it as the first 1 that is the day Ind Allah and is equivlent to 1000 years of what we count, this actually lead to an equiation that pin pointed the speed of light accuratly
For someone who claims to design bridges and tunnels you seem to not know the most elementary facts.
Speed is distance over time. To calculate a speed requires the knowedge of distance. To say one day is equal to 1000 years can never yield a distance value.
1000 years is approx 365, 000 days. Show anyone here how you can derive the speed of light from that one piece of data.
If you can't do it, then at least admit in your post that you are ignorant of how this traditionalist rubbish pseudo science was started and that you know it only from hearsay amongst conversations outside your local mosque.
You probably also believe that Neil Armstrong heard the "athan" when he set foot on the moon - a rumour started by enemies of Islam to bait them into spreading obvious rubbish so they may be ridiculed.
Wake up Ahmed.
yay yay yay
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therefore I take it as the first 1 that is the day Ind Allah and is equivlent to 1000 years of what we count, this actually lead to an equiation that pin pointed the speed of light accuratly
For someone who claims to design bridges and tunnels you seem to not know the most elementary facts.
Speed is distance over time. To calculate a speed requires the knowedge of distance. To say one day is equal to 1000 years can never yield a distance value.
1000 years is approx 365, 000 days. Show anyone here how you can derive the speed of light from that one piece of data.
If you can't do it, then at least admit in your post that you are ignorant of how this traditionalist rubbish pseudo science was started and that you know it only from hearsay amongst conversations outside your local mosque.
You probably also believe that Neil Armstrong heard the "athan" when he set foot on the moon - a rumour started by enemies of Islam to bait them into spreading obvious rubbish so they may be ridiculed.
Wake up Ahmed.
yay yay yay
May I ask
who you are laughing at, me or truth?
Cheers