You Have Been Warned

Heart

Peace
Ahmed's personal view is The View! I know it is attractive to want everything to be intellectualised and sanitised, but look around you, and read the Quran without filters, what awaits us on the other side will be as real as what is real now. Philiosphising about that and the nature of reality is a complete waste of time and energy.
Better focus on how to improve the world and eliminate wars, poverty and misery.
Allah will never ever help us if we keep on fighting each other.
Philosophers are losers...
Noble

Peace Noble,

Because you may share the same view as Ahmed doesn't automatically mean Ahmed is right and that others feel the same way about it. It's just his personal view which doesn't say much since we all have to examine the Quran for ourselfs and discuss our foundings with each other so that we can broaden our view. So the comment that 'philosophers are losers' is actually a very ignorant remark if I may say so. Philosophing is actually very important!

peace

Heart

unknownuser

That was hilarious dude, the cacodemons cracked me up,

good you liked it, I hope you get the message though

copyright infringement at it's finest (thumbs up).

do you mean I violated the copyright or you just wanted to look smart?

If this is the future of movies,count me in.

well, I learnt how to do movies using flash just to humiliate the nemy of Islamm and my personal cyber enemies, it is not a job that feed me really, it's a hobby, however I always thought that my enemy will learn flash and will compete with me so i boght Adobe After Effect just to have the upper hand if they get into the movies however they never did, a bunch of losers they are, I even offered them to teach them flash and they were like dumbs, anyway, i had a lot of fun doinmg this movie and this is good enough for me, I have about 500 movies to show you if you like some x rated movies

Final boss from silent hill 3
would have been finishing touch.

look mate, I don't make movies to sell them, I make then to either humiliate or educate others

But isn't music haram since you seem to express sunni views?

well I say that the sunni express some of my views, I don't follow anyone but the Quran so to call me a sunni or sort of a sunni is false and only shows your premature judgments

and what do you mean it's hard to understand?

understand its beauty, would that hard for you to understand?

my little sister listens to techno,

I don't give a fluke really oif she does

two years damn..

I'm a slow learner

they would behead you in saudi for playing music with the quran

good I will post the movie on many sunni forum then, do you think I'm scared of the saudis?, here is what will prove you wrong, f*k the saudi king

Cheers

unknownuser

Peace
Thank you Ahmed

No worries bro, i hope you enjoyed, I tried to simulate the verses as much as possible, i do like this movie bro, my time was not watsed Alhamdullellah

Cheers

unknownuser

Salam.

Excellent post, Ahmed, truly exceptional.
Thanks and may Allah Most Powerful reward you with Paradise.

As you know, i'm also a director and in the near future i may also direct a small movie about islam here in Slovenia. Of course, i'd love to do a big-budget movie in Hollywood about islam but, insha'Allah, Allah Most Powerful will help me, i rely on HIM alone.

Good luck.
Salam.

Cheers mate, it was ahard work indeed but enjoyed every second of it, yeh man we canmake a lot of movies using the Quran, this is how I see the Quran message fitting in year 2006, we use what the people like "Movies and music" to spread the Quran message

Cheers

Heart

Peace AB,

May I say that your view of hell is very scary? Some people need that fear to keep theirselfs motivated to be or stay good, cause they don't want to be punished (nor feel any phsyical/mental pain). Others (I for example) keep motivated by the love that they feel (paradise) inside and is therefore easier to stay good, because they feel peace.
I don't share the same view as you since I believe in a merciful, gracious and forgiving God. The way you describe hell is like you're saying that God is a tyrant. Like we're forced into believing in Him while God claims in the Quran that there is no compulsion in religion. God preaches LOVE, not violence. So I don't believe in a physical hell since I believe in a merciful and gracious God.

peace

Heart

unknownuser

Someoen has deleted a comment in this thread directed to Adole and Magi

now this is rediculous indeed

you can't take free speech hey

again what I said to them was based on the Quran that while they are now showing bravery against God, if what is in the Quran is 100% right then on the JD both of them will do nothing but crying hard, this is what the Quran told us and the verse was in the movie

now I give the admin my permission to delete the above comment but I hope the admin shows bravery and tell us why my comment was deleted and not staying anonymous

Cheers

Zantetsuken

I apologize man, i shouldnt have replied under influence. I just thought I remember you mentioned hadiths last time so it seemed kind of ironic when i remembered the hadith that gold will be pourn into your ears for listening to music, it just gets me in a bad mood when i think of those, and people that pick and choose which hadith to believe based on what they want

unknownuser

Peace AB,

Peace mate

May I say that your view of hell is very scary?

