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Why didn't God preserve the previous scriptures?

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    unknownuser
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    peace Ahmed,

    Peace mate

    no, fire is not superior than clay or soil.

    are u sure?

    You can verify that for yourself. Just light a fire, then put some soil over the flame, and you'll see that the flame will die.

    LOL bro, you always amaze me with your nice tries

    Well and why you want to dumb soil on fire to see what the fire will do to it?, can?t you just put it in a pot on top of the fire?

    Well I can distinguish fires using a pile of cotton if I keep slamming the fire with it, or I can use a cup of water quickly

    Bro be real, just hang the soil on top of the fire and see for yourself what will happen to it, and after u do that replace the two and put the fire on top of the soil and see what the soil will do to the fire, nothing I tell you, LOL

    See water can put the fire down but if you put in a pot on top of the fire, the water will not be able to stand it and will be dismissed (vapour) , LOL

    There is no "superior" element or being.

    Really, I though Gold is one of the top elements in the chemical chain, well I bet Fire will still melt the Gold and the Gold can do nothing to the fire

    Fire is not a seperate thing from soil. Everything is ONE. Everything is energy.

    LOL, who said that, Einstein?

    I think you are wrong when you say our sense doesn't count. Our ability to think is given to us by God so we can recognize the truth.

    Well, we only need to know what Allah want us to know, now you want to know what Allah didn?t want us to know, good luck in your spiritual journey

    The thing is, if I ignore my logic, then there is no way for me to know whether what I believe in is true or not.

    Well, you only need to believe in Allah, not to know why He didn?t reserve the other scriptures unlike what He did with the last scripture

    Our ability to think is what leads us to the truth.

    I hope you stay away from conjectures though, this is the warning from Allah to all of us, but it seems you are going on your own journey

    If we ignore that, then we are lost.

    Sorry, lost what exactly?

    And if I'm not mistaken, you are saying that we have to ignore it.

    Of course, because Allah didn?t tell us why, now you think there are people out there who will know what Allah never told us about, again good luck with that sort of conjectures

    I am not questioning God. I'm questioning what we believe to be God's book.

    Really,

    Well here is the title of your thread

    ? Why didn't God preserve the previous scriptures??

    now please tell me, are you questioning God or not by the above?

    Also your question above has nothing to do with questioning what you believe to be God?s book, because truly you don?t believe in that

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      unknownuser
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      peace ahmed

      ? Why didn't God preserve the previous scriptures??

      now please tell me, are you questioning God or not by the above?

      I have wondered this before, not to question God (would never question the Most wise). Because I believe there's a reason God does everything. Since he's in no-need.

      But I do believe in every fabric of my being that the Quran is from God. And nothing could prove me otherwise (Unless God wills otherwise)

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        phoenix1
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        peace

        are u sure?

        yes, I'm sure.

        LOL bro, you always amaze me with your nice tries

        Well and why you want to dumb soil on fire to see what the fire will do to it?, can?t you just put it in a pot on top of the fire?

        Well I can distinguish fires using a pile of cotton if I keep slamming the fire with it, or I can use a cup of water quickly

        Bro be real, just hang the soil on top of the fire and see for yourself what will happen to it, and after u do that replace the two and put the fire on top of the soil and see what the soil will do to the fire, nothing I tell you, LOL

        See water can put the fire down but if you put in a pot on top of the fire, the water will not be able to stand it and will be dismissed (vapour) , LOL

        It might be funny, but it is true. Just light a fire, then bring a bucket of soil and cover the fire with it. If you do it properly, the soil WILL block the oxygen and the fire will die.

        Really, I though Gold is one of the top elements in the chemical chain, well I bet Fire will still melt the Gold and the Gold can do nothing to the fire

        what chemical chain?
        Anyway, you are comparing apples to oranges. Fire is not an element. It is energy released during the reaction of oxygen with another substance. That's what fire is.

        LOL, who said that, Einstein?

        Yes, Einstein did say that. Ever heard of E=MC^2?

        Of course, because Allah didn?t tell us why, now you think there are people out there who will know what Allah never told us about, again good luck with that sort of conjectures

        I don't believe God is a book. I believe God is everywhere. God talks to us through this world. Without using our own brains, the Quran is nothing, because people can misinterpret it, make the wrong conclusions about it. The Quran is just a book. The reader can make whatever he/she wants of it.
        What I don't get it is this, why would God give us a book that doesn't make sense to us unless we FIRST believe it is from God?

