Translation of `Jinn`

unknownuser

Let's have a break from this subject and read some wise words by Harun Yahya that truely describes many on this web site

Allah has revealed in detail the kind of moral values people should have and the kind of lives they should lead. True moral values dictate that one lives scrupulously by Allah?s commandments.

Some people, however, avoid living by these moral values. They are strongly unwilling to submit fully to His stipulations. But seek to establish a model that will satisfy their own desires. To that end, they come up with various rules and principles of their own, and imagine that religion should also be compatible with these principles. They are willing to live by religious moral values only as far as these are compatible with their own standards and logic. Yet this is a grave error and deception, because true religious moral values are those revealed by Allah, not as interpreted and lived by human beings.

Salam

unknownuser

Excellent quote Bro Ahmed. All these metaphor arguments are a waste of time.
Allah gave examples for people to follow guidance, and they find all kinds of excuses to pretend they understand differently what is plain and clear, so that they can do what they wish... And Allah knows the tricks of humans... Closer to us than our "habl alwarid", and He knows what our nafs whispers to us...
Peace

Salam mate,

The Quran told us about those bro, and you feel that the message is for those who believe heart and soul in the Quran as the true and unchanged words of Allah

43- Have you seen him who takes his desires for his god? Will you then be a protector over him?

44- Or do you think that most of them do hear or understand? They are nothing but as cattle; nay, they are straying farther off from the path.

(43)
(44)

-> Now if they have a problem with the above, I guess they should take it directly to its Author when you give account if they believe they will ever give one, but I guess if they believe there is no account then they should not worry about anything and continue their eternal path of learning in this so called eternal life.

But I have to convey to them, that the same warning was repeated

Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?

(23)

-> Please pay much attention to ? left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)??, well, I guess this is what you expect from Allah for them after they insist on rejecting/manipulating the Quran as the last message and warning from our One and Only God, or do you think they deserve to be guided?

-> They do not be upset with the ones like us because as they know that I?m one who believes spiritually and physically that the Quran is the exact and preserved words of Allah, and because I believe in it as many do, they can?t really be upset with me. I?m not upset with them, I just conveye the Quran message to the public that clearly refute their nonsense

Salam mate

PS , for the people who has good morals and don?t believe in the Quran, I?m sorry for them, Allah told us in the Quran that the belief in the Quran is a requirement along with the good morals

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

Well, I guess to you your fairy tale ghosts which can never be verified, and to me the hidden thoughts/fantasies which are verified by every single human at all times.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

Well, I guess to you your fairy tale ghosts which can never be verified, and to me the hidden thoughts/fantasies which are verified by every single human at all times.

Peace

Now it is your turn to inform us how every human verified that Jinn are our egos

Salam

Tay

Peace Nabster, all,

You stated

May God leads us away from any dangerous nonsense...

I find it fascinating that folks such as yourself can label these understandings as dangerous nonsense and yet uphold the understanding that invisible creatures are roaming the Earth.

Further, you belittle the idea of "God being in and part of everything", yet offer no explanation to "And to God belongs the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is God?s presence."

Is that a metaphor?

5016 And We have created man and We know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than his jugular vein.

How about that one? Is it a metaphor or is God literally closer to us than the jugular vein? If it's a metaphor, then how do you explain it, and what gave you the authority to see it as a metaphor? If not, then God is certainly in and part of everything, right?

Peace,
Tay

unknownuser

peace tay

then God is certainly in and part of everything, right?

this metaphor is about God's omnipresence not that he's necessarily in and part of everything (could be, couldn't be) its not my place to assume that w/o 100% knowledge (no shot directed at you dear brother) Of course i can be very wrong

God bless

phoenix1

peace

Our soul is what connects us to God. Our soul is eternal, it never dies, it just moves on.
If you look at it, nothing dies. Everything is energy and energy never dies, it just changes from one form to another.
There is nothing lunatic and damaging about that. It's fact.

Tay

Peace Nabster,

You stated,

So when a man dies part of God dies with him!

No. As Phoenix stated, nothing really dies. The energy that we call the human body decays and re-manifests. But the animating energy of that human body leaves the confines of the material, "and to God is it's return".

