Translation of `Jinn`
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Peace
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peace
you dont see angels and jinns because they are a test of faith, if you saw them there would be nothing to believe and everything would be pointless. It's like if everybody could see God wouldn't they all believe?
Exactly
I can't believe those literalists who can't believe that they are hidden creatures as Allah told us
for them you should see what exists, well do they see God?
as you said bro it is all about testing the faith
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Peace True Blue
Allah says in the Quran that the day a community will see Angels, that means their time of reckoning has come. This does not fit with the idea that Angels are not real beings. We will certainly see Angels at the time of our death.
PS I will not argue about Jinns as I got slapped by a mod about it...Again bro, how those clear cut literalists can't see the verse you are talking about?
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Peace
Can I ask bro, why you are logging in as a guest?
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peace Ahmed,
Exactly
I can't believe those literalists who can't believe that they are hidden creatures as Allah told us
for them you should see what exists, well do they see God?
as you said bro it is all about testing the faith
Cheers
I see God, and I see God. Both literally and metaphorically.
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peace Ahmed,
Exactly
I can't believe those literalists who can't believe that they are hidden creatures as Allah told us
for them you should see what exists, well do they see God?
as you said bro it is all about testing the faith
Cheers
I see God, and I see God. Both literally and metaphorically.
Peace bro
I think you mean metaphorically only because Allah can't be seen for real yet, no human sae Him for real yet
Salam
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Good bro, then seeing Him is a metaphor only not literal
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and how does not having invisible beings to blindly believe in make everything pointless?
........arrogance ......., who said i 'blindly believe' .......thats right anything YOU dont agree with is blind belief right? you are just as close-minded as the sunnis, you just live under a different label. Don't confuse your point of view with the truth...
if you could prove to me (without abusing the Quran i.e. taking it out of context to fit your point of view) that these beings don't exist, i'd be more than happy to believe
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peace Imran
actually, when people have no reason to believe in something except their interpretation of a book, that is blind belief.
How exactly do I prove that they DON'T exist. I've never seen them, never heard them, never felt them, not even a faint sign of them. And what beings are we talking about anyway?
angels? those things with wings that live in clouds? well, the quran never mentions them. Malaika=controllers
jinn? those things that eat animal dung and live in holes? well, the quran never mentions them either. Jinn=hiddenI say blind because I see no evidence. You bring evidence, and I'll admit that their is something to these invisible creatures. That's how it works.
I'm not confusing anything. You are the one bringing muslim and christian mythology into the quran.
It's not even a matter of agreeing or disagreeing for me, because you are just giving us your beliefs and opinions. If there is no evidence, I have no reason to even consider that argument (especially when it makes no sense).
And yes, I know. I am arrogant and I have no faith.
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Peace be upon you,
The God expects us to be able to prove God's system. Because an aspect of our being is HIDDEN, it does not mean it is unproveable. Our thoughts are hidden, but we all have thoughts that shape our behavior. And "religion" is about behavior shaping so certainly our thoughts are a big part of this system.
Blind faith in unproveable beings has no place in this. Thats not a test of faith but a test of guilibility.
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Good bro, then seeing Him is a metaphor only not literal
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I have seen god literaaly, he is New Phrophet sent by Him amongst us.
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I've never seen them, never heard them, never felt them, not even a faint sign of them
i will leave you two to amuse yourselves and boost your egos....i hope it makes you feel better to call me gullible.... whatever helps you sleep at night..... so have you seen God? What does he looks like? have you ever heard 'him'? 'felt' (physically as you applied) him?
Blind faith in unproveable beings has no place in this. Thats not a test of faith but a test of guilibility.
by that rationale the existence of God is a test of gullibility?
since you ask for evidence, show me PHYSICAL evidence of God also show me PHYSICAL evidence of your hidden side
p.s. i dont believe blindly in this book, there are more than enough ayahs in it to prove to me that it's divine....
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peace
no... thats not what i said, you are asking for PHYSICAL evidence of jinns, i asked you for PHYSICAL evidence of God as in has anyone seen God....
you are saying that you see no signs (ayahs) of God around you?
to answer your question, of course i do, i just think you are being hypocrital in 'we want physical evidence of the jinns ! and NO faith must be involved, faith is blind !'
yet to believe in God you MUST have faith because no-one has seen him or heard him, not anyone alive today anyway....
But let me get this straight you dont believe in Jinns because you haven't seen them or heard them, but you believe you have a hidden side that you have physically not seen?
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peace Imran,
It's not only that I havn't seen invisible beings (that's why they're invisible, no?), it's that I listen to all views and follow the best, and jinn being ghost like beings isn't the best understanding, IMO. That's all.
Faith is fine, but faith should be based on reason. God has given us the ability to think for a reason. It's not there to be ignored.
There is a hidden side to me. We can all experience our thoughts and emotions. -
peace waleed
it's that I listen to all views and follow the best
really? waleed come on you don't honestly believe that do you? Everything i have uttered you say regarding this is to ensure your understanding ...not 'listen to all the views'
About the jinn issue read chapter 72 are those your hidden sides? thats right those are different jinns right? oh right because you haven't seen such creatures so they must be?
About the angels
351 Praise be to God, Initiator of the heavens and the Earth; maker of the Angels as messengers with wings in two's, and three's, and four's. He increases in the creation as He wishes. God is able to do all things.
jinn being ghost like beings isn't the best understanding, IMO.
it isn't because thats what you've told yourself ALREADY.
Faith is fine, but faith should be based on reason.
my faith is based on absolute reason. I try to question everything, I like to follow Abraham's formula....
I am just saying that if you believe in the Quran as the word of God you cannot possibly explain the jinns as anything other than 'hidden beings' , well you can if you ignore some verses.... If you are saying that everything must be verified in the quran and you will only believe what you can verify more power to you, i have received more than enough evidence in this world as well as my life to be assured that the Quran in its entirety is the word of God, but to each his own. And I don't live in a black and white world.
And you are picking and choosing because you say that the creation of jinns are allegorical but creation of man isn't? they are mentioned beside each other a lot, so why is one metaphoric and the other not? Why aren't you applying the same formula all the time? Which do you pick as metaphors and which verses are literal? whats the formula?
Bottomline to find the truth you must use the exact same formula 100% of the time, otherwise you will find what you want to find
Anyways, initially my comment about faith in angels/jinns was intended for those who believe them to be beings not metaphors, like i said 'each his own' but unlike you i wont call anyone a 'blind believer' I will let God be the judge of that....