        ? Why didn't God preserve the previous scriptures??

        now please tell me, are you questioning God or not by the above?

        Also your question above has nothing to do with questioning what you believe to be God?s book, because truly you don?t believe in that

        It was more of a question for everyone here than God. I just wanted to see what answers I get so I can learn. There are things that I don't understand, and I want to make things clear for myself. And even if I have to question God to follow God, I'll do it.
        My question has everything to do with our beliefs. I want to be sure of what I believe, and I believe I have to ask questions to to do that.
        Honestly, I mean no offence. I don't mean to attack the Quran, or anything.

        Also, do you believe the Jinn are made from water? because all living things are made of water?

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          now please tell me, are you questioning God or not by the above?

          If you were to ask me, I question God because I do no take any knowledge blindly. If a book say so-and-so, I will not accept it just because it says so-and-so.

          This does not mean I reject God. I merely question because I want to understand.

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            savage_carrot
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            Peace Ahmed and Phoenix,

            Okay this which 'element' is superior is borderline crazy! D Guys, discuss something substantial. Phoenix I can feel your pain. Walk away I say

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              unknownuser
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              now please tell me, are you questioning God or not by the above?

              If you were to ask me, I question God because I do no take any knowledge blindly. If a book say so-and-so, I will not accept it just because it says so-and-so.

              This does not mean I reject God. I merely question because I want to understand.

              Fine, consider I asked you

              well, those who questions are those who yet to believe, as simple as this, who who donlt question are those who already questioned before they believd then after they submitted they should question any more

              if they do then they are not really true believers, would you like to see the Quran verse that tells you that or sort of like that?

              cheers

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                unknownuser
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                peace ahmed

                Why didn't God preserve the previous scriptures?

                now please tell me, are you questioning God or not by the above?

                I have wondered this before, not to question God (would never question the Most wise). Because I believe there's a reason God does everything. Since he's in no-need.

                But I do believe in every fabric of my being that the Quran is from God. And nothing could prove me otherwise (Unless God wills otherwise)

                Thanks mate

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                  Peace Ahmed and Phoenix,

                  Okay this which 'element' is superior is borderline crazy! Cheesy Guys, discuss something substantial. Phoenix I can feel your pain. Walk away I say Wink

                  This is MY thread! I'm staying!

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                    Peace Ahmed and Phoenix,

                    Okay this which 'element' is superior is borderline crazy! Cheesy Guys, discuss something substantial. Phoenix I can feel your pain. Walk away I say Wink

                    This is MY thread! I'm staying! )

                    far out

                    I'm not going to leave alone

                    let's punch out bro, LOL

                    Salam

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                      ahmed,

                      i understand where you are coming from, and you feel that to ask a question that relates to how Allah has done something is disrespectful. This idea is borne out of the way that it is disrespectful to question a king for anything he has done, or question a parent for something he/she may have said/done.

                      But this is not the way that belief in Islam works. Allah never asks us to believe Him in this way, and in fact encourages us to investigate and ask questions. Even the word IMAAN relates to this. It's interesting that IMAAN means to believe in something after it has satisfied and made peace with all of one's senses and understanding... ie through intensive investigation.

                      those who believe without questioning are like sheep. there is no harm in healthy questions and investigation. One merely has to be careful about understanding the limits of the human mind. It's not like the question is hypothetical about very obscure things... his question is very real and relates to an ACTUAL occurence... previous scriptures were not at all preserved, yet they like the Quran, came from Allah.

                      There are explanations for phoenix's questions, more than one, and in fact the explanation itself can have great ramifications for one's understanding of Islam. This particular question of his is rather important in understanding the whole concept of nasikh mansookh. If you don't ask questions, your understanding will be shallow, and hence your belief will also be superficial and flimsy.

                      If one believe's something blindly, that is not imaan.

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                        ahmed,

                        i understand where you are coming from, and you feel that to ask a question that relates to how Allah has done something is disrespectful.