I thought this was settled by the Quran once and for all when Allah admonished the Christians about the trinity belief!

Trinity and unity are not the same.

We and all the Universes are but projections of Allah's will.

Then where is Allah? How can Allah be closer than the jugular vein, yet not be within? Isn't the jugular vein in the middle of the throat? Whether you see this symbolically or literally, the picture is still the same.

How can a Creator be a part of His creature, it does not make sense even logically

The universe coming from nothing does not make sense logically. Yet here we are. I am not a slave to logic, despite your ramblings. But the universe was created with a logical construct that exists within the fabric of the divine energy. We were given a logical mind to understand the logical constructs, and a spiritual compass to grasp what transcends logic. Logically, the big bang was the beginning of the end of the last big bang, ad infinitum. Spiritually, this is it.

Omnipresent Present everywhere simultaneously.
Omniscient One having total knowledge.
Omnipotent Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful

Now tell me, Nabster, how can God hold these attributes if God is not everywhere? Please save your outrage and present an argument.

By the way I am a symbolist and a literalist

Excellent.

either taken to their extremes can be at best nonsensical and at worst lunacy and very damaging.

I agree.

Peace,
Tay

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Nabster, read my article on this

http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5371.msg79533#msg79533

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Yes, in 2115 He clearly says He is everywhere. Only the All is unimaginable, the infinite All, to give God a position, place or form and so on is biblical nonsense.....God is not out there somewhere......God is everywhere, closer then our jugular vein, as everything is made out of Him, none can escape Him...

unknownuser

Dudes you are using up words made up by humans using logic made up by humans basing it on experience felt by humans, and Allah tells you He is different from everything you ever could imagine...

See bro, this is what Iblis is doing with them, he is fooling them to say on Allah what they don't know, this is Haram bro, and consequently it is considered a crime by Allah, here it is bro so no one say I made something Haram while it is not

Say My Lord has only prohibited indecencies, those of them that are apparent as well as those that are concealed, and sin and rebellion without justice, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down any authority, and that you say against Allah what you do not know.

(33)

Let?s analyse this crystal clear verse just in case it is hard for some

-> The verse starts by telling Mohammad to Say ? Say My Lord has only prohibited?, clearly the word used ?Harram?, i.e. ? prohibited ?, now here is what is Haram as read from this crystal clear verse

? ?, ? indecencies, those of them that are apparent as well as those that are concealed?
? ?, ? and sin?
? ?, ? and rebellion without justice?
? ?, ? and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down any authority?
? ?, ? and that you say against Allah what you do not know.?

Now please tell me bro, how bloody plain is that?, come on, they bloody claim to have understood the Quran, hmmm, why they don?t understand the above then?, I can?t believe this bro, this is sort of they are trying hard to look smart, ok guys before you try to look smart here it is again, what Allah said that is HARAM from 733

? ?, ? and that you say against Allah what you do not know.?

Good night bro

arnoldyasin

Peace,

To God belong the East and the West. Wherever you turn the face/presence of God is everywhere All-pervading is He and all-knowing.

unknownuser

God is everywhere, closer then our jugular vein,

Cool, that is what Allah said in the Quran so you have added nothing new and I appluade you for that

as everything is made out of Him,

Now I have a problem, did Allah say that about Himself?,

I think that He only said that He blowed into the humans from Rohihi, I never read that He did the same with everything, but if He did, would that mean that everything is made out of Him?, or just blowed into them out of Him?, i.e. they existed as deads before the blow was executed, don't you agree?, now we have a serious problem

if you are baseing your statement that everything is made out of Him on the blow, well how they were made out then before the blow?

but if you mean that everything is made BY Him, i would have agreed with you because this is what Allah said, so we have added nothing new

none can escape Him...

Cool, He said that about Himslef

now may i ask you, why you are saying things against Allah that you don't know? 733

Cheers

arnoldyasin

Read 2115 again.............

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Nabster, you come with a weird story about me not liking the biblical description and what else, and you say i cannot say the things i say on God. If you read my article which i doubt you did, i clearly say you cannot describe God, as God is beyond grasp. And if i made the wrong assumption, then i take it back. But next time don't 'analysis'....this is not meant in a angry way, funny that you took it like that...

