Translation for `Insaan/Bashar`
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I don't know brother but how about
Mankind = Bashar
Human = Insan
or possibly swap around
Just an idea
Salam
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I do not think the literal English language differentiates between the two terms it uses human for bashar, but also uses humanities for . Roughly mankind , human , unless you want to revert to higher anthropological terms such as Neanderthal for bashar and Homo Sapiens for insaan. Or simply primitive man and modern man/humans.
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Peace Layth,
I see that you've come across that distinction too.
I've read a book titled 'Abi Adam' by al-Azhar scholar Abdusshabur Syahin, and he mentioned that 'basyar' refers to the physical aspect of humans while 'insan' is the spiritual aspect. Also, Syahin hinted that other translators translate 'basyar' as 'mortal' and 'insan' as 'man'. But these might not be precise enough.
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Peace Andya,
I am of the undertsanding that Bashar is the general word for our species (i.e. Homosapiens) while Insaan is only applicable after the perfection of Adam.
I.e. we are all Bashar, but not all Bashar are Insaan.
I have read the book by AbdulSaboor. It was the first work that alerted me to the subtle difference as well as the harmony between the theory of evolution and the reality of creation.
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Peace Layth,
Good to see I'm not the only one in the world that has read Syahin's work! Although still coming from a traditionalist background, he managed to shake off a lot of hadith- and Israiliyat-based ideas around the story of human creation according to the Qur'an.
So far Ahmed's suggestion is the best one. I'm tempted to use the scientific term hominin for 'basyar' but I don't think people can accept that all hominins are/were basyar.
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Salaams layth,andya,all,
Kana alnnasu ommatan wahidatanfabaAAatha Allahu alnnabiyyeena mubashshireenawamunthireena waanzala maAAahumu alkitaba bialhaqqiliyahkuma bayna alnnasi feemaikhtalafoo feehi wama ikhtalafa feehi illa allatheenaootoohu min baAAdi ma jaat-humu albayyinatubaghyan baynahum fahada Allahu allatheena amanoolima ikhtalafoo feehi mina alhaqqi bi-ithnihiwaAllahu yahdee man yashao ila siratinmustaqeemin
Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guided whom He will to a path that is
Ma kana libasharin anyu/tiyahu Allahu alkitaba waalhukmawaalnnubuwwata thumma yaqoola lilnnasikoonoo AAibadan lee min dooni Allahi walakinkoonoo rabbaniyyeena bima kuntum tuAAallimoonaalkitaba wabima kuntum tadrusoona
It is not (possible) that a man, to whom is given the Book, and Wisdom, and the prophetic office, should say to people "Be ye my worshippers rather than Allah's" on the contrary (He would say) "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all For ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly."
Bashar
Who give tidings and the message given to them by Allah, who give assurances, are bountiful , those who give something new to/for people.Creation
Malaikaat first , jinns second, insane (Adam being the first) third and Bashar fourth (even Adam was a Bashar also as he passed a message ) after receiving something to pass on/ to declare.Where does it say or imply Bashar came first or that it is a general word for our species in the quran-the book?
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simple,
Defining with just 2 verses?--your analysis is too simple . But my opinions are mostly based on a translated version of Syahin's book, so I might not grasp his whole idea.
maybe we need to list all occurences of Basyar and Insan in the Arabic text, and then start refining our definitions.
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Salaams andya,
Please try
http//www.openburhan.com/ob_main_frame.htmland see what i meant.
you can get all ayah's at the flick of a switch.
Salaams.
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Salaam Simple
Ba/sha/reh (also bashar epiderm) is the root of all derived words.
bash/shar is derived from bishr (derived from ba/sha/reh) to tell the news (good or bad). But since both words come from the same root, bashar is before mubahshir, but it took its meaning form on older one (bashar first layer of the skin = epiderm).Most derived words will relate to the meaning of "first" as in bashar first human; tabaashiir beginnings of any thing morning, winter, palms when they first bear dates...
Bashar (verb) means to tell news (bad or good), which will usually be for the first time, so we see the relation between bashar (epiderm) and to be the first to tell the news (both being first). -
Hello all
In arabic Bashara is only used for good news, the opposite of it is "Anzara" and the Quran used both words together many times
Salam
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Bashar (verb) means to tell news (bad or good)
The examples of "bash-shara" with good news are many. As for bash-shara with bad news, there are many verses
1658 " and if one was given the bad tidings of the birth of a female, his face blakens and he is filled with inward grief".
1659 "He hides from the people because of the bad news he was informed "
317; 458 "..so announce to him a painful torment
934; 8424; 458 "..so announce to them a painful tornment "
Also look up 4138; 93; 437 -
Bashar (verb) means to tell news (bad or good)
The examples of "bash-shara" with good news are many. As for bash-shara with bad news, there are many verses
1658 " and if one was given the bad tidings of the birth of a female, his face blakens and he is filled with inward grief".
1659 "He hides from the people because of the bad news he was informed "
317; 458 "..so announce to him a painful torment
934; 8424; 458 "..so announce to them a painful tornment "
Also look up 4138; 93; 437Peace
While I decided not to direct a comment to you, I believe I had to do this one
Now we are talking without manipulations
I accept your point above, sorry for my previous comment
People can only shut me using the literal Quran, other than than my mouth will stay active
Cheers