                        Peace bro

                        I don?t really think that questioning Allah is disrespectful, I guess there should be a fine line in what to ask and how to ask and why to ask?, this fine line is very easily determined by a true believer in Allah, this is due to the fact a true believer should know what Allah is all about

                        But what I found that some ask very silly questions that has absolutely no merit whatsoever, if they are not believers then this is fine, I expect a non believer to ask zillions of silly questions but to claim that you are a believer then come and ask similar questions to those who know nothing about Allah?, this is where I?m puzzled

                        The way also they put their questions is like they got the Quran red handed or sort of, this is where the disrespect is coming from because they claim to have believed in it already, some even call themselves Muslims while they don?t believe that Mohammad existed for real

                        It is easy to say that they believe in Allah and the last day but do you think those who ask those silly questions really believed?

                        The problem here is coming from two angles

                        1. It causes confusion to many yet to be solid believers when they see those who claim to be solid believers asking these silly questions, the Quran actually gave us a close example to that

                        101- O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.

                        102- Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.

                        (101)
                        (102)

                        -> While the above may be related to some old incidents during the prophet time as the hadith is telling us, I still see the above verses apply now and will apply for the future generations, it only apply on those who call themselves ?BELIEVERS?, see how the verse started ? O ye who believe!?, then the warning followed ? Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.?, now this is really ironic, things that if made plain, will cause trouble, now how plain to answer these sorts of questions by saying ?Allah does what He wants??, or how plain to tell them ?Allah actions can?t be questioned?, both answers were stated by Allah plainly in the Quran, and yet it causes trouble to them, why is that?, aren?t we dealing with a God?, who can squash us any time without even telling us?, imagine He is an unjust god, ?God forbids?, and He decided to boil us in hot water every bloody day then replace our skins and the cycle goes on, can we do anything about it?, again we can?t because He is a powerful God, humans even can do nothing when dealing with a powerful human who may be torturing them and they can?t do nothing, our God is not like that, our God is explaining to us the fine line that we should follow, that fine line is simply we ask questions and we only look for plain answers in the Quran, these questions must be related to Allah for sure, not a question on how to fix a car, the fine line was stated clearly to those believers who claim to have believed in the Quran ? Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.?, how plain is this bro?

                        If the question relates to Allah like the question in this thread, and there is no answer in the Quran by Allah then why we take answers from humans?, I stress, the question relates to Allah and His actions

                        This is where some believers will be vulnerable to Iblis and his progeny, he can easily exploit this vulnerability and they end up like those believers before us, then on that account they loose their faith , this is Iblis main objective, that all of us loose our faith, only those Mukhlasin believers won?t fall preys to Iblis clever assaults when exploiting this vulnerability because that was Allah promise to us and He clearly told him that only those Mukhlasin believers that He can?t touch

                        This will take us to the second angle of the problem
                        2) This is where the doubt will come to those who keep asking these questions, despite many answers by those Mukhlasin believers were offered, they still turn a blind eye and keep asking these question, some believers go as far as even copying others silly questions by many non Muslims and come and post it on Islamic web sites, see how they fell preys to Iblis?, sure because they are not Mukhlasin believers, rather some big mouths wannabe believers and Iblis love them as he loves hell, well he is trying hard to have?m as his companions in hell, this is very noble by Iblis, to honour companionships, LOL, again, the Quran has given us another example

                        15- Only those are Believers who have believed in Allah and His Messenger, and have never since doubted, but have striven with their belongings and their persons in the Cause of Allah Such are the sincere

                        16- Say What! Will ye instruct Allah about your religion? But Allah knows all that is in the heavens and on earth He has full knowledge of all things.

                        (15)
                        (16)

                        -> See bro how the first verse describes the believers ? Only those are Believers who have believed in Allah and His Messenger, and have never since doubted?, see those believers are ? Such are the sincere?, because when they believed, they really believed and ? have never since doubted?, I?m sure they asked zillions of silly questio0ns before they decided to believe and submit to Allah.

                        -> Those who keep asking questions regarding Allah words stating His actions in the Quran have a serious question to answer ? Say What! Will ye instruct Allah about your religion??, it?s a very serious question indeed and their statement of belief is really jeopardised because they totally forgot that ? Allah knows all that is in the heavens and on earth He has full knowledge of all things?, how come they claim to have believed and keep questioning Allah then look for answers from humans and not from the Quran by Allah?, if there is no answer to their question then that should be the end of it really, or will it make them unbelievers?, it is actually quite possible bro, and that is why I?m tough with those ones, it is actually caring from my side for them, Allah knows well my intensions, let?s look how it can happen and what it can lead to

                        Surely (as for) those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path.

