Djenna & Gehenna; explanation

unknownuser

Hello Pubic

The word Gehenna does not exist in the Quran, so I don't really know what all this was about, oh well, it was about something

Cheers

Alen

Salaam.

Wonderful and educational post, Arnie.
I will have to reread it again because it is fascinating.
I also have to translate it to my language so i can share it with others, here in Slovenia. They have much to learn.

May Allah Most Powerful bless us all.
Salaam.

arnoldyasin

Peace,

AB

Transliteration 2206 Wa-itha qeela lahu ittaqi Allahaakhathat-hu alAAizzatu bial-ithmi fahasbuhujahannamu walabi/sa almihadu
Arabic
Arabic Text 2206

Transliteration 312 Qul lillatheena kafaroo satughlaboonawatuhsharoona ila jahannama wabi/sa almihadu
Arabic
Arabic Text 312

The term Gehenna/Jahannam occurs dozens of times.........

unknownuser

Peace,

AB

Transliteration 2206 Wa-itha qeela lahu ittaqi Allahaakhathat-hu alAAizzatu bial-ithmi fahasbuhujahannamu walabi/sa almihadu
Arabic
Arabic Text 2206

Transliteration 312 Qul lillatheena kafaroo satughlaboonawatuhsharoona ila jahannama wabi/sa almihadu
Arabic
Arabic Text 312

The term Gehenna/Jahannam occurs hundreds of times.........

Peace bro

I do have eye problems but I'm not blind bro

the word that exist is jahanam the other word you are suggesting does not exist and never used once in the quran, why you dropped the Mim at the end?, this is not honest bro

also bro the word appears 77 times only in the quran not hundreds as you are suggesting

cheers

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Gehenna is greek, and Jahannam is arabic/hebrew. I corrected this in the first explanation of the word in my article so there will be no more mix ups. I will change them all to Jahannam so to stop any confusion.

And i hope your eyes will get better bro....

unknownuser

Peace,

Gehenna is greek, and Jahannam is arabic/hebrew. I corrected this in the first explanation of the word in my article so there will be no more mix ups. I will change them all to Jahannam so to stop any confusion.

And i hope your eyes will get better bro....

I'm sorry i edited my comment and asked you another question

cheers

arnoldyasin

Peace,

It was just an expression.......

unknownuser

Peace,

It was just an expression.......

ok, sorry then

cheers

nadeem

Hi Arnold,

A great post. Very informative and shows your high level of knowledge.

I'm not entirely convinced but leaning towards the intrepretation with an open mind.

You have a lot of knowledge about the devolopments of religions and their ideas. How did you get this knowledgde? Can you recommend a certain book og website?

Thanks ! )

Nadeem

arnoldyasin

Peace,

I got hundreds of books on all subjects, so to point one is a bit hard. I will PM you a list that maybe will help you a bit. And for the rest, i study Theology....

phoenix1

peace Yasin,
great article. I'll try to find some inconsistencies.
bravo

arnoldyasin

rotfl at least you take the effort to write them down

phoenix1

peace
I was being serious. And there was no pun of any kind intended.

unknownuser

Salam Arnold

Just a simple question bro and I hope you give me a simple answer

Is Jahannam for you a place where the Kafiroon will be barbecued or it is a state of mind?

Thanks

CavemanDoctor

Peace arnold.

Great article. I have very similar thoughts, as we've talked about before. I have taken many notes and scribbled thoughts down that I will make into an article in the near future, except if God wills. Hopefully that article can be read as a complementary piece to yours, for a fuller understanding.

After I formulate my thoughts into an actual written piece, I'll be in touch with you about it.

Peace.

unknownuser

Interesting article Arnold.

I've had my doubts about Janna and Jahannam being physical places for many years. But I never dared to speak my thoughts for fear of being labeled a heretic. In fact, ALL the "mutashabih" verses in the Reading are allegorical/metaphoric.

However, despite this, I still believe that there will be an afterlife. Even Einstein believed in an afterlife because, as he once stated "Energy can never die "..

Do you believe in the afterlife, Arnold?

P.S. CavemanDoctor your avatar is cool )

arnoldyasin

Salam Arnold

Just a simple question bro and I hope you give me a simple answer

Is Jahannam for you a place where the Kafiroon will be barbecued or it is a state of mind?

Thanks

Peace,

God says clearly that it are allegories, so no, i don't believe they will be barbequed. If you take the fire literaly, you also have to take Jahannam literaly, this would mean that all the people of hell would end up south of Jerusalem in the valley of Jahannam. That would be one crowded valley then. That is the thing, you cannot take the fire literaly, as then you also have to take the position of Jahannam seriously. It are states of mind, but i do believe that after death it will be felt as an agony, as people will be confronted with the truth, which will be felt as 'burning of the heart'.