Peace bro

Tay

Peace All,

Nabster, you stated

you are using up words made up by humans using logic made up by humans basing it on experience felt by humans, and Allah tells you He is different from everything you ever could imagine...

then Ahmed said

this is what Iblis is doing with them, he is fooling them to say on Allah what they don't know, this is Haram

Now when Arnold clarified for you by quoting 2115, he showed you that these are not man-made concepts but directly from the Qur'an

To God belong the East and the West. Wherever you turn the face/presence of God is everywhere All-pervading is He and all-knowing.

Ahmed's reply?

that is what Allah said in the Quran so you have added nothing new and I appluade you for that

hypno

2115 clearly says God is everywhere, all-pervading, and you guys agree. We all agree. So what's the problem?

Peace,
Tay

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Yes, nabster i understand you. I have my reasons to see what i see, just as you. It doesn't matter if you believe sjeitan to be the evil side of man or a real entity, both sides are warned with the same words, and both want the same results from the Quran, to have paradise on earth and in the next life, the small difference will not disturb that same goal. The beauty of the Quran is that it inspires all people of all levels and backgrounds...

arnoldyasin

Peace Bro
And of course you know that there are serious scientific studies in the paranormal which try to account for and find out about strange phenomena, including what they call ghosts, and telepathy, telekinesis, fire-starting etc (btw i do not believe in ghosts, i think they are jinns)...
There are many agencies who have tried to look into these matters to see if they can get advantages for themselves, witness psychics like Uri Geller who made millions finding oil deposits for oil companies...
Salam
Nabster

Peace,

I have studied higher physics and now also psychology together with theology. Most 'sightings' are subconciousness powers that are 'thrown out, like poltergeists are for 90% connected with adolesences which is a strange connection as almost all were youngsters with a lot of anger. Quantum physics show that we have more powers then we know, al though it has limits, but our mind really can affect objects, so a lot are believing it are the youngsters who subconciously are moving the objects. Next to that, most ghost-sightings are just electro-magnetic fields which influence the mind, and people think they see things. Also things as shadows and rays of energy can be seen as 'beings' while it is just the brain who is trying to interpretate what it sees. Do you know the 'what do you see in these inkblots'?

Telepathy has to do with Quantum physics, as well people as uri geller who are just more sensetive for the Quantum field level and can 'read' information out of it, while they themselves don't even know how. Then you have just the none proven fables, which are still spread on earth, and people just want to believe those. To understand more on what you above said, please read my article so you understand better

http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5417.0

There ar eno miracles or 'entities', just misunderstood science and psychology of the human mind. The biggest fooler is your own mind....

Peace bro...

unknownuser

As always thank you Ahmed for the evidence which is plain and clear. I will never in my wildest dreams try and describe Allah, I cannot...

or trying to know why He did whatever, unless He told us Himself why

Salam bro

arnoldyasin

Peace,

I don't understand your post, as you say exactly what i say. The discoveries of those famous scientists showed that there were no miracles, and that every step can be explained true normal gained knowledge. So in the future things will be discovered which are now thought to be impossible; so then it are no miracles, yes? It is just misunderstood or unknown science, and psychology of the human mind making a twist.

What does this has to do with inspiration? creativity? And what is the Creator warning me about what i don't believe? There is not one thing in the Quran i don't believe, the only thing is that YOU and ME approach things differently. So it is not that i don't believe God, no no, that is not the case, i don't use YOUR approach, that is the situation here. So please don't take your 'warnings' too far, as this is your truth, not mine.

Inspirations and creativity comes from dreams, observations and hard long thinking, not from believing in 'miracles' or superstition. Creativity and spirituality comes from within.

You say in your earlier post how science proves a lot of things, but you ignore one side of science which shows that these things are mostly human made things, not 'miracles' or 'ghosts'.

I don't pick and choose from what i accept from science, and i can only see what my knowledge and insight allows me, as do you. Let's accept we see things differently and keep the peace...

Peace bro