                        (137)

                        -> See bro how it can happen when doubt comes in ? Surely (as for) those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief,?, it?s a worry for them because ? Allah will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path.?

                        Here you have it bro, I?m trying to help them by showing them the plain answers from the Quran, this plain answers is what Allah said, not what I said, so if we have a question regarding Allah like ?why Allah didn?t preserve previous scriptures?? and there is no answer in the Quran then ?Allah can not be asked that question?, He is The God and He does what He wants and part of what He wanted is not to tell us why He didn?t preserve the previous scriptures. Now humans can seek answers from humans and I?m sure this may lead them astray because the many answers they will hear will surely cause trouble to them regardless how plain the many human answers are it is exactly as the Quran told us.

                        This idea is borne out of the way that it is disrespectful to question a king for anything he has done, or question a parent for something he/she may have said/done.

                        I don?t think so bro, the idea is borne out of the way the people before us asked these questions and on that account they lost their faith, it has nothing to do with respect it is all about knowing well Who we are dealing with

                        But this is not the way that belief in Islam works. Allah never asks us to believe Him in this way, and in fact encourages us to investigate and ask questions. Even the word IMAAN relates to this. It's interesting that IMAAN means to believe in something after it has satisfied and made peace with all of one's senses and understanding... ie through intensive investigation.

                        Yes that is before we believe, after we believe then it works differently, if the question is about Allah or His actions then the answer should be provided by Him only, if the answer is not in the Quran then we should not ask this question about Him.

                        those who believe without questioning are like sheep.

                        I agree, but as you can see they are believers and they can ask even silly question but only before they believed, if they declare their belief in Allah then any question about Him and His actions should be referred to Him ONLY in His preserved words, if there is no answer then the question should not be asked about Him, i.e. this is the answer to their question that is ?you should not ask this question mister believer?

                        there is no harm in healthy questions and investigation.

                        I agree but for positive questions about faith, not silly questions like why Allah did not preserve the old scriptures, this is actually a silly question because it can be asked the other way around, ?Why Allah preserved the Quran??, this can also lead to another silly question, ?Why Allah sent many books, why not ONE only that is preserved??, again if there is no answers to these silly questions in the Quran, it means that belivers should not ask these questions

                        One merely has to be careful about understanding the limits of the human mind. It's not like the question is hypothetical about very obscure things... his question is very real and relates to an ACTUAL occurence... previous scriptures were not at all preserved, yet they like the Quran, came from Allah.

                        Again we can only look for answers regarding this action by Allah in the Quran, if the Quran does not answer it then I believe and logically speaking the question should not be asked by someone claiming to be a believer

                        There are explanations for phoenix's questions, more than one,

                        See, that is what I?m talking about, Iblis has found some companions and is playing with them because simply which one of these explanations do you reckon was the intension of Allah?, NO ONE KNOWS except Allah, so in effect we will be saying things about Allah that we don?t know, this is actually one of Iblis tricks, here it is bro

                        168- O men! eat the lawful and good things out of what is in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the Shaitan; surely he is your open enemy.

                        169- He only enjoins you evil and indecency, and that you may speak against Allah what you do not know.

                        (16
                        (169)

                        -> See bro what Iblis can do to us ? He only enjoins you evil and indecency, and that you may speak against Allah what you do not know.?

                        and in fact the explanation itself can have great ramifications for one's understanding of Islam.

                        It seems those are really in need to understand what Allah is first before they submit to Him and join Islam

                        This particular question of his is rather important in understanding the whole concept of nasikh mansookh.

                        This whole concept of Nasikh and Mansookh is nothing but utter non sense, I?m talking within the Quran itself, regarding the Quran and other scriptures, it is obvious that the Quran over written them as a whole and we only need to believe and follow the Quran, but we only need to believe that Allah sent previous scriptures, that?s all

                        If you don't ask questions, your understanding will be shallow, and hence your belief will also be superficial and flimsy.

                        If you are an unbeliever then be my guest and I welcome any question about Allah even the silly ones.

                        If you claim to have believed then only ask questions about Allah where we can find answers in the Quran, if there is no answer then the Question is answered by simply ?it should NOT be asked by a true believer and a submitter?