4715
Here is the parable/allegory of the paradise which the righteous have been promised it has rivers the water of which will never be stagnant, rivers of milk whose taste never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it they will have all kinds of fruits, as well as forgiveness from their Lord. Can such people be compared to those who shall dwell in hell forever, and they will be given scalding water which will cut their intestines into pieces?

In allegorical terms the Paradise that the righteous are promised is this Therein are rivers of ever fresh water, and rivers of ever fresh milk, and rivers of delicious wine, and rivers of clear-run honey. Therein are all kinds of fruit (of their good deeds), with a life secure from deterioration bestowed upon them from their Lord. Are they like the ones who abide in the Fire and are given drinks of burning despair that tears their insides? ('Maghfirah' here denotes protection from deterioration).

arnoldyasin

Interesting article Arnold.

I've had my doubts about Janna and Jahannam being physical places for many years. But I never dared to speak my thoughts for fear of being labeled a heretic. In fact, ALL the "mutashabih" verses in the Reading are allegorical/metaphoric.

However, despite this, I still believe that there will be an afterlife. Even Einstein believed in an afterlife because, as he once stated "Energy can never die "..

Do you believe in the afterlife, Arnold?

P.S. CavemanDoctor your avatar is cool )

Peace,

If you read carefully, you would have seen i said many times that there is as much Djenna and Gehenna in this life as the NEXT life. Yes, i do believe in the next life. Look halfway down my article to a link, it will show you a small article about the scientific proof for the afterlife...

unknownuser

Salam Arnold

Just a simple question bro and I hope you give me a simple answer

Is Jahannam for you a place where the Kafiroon will be barbecued or it is a state of mind?

Thanks

Peace,

God says clearly that it are allegories, so no, i don't believe they will be barbequed.

So Jahannam mentioned in the Quran does not exist for real, right?

If you take the fire literaly, you also have to take Jahannam literaly,

Excuse me bro, I'm noot taling about fire here, I'm only talking about Jahannam, if jahannam has fire and freezing cold and many other things that is a differnt story so please stay on the subject of my question, thanks

this would mean that all the people of hell would end up south of Jerusalem in the valley of Jahannam.

excuse me again bro, did the Quran say that Jahannam is a valley south of Jerusalem ?

That would be one crowded valley then.

well you will have an argument when you prove that the Quran said Jahannam is a valley south of Jerusalem, however didn't you read in the Quran that Allah will replace this earth with another earth on the JD, now I ask you mate, how do you know that Jerusalem will exist on the new earth on the JD?

That is the thing,

well, it was one funny thing,

you cannot take the fire literaly, as then you also have to take the position of Jahannam seriously.

I appreciate your humor, now please tell you were not serious?

It are states of mind,

Did the Quran say that?

but i do believe that after death it will be felt as an agony, as people will be confronted with the truth, which will be felt as 'burning of the heart'.

ok, so the heart will burn but the skin will not burn, right?

also do you think Jahannam is hot only or hot and cold?

4715
Here is the parable/allegory of the paradise which the righteous have been promised it has rivers the water of which will never be stagnant, rivers of milk whose taste never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it they will have all kinds of fruits, as well as forgiveness from their Lord. Can such people be compared to those who shall dwell in hell forever, and they will be given scalding water which will cut their intestines into pieces?

In allegorical terms the Paradise that the righteous are promised is this Therein are rivers of ever fresh water, and rivers of ever fresh milk, and rivers of delicious wine, and rivers of clear-run honey. Therein are all kinds of fruit (of their good deeds), with a life secure from deterioration bestowed upon them from their Lord. Are they like the ones who abide in the Fire and are given drinks of burning despair that tears their insides? ('Maghfirah' here denotes protection from deterioration).

so the word mathal at the start of the verse meant for you that the whole verse is a parable, right?

arnoldyasin

Peace,

AB, i believe in jahannam, but not in the traditional approach. I do believe it is a state of agony which will be felt when they are confronted with the truth. As for jahannam. Where do you think the name came from? Why God uses the term Jahannam? The definition didn't come out of the air, it was an already known parable in the middle east. And didn't you read my article where i quoted the verse that says the earth will be created a new? Yes, i see the parable talking about the whole verse.

This parable is compared
The Paradise's allegory which the fearing and obeying were promised in it, (is) rivers from water not stagnant , and rivers from milk, its taste did not change, and rivers from wine/all intoxicants, (it is a) delight/pleasure to the drinking , and rivers from purified/strained honey/molasses , and for them in it (are) from all the fruits, and forgiveness from their Lord,
With this parable
as/like who he is immortal/eternal in the fire , and they were made to drink hot/cold water , so it cut off/severed their intestines/guts.

I know you don't agree with me AB, your approach is different then mine. You cannot stay professional and always give personal comments which is disturbing the discussion to be objective and productive. So i'll not answer you, except when i see something productive to discuss in your posts.

Peace