I?m sorry, it is not my view, it is the Quran view hence it is Allah view

The descriptions of Hell said by Allah can?t in no way contradict His great mercy for many logical reasons

If He will not punish the Kafiroon and the sinners then what was the whole bloody point then?
To state the punishment in advance is actually a message of mercy unlike many twisters who prefer to see it the contrary, I will give you a simple example

Imagine I have all the power over someone, i.e. that one is my slave , then I decided one day to test him with a tough test and in my mind will kill him if he fails the test, let?s assume the test is to run 2 miles in 5 minutes, here is the possibilities

I will not tell my salve at all that there will be any punishment and I will just kill him if he fails
I will only tell the slave that there will be a sort of punishment but will not tell him that I will kill him if he fails
I will tell the slave that I will kill him if he fails the test

Now please and logically speaking, which one of the above makes me the most merciful?

It has to be 3 because I told the truth to my slave and now it is up to my slave to pass or fail the test however knowing in advance that he will be dead if he fails will make him do his best to pass the test, I?m sure ANY HUMAN if put under this circumstances will do his/her best to pass the test, it is ironic that this is what will happen when a human have power over another human while with Allah they totally ignore the warning, those are the ones who can only believe in what they see, and because Allah is unseen they don?t take His warning seriously as they do with a powerful human whom they can see and hear., Allah clearly and irrefutably told us in advance that His punishment is going to be severe

Know that Allah is severe in punishment, but that Allah (also) is Forgiving, Merciful.

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-> See how it was told boldly ? Know that Allah is severe in punishment?, even it was said before ? but that Allah (also) is Forgiving, Merciful.?, those Allah will forgive them are those entitled to be forgiven, not randomly, the Quran is clear about whom that will be entitled to be forgiven

-> you know how many timed Allah told us that His punishment is going to be severe?, 14 times in the Quran, now I might ask you, how many times you think the humans need to be told that their God is severe in punishment before they believe it?, I tell you what, I only need it once to be told by Allah and that is enough for me to hear and obey.

Therefore Allah is 100% honest with us, He is not misleading us neither He will be a tyrant on us, everything we need to know to pass that test and avoid His severe punishment is sent to us by Him in His Quran, so He is 100% merciful, and ironically it is very easy to pass the test if the humans drop their egos against their God. And I tell you Allah does not like the arrogant.

Some people need that fear to keep theirselfs motivated to be or stay good,

So you put you statement smartly by using the word ?some?, i.e. there are others who can be motivated without fear, is there is any medical proof of that or just another philosophical propaganda?

cause they don't want to be punished (nor feel any phsyical/mental pain).

well, I don?t think this apply only to the some who need to fear to be motivated, I guess it applies to the others as well

Others (I for example) keep motivated by the love that they feel (paradise) inside and is therefore easier to stay good, because they feel peace.

Good for you, but I just could not make sense from the above really especially this bit ? keep motivated by the love that they feel (paradise)?, hmmm, I don?t know, can you please elaborate but with something logical not philosophical because I hate philosophy really, I actually used to be called one, lol that when I was in my teens and was very firm in my view as many here however by 21 I realized that philosophy is nothing but BS and is coming from Satan, so I totally avoid it now. So please if you would like to discuss anything with me and prove me wrong, I hope you bring Quran verses with you, cheers

I don't share the same view as you

I don?t expect that all shares the views of the literal Quran, but I know there is a new wave of views based on the philosophical Quran, which for me does not exist, possibly people are bored and looking for a change?

since I believe in a merciful, gracious and forgiving God.

well, so you wanted our God not to tell us how He is going to punish those who will deserve the punishment and juts take them by surprise?, does not make sense to me, this is tyrancy

Also who do you think will be entitled to forgiving? All humanity? Or the ones who deserve to be forgiven?, now I may ask you, do you know ?from the Quran please, not from buddah? who will be entitled to forgivness?

The way you describe hell is like you're saying that God is a tyrant.