                        If one believe's something blindly, that is not imaan.

                        I agree but we are talking about two phases of life here

                        1. before belief
                        2. after belief and submitting to Allah

                        Take care bro

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                          Peace Ahmed,

                          Good post. I think the point that you may be missing is that perhaps the answer to Phoenix's question is already in the Qur'an. His premise is about fairness, and how could it be fair to those who have a corrupted scripture when we have a "pure" scripture. The Qur'an answers this question indirectly

                          569 ?Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabiens, and the Nazarenes; whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works, then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.?

                          So, even a corrupted scripture can deliver this message.

                          Further, we will be judged in perfect fairness by God, so surely God knows what each person had to endure and how we dealt with our individual burdens.

                          3969-70 And the earth will shine with the light of its Lord, and the record will be placed, and the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forth; and it will then be judged between them with truth, and they will not be wronged.
                          And every soul will be paid for whatever it did, for He is fully aware of everything they have done.

                          So, even though a question may seem silly to you, it's premise is already answered in the Qur'an.

                          2533 And no question do they bring to you but We bring to you the Truth and the best explanation.

                          Peace,
                          Tay

                          Peace,
                          Tay

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                            peace

                            whats the guarantee that even w/ a pure scripture that these people wouldn't go astray, billions are already w/ a pure scripture. You have to understand that people for whom God is sufficient will always be in the minority.

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                              Peace Imran,

                              There are no guarantees. Everyone is judged fairly, that's all we know.

                              Peace,
                              Tay

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                                Peace Ahmed,

                                Good post. I think the point that you may be missing is that perhaps the answer to Phoenix's question is already in the Qur'an. His premise is about fairness, and how could it be fair to those who have a corrupted scripture when we have a "pure" scripture. The Qur'an answers this question indirectly

                                569 Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabiens, and the Nazarenes; whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works, then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.

                                So, even a corrupted scripture can deliver this message.

                                Further, we will be judged in perfect fairness by God, so surely God knows what each person had to endure and how we dealt with our individual burdens.

                                3969-70 And the earth will shine with the light of its Lord, and the record will be placed, and the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forth; and it will then be judged between them with truth, and they will not be wronged.
                                And every soul will be paid for whatever it did, for He is fully aware of everything they have done.

                                So, even though a question may seem silly to you, it's premise is already answered in the Qur'an.

                                2533 And no question do they bring to you but We bring to you the Truth and the best explanation.

                                Peace,
                                Tay

                                Peace,
                                Tay

                                I agree bro

                                Peace

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                                  I agree bro
                                  yay

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                                    salams all,

                                    well I find myself with a little time on my hands, so let me respond to some things that were said.

                                    As far as those who seemed to claim that some vague closeness or belief in God is enough for salvation, I would ask them not to take some part of the book and ignore the other. You must account for verses such as

                                    385 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost.

                                    Islam is not a religion about some esoteric and vague fuzzy closeness with God. It is very practical, and at every turn we see the Quran give us directions on how to establish a successful society. A society/nation that enjoins the good, forbids the evil, and is constructed according to Allah's guidance so that in essence HE governs us rather than any individual (maaliki youm ud din). Anyway, that's just food for thought. There is no verse, including 569, that says it is okay to reject Islam.


                                    Ahmed,

                                    How can you claim that to arrive at Imaan you ask questions and investigate, but once you achieve Imaan you stop asking questions and act like a blind sheep? Imaan is a CONTINUOUS act. To have imaan, one must always be inquisitive alert and investigate, and thus achieve true inner peace (not the peace of a horse with blinders being beaten by his master to stay on the path).

                                    2573 Those who, when they are admonished with ayaat of their Lord, fall not down at them as if they were deaf or blind;

                                    We dont fall deaf and dumb even for the ayaat of Allah.

                                    As far as your reference to 5101-2, you gave your interpretation of it, but I would like to offer an alternative.

                                    Firstly, if you read the verse carefully, the verse must be relating to things that can be easily understood because it says that those things could be made plain to us. Secondly, IF it were made plain to us, it would cause us trouble. Thirdly, take the context, the preceding verse is talking about protecting ourselves from bad and doing good. Fourthly, take the fact that the following verse claims that previous nations DID ask and apparently did get troubled by it and lost their faith.