Please stop manipulating/giving the wrong impression that what I stated in the movie is my descriptions, or I will corner you then expose your fallacies, to have merit in what you say prove to me first that the descriptions of hell in my movie is what I said not what Allah said, when you do that then we can take it from there.

Now a tyrant is one who don?t tell his people how he is going to punish them, he just take them by surprise, do you agree?

Like we're forced into believing in Him while God claims in the Quran that there is no compulsion in religion.

Exactly sir, now He has given us the freewill to believe or not, at the end of the day He told us that if you don?t believe this is what is going to happen because Allah ONLY CREATED us for that purpose, not to enjoy this life really.

So you have the freedom not to believe in Him and you know in advance that if His message is true then you will be barbecued, where is the compulsion then?,

for example a thief knows that he will go to jail if he steals, now is that compulsion for him "not to steal"?

God preaches LOVE, not violence. So I don't believe in a physical hell since I believe in a merciful and gracious God.

peace

Heart

So you don?t believe Allah in the Quran then, hence you are trying hard to find another meaning to His clear words, good for you, I hope you and me will be of those who deserve to be forgiven

Salam

unknownuser

I apologize man, i shouldnt have replied under influence. I just thought I remember you mentioned hadiths last time so it seemed kind of ironic when i remembered the hadith that gold will be pourn into your ears for listening to music, it just gets me in a bad mood when i think of those, and people that pick and choose which hadith to believe based on what they want

No wories bro, I love music man and I can't see anything wrong with it, what I see wrong is singing words that do not make sense, like "you're my heart, you're my soul" oh yeh, utter BS bro, especially when a homo singer sing this to a woman in his video clip, whole crap man, this is clear cut deception and ironically most people buy this deception I call singing with BS and unrealistic words "Laghaw Al hadith" an expression used in the Quran that truely means utter BS

Cheers man

unknownuser

Someoen has deleted a comment in this thread directed to Adole and Magi

now this is rediculous indeed

you can't take free speech hey

again what I said to them was based on the Quran that while they are now showing bravery against God, if what is in the Quran is 100% right then on the JD both of them will do nothing but crying hard, this is what the Quran told us and the verse was in the movie

now I give the admin my permission to delete the above comment but I hope the admin shows bravery and tell us why my comment was deleted and not staying anonymous

Cheers

prpoerbly because its you flashing your usual judgemental poppycock. You still fail to see that you own brain does the interpretation, and then you go on to think. that if that interpretation that feels so right, so logic to you it must be because its the be all end all truth. I trust God mate, but i dont trust you. You are snide and judgemental, so you may know the book word by word, but you sure as hell aint getting what its saying. Know the horse on the way it walks!

Peace

unknownuser

Someoen has deleted a comment in this thread directed to Adole and Magi

now this is rediculous indeed

you can't take free speech hey

again what I said to them was based on the Quran that while they are now showing bravery against God, if what is in the Quran is 100% right then on the JD both of them will do nothing but crying hard, this is what the Quran told us and the verse was in the movie

now I give the admin my permission to delete the above comment but I hope the admin shows bravery and tell us why my comment was deleted and not staying anonymous

Cheers

prpoerbly because its you flashing your usual judgemental poppycock. You still fail to see that you own brain does the interpretation, and then you go on to think. that if that interpretation that feels so right, so logic to you it must be because its the be all end all truth. I trust God mate, but i dont trust you. You are snide and judgemental, so you may know the book word by word, but you sure as hell aint getting what its saying. Know the horse on the way it walks!

Peace

Excuse me sir, this is not the reply i was expecting, hmmm, are you an admin?

Oh yeh back to our old tricks, bloody confuse the damn subject

Salam

Samia

Imagine I have all the power over someone, i.e. that one is my slave , then I decided one day to test him with a tough test and in my mind will kill him if he fails the test, let?s assume the test is to run 2 miles in 5 minutes, here is the possibilities

I will not tell my salve at all that there will be any punishment and I will just kill him if he fails
I will only tell the slave that there will be a sort of punishment but will not tell him that I will kill him if he fails
I will tell the slave that I will kill him if he fails the test

Now please and logically speaking, which one of the above makes me the most merciful?

To me, non of the above. To your slave, it depends how he views you. If he already loves you because you have been merciful and kind to him, he will do the running , and carry out any order, out of love. He will not take your threat literalily, and will think that you are just encouraging him to do this hard job. But if he hates you, he will still do the running, but to the nearest police station.

unknownuser

Imagine I have all the power over someone, i.e. that one is my slave , then I decided one day to test him with a tough test and in my mind will kill him if he fails the test, lets assume the test is to run 2 miles in 5 minutes, here is the possibilities

I will not tell my salve at all that there will be any punishment and I will just kill him if he fails
I will only tell the slave that there will be a sort of punishment but will not tell him that I will kill him if he fails
I will tell the slave that I will kill him if he fails the test

Now please and logically speaking, which one of the above makes me the most merciful?

To me, non of the above. To your slave, it depends how he views you. If he already loves you because you have been merciful and kind to him, he will do the running , and carry out any order, out of love. He will not take your threat literalily, and will think that you are just encouraging him to do this hard job. But if he hates you, he will still do the running, but to the nearest police station.

Sister Samia

I'm not discussing the matter from the slave perespective, I'm discussing it from my persepctive assuming THAT I MUST TEST HIM

Salam

unknownuser

Someoen has deleted a comment in this thread directed to Adole and Magi

now this is rediculous indeed

you can't take free speech hey

again what I said to them was based on the Quran that while they are now showing bravery against God, if what is in the Quran is 100% right then on the JD both of them will do nothing but crying hard, this is what the Quran told us and the verse was in the movie

now I give the admin my permission to delete the above comment but I hope the admin shows bravery and tell us why my comment was deleted and not staying anonymous

Cheers

prpoerbly because its you flashing your usual judgemental poppycock. You still fail to see that you own brain does the interpretation, and then you go on to think. that if that interpretation that feels so right, so logic to you it must be because its the be all end all truth. I trust God mate, but i dont trust you. You are snide and judgemental, so you may know the book word by word, but you sure as hell aint getting what its saying. Know the horse on the way it walks!

Peace

Excuse me sir, this is not the reply i was expecting, hmmm, are you an admin?

Oh yeh back to our old tricks, bloody confuse the damn subject

Salam

Peace

Im sorry, what seems to confuse you?

unknownuser

Someoen has deleted a comment in this thread directed to Adole and Magi

now this is rediculous indeed

you can't take free speech hey

again what I said to them was based on the Quran that while they are now showing bravery against God, if what is in the Quran is 100% right then on the JD both of them will do nothing but crying hard, this is what the Quran told us and the verse was in the movie

now I give the admin my permission to delete the above comment but I hope the admin shows bravery and tell us why my comment was deleted and not staying anonymous

Cheers

prpoerbly because its you flashing your usual judgemental poppycock. You still fail to see that you own brain does the interpretation, and then you go on to think. that if that interpretation that feels so right, so logic to you it must be because its the be all end all truth. I trust God mate, but i dont trust you. You are snide and judgemental, so you may know the book word by word, but you sure as hell aint getting what its saying. Know the horse on the way it walks!

Peace

Excuse me sir, this is not the reply i was expecting, hmmm, are you an admin?

Oh yeh back to our old tricks, bloody confuse the damn subject

Salam

Peace

Im sorry, what seems to confuse you?

nothing bro, just forget it, i hope you enjoyed the movie

Salam

phoenix1

I remember when I was motivated by fear. Thank God that is no longer the case.

I second that!

peace

jonny_k

Peace all,

Again with Jahannam, Allah clearly described it to us from the point we will be resurrected where the showtime of Jahannam will start, many descriptions indeed

1 ) Its 7 doors and each has its allocated portion of sinners
2 ) Its Keepers and one is named ?Malik?, all the hell keeper are strong and rough with the hell dwellers
3 ) Its dwellers are from the Ins and the Jinn
4 ) The Zaqum Tree and its description
5 ) The shirts made of fire
6 ) The Lave poured on the heads
7 ) The burning skin that being replaced then burn again
8 ) The dialogues between the hell dwellers and its keepers
9 ) The dialogues between the hell dwellers and the Garden dwellers
10 ) The wish of the hell dwellers to die
11 ) The many escape trial they try then they brought back into hell
12 ) The arguments between the hell dwellers and other hell dwellers
13 ) The Garden dwellers looking physically on the some of the hell dwellers that they knew on earth
14 ) The desperation of the hell dwellers for water and for the decrease in punishment
15 ) And many more

How the hell, the hell can not be a real place and the One Who is telling all the above about it is the one who created it and is our only God?, isn?t His witness enough for those?