                                    Is there a simple explanation for the above, or should we just put on the blinders and start talking fire and brimstone?? You took the fire and brimstone route already, so let me go for the simple explanation.

                                    The Quran is a guidance for mankind, and it is a complete guidance and it is the furqaan. There is no indication in the Quran that anything else is required for it, it is independent and a noor, a guiding light. But, doesn't it strike you as odd that the Quran repeatedly asks us to give zakat but it doesn't add the simple 2.5% term that would be extremely helpful? The same goes for a myriad of other "details" or "applications." It tells us to pray, but not the details. There certainly are some details in the Quran, but it is largely mostly principles. Now, don't you think the natural thing people would ask is, why doesn't Allah provide those details and preserve them in the Quran for all time to come?

                                    The answer is simple, that to do so would go against what the Quran is trying to accomplish (i.e. it would trouble us if it were made plain to us). Islam's great strength is its ability to adapt to the needs of the nation/society through time. If zakat needs to be increased or decreased, it can be done. If the model of government or economic model needs some adjustment it can be done. If punishments for various crimes need to be altered, it can be done. But if all of those things were detailed in the Quran, it certainly may have been good for a time, but eventually it would become problematic for society when those applications became obsolete and the needs of society required a change. No change would be possible, if it was recorded in the Quran. If someone asked, how should one ride a camel to work and then it was revealed, as time went on it would become obsolete as the society evolved. In fact, society has changed tremendously in the past thousand years, and MANY facets of society has changed so much that sometimes we look back at old laws and laugh, because they are so inapplicable today.

                                    Well this is one possible interpretation of the ayaat... again, I would ask you to go and research the word imaan. It never hurts to ask a question, as long as you realize that there are limits to what a human can comprehend. If we followed your principle, no one would have asked why the sun and moon go round, why ships disappear over a horizon, why things always fall down, etc. Every breakthrough in understanding has been through people asking easy AND hard questions. What phoenix asked was important, and it has answers, and you are the only one missing out by not investigating it, and in fact, your imaan demands that you investigate everything.

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                                      Bro shaib, just quickly as I don't have time to respond to your comment now

                                      If you read my comment well, I stated that believers can ask questions about Allah as long as there are answers to be found by Him in the Quran, and that will be the truthful answer

                                      If there is no answers, they can still seek it through human conjectures

                                      That is what I said bro

                                      cheers

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                                        aslm! handshake
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                                        Behold, thy Lord said to the angels "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said "I know what ye know not."

                                        "I know what ye know not."

                                        everything happened how allah wanted it to happen, why? because he knows what we do not know,so u should save yourself while u can....

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                                        And unto Allah leads straight the Way, but there are ways that turn aside if Allah had willed, He could have guided all of you.

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                                        Say "With Allah is the argument that reaches home if it had been His will, He could indeed have guided you all."

                                        so at the end of the road youll find that all of it was planned by one king.
                                        so it is because he just wanted it...

                                        imagine if they didnt have changed(scriptures),everyone will see the truth,but to see it u gotta be really sincere,care about it,worry about it,and do lots of research till u get it,because its good to ask yourself such questions,it helps u find the truth.

                                        .........

                                        quran will never change,never! it existed and will always exist,out of allahs memory nothing escapes.
                                        others scriptures didnt say they werent gonna not change.
                                        and people have changed them because of envy in between them.

                                        handshake handshake handshake handshake handshake

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                                          Phoenix1, you ask a question that has been in my thoughts as I read the quran for the first time. Quran gives honor to the scriptures in existence at that time (which would be Genesis to Revelation, since quran was given over a 20-year period in the 7th century) calling them The Book. Then saying it is corrupted and not to study them lest one become beguiled by them. Honor/corrupted...how can this be? To give honor to the corrupted? If indeed they are corrupted, who corrupted them? What is his/their name? Where did he/they live? When? Why? How? Which verses? Where can uncorrupted versions be found to show the differences; what happened to them?

                                          Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished. And He said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away." David, in Psalm 11989 says, "Forever, O LOrd, Thy word is settled in heaven." And verse 152 says, "Of old I have known Thy testimonies, that Thou hast founded them forever." The God who is able to watch over and preserve His word does not change, does He? He is ALWAYS able to protect and preserve His word, is He not?

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