JK- Yes these are exactly the points i recall from reading the Quran over and over again. Thats why i wondered why anyone could come up saying heaven and hell are not TWO WORLDS/two environments/two matrices where one fells pain or enjoys. Brohter Arnold as a scientist knows the concept of Occam's Razor. I asked him to apply this on the text as well. People usually do not apply Occam's Razor to scripture which somehow bothers me. I believe even if your brought up in a neutral Arab enviroment , then read the Quran ull understand heaven and hell to be two separate places. Anyone who wants to do a real scientific study can do this with a group of people. Ofcourse one out of 100 may think differently but here we go for the more probable in the end. Testing just one person is obviously not enough. If the oppsoite shows up, id be surprised. GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "idolfree",

Peace be upon you,

I remember when I was motivated by fear. Thank God that is no longer the case.

JK- The fear for hell is not necessarily meant to be for a believer. Actually this is to give the believers comfort. Dont you fell bad that the bmillionaires and billionaires out there continue to kill, loot and rape because they do not believe in GOD and/or are hypocrites should be punished severely? Dont you think that they should fell the pain? I feel they do and it is only fair if they did. I see these verses both as an encouragement and also to remain on the right path which is a normal reaction. Moreover fear of GOD is emphasized in the Quran. Mankind are rational beings and they do whatever they do because of the consequences which theyd otherwise face be they direct or indirect. If i would be ultimately punished to do a good deed i would never do it, and remember that even good deeds are relative i.e. what we may think to be good is not necessarily so. Scientific experience has lead to a lot of realization of whts good and not. For example long ago it was alright to have sex with sisters. Then the law changed because of the genetic mutations. I had a long discussion on this with bro ARnold at http//19.org/forum/index.php/t/5847/222/ Please read it. GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace bro "Ahmed Bahgat",
The flash representation was very nice. However i suggest you add a scene which shows when the people are burned to ashes, how GOD clothes them with new skin. ou mentioned the verse but although i waited for that scene it didnt occur. This is a very important factor and distinguishes this from other punishments. Infact ive never seen any movie showing people being burnt over and over again. Please add that scene. GOD Bless!

arnoldyasin

Peace all,

Again with Jahannam, Allah clearly described it to us from the point we will be resurrected where the showtime of Jahannam will start, many descriptions indeed

1 ) Its 7 doors and each has its allocated portion of sinners
2 ) Its Keepers and one is named ?Malik?, all the hell keeper are strong and rough with the hell dwellers
3 ) Its dwellers are from the Ins and the Jinn
4 ) The Zaqum Tree and its description
5 ) The shirts made of fire
6 ) The Lave poured on the heads
7 ) The burning skin that being replaced then burn again
8 ) The dialogues between the hell dwellers and its keepers
9 ) The dialogues between the hell dwellers and the Garden dwellers
10 ) The wish of the hell dwellers to die
11 ) The many escape trial they try then they brought back into hell
12 ) The arguments between the hell dwellers and other hell dwellers
13 ) The Garden dwellers looking physically on the some of the hell dwellers that they knew on earth
14 ) The desperation of the hell dwellers for water and for the decrease in punishment
15 ) And many more

How the hell, the hell can not be a real place and the One Who is telling all the above about it is the one who created it and is our only God?, isn?t His witness enough for those?

JK- Yes these are exactly the points i recall from reading the Quran over and over again. Thats why i wondered why anyone could come up saying heaven and hell are not TWO WORLDS/two environments/two matrices where one fells pain or enjoys. Brohter Arnold as a scientist knows the concept of Occam's Razor. I asked him to apply this on the text as well. People usually do not apply Occam's Razor to scripture which somehow bothers me. I believe even if your brought up in a neutral Arab enviroment , then read the Quran ull understand heaven and hell to be two separate places. Anyone who wants to do a real scientific study can do this with a group of people. Ofcourse one out of 100 may think differently but here we go for the more probable in the end. Testing just one person is obviously not enough. If the oppsoite shows up, id be surprised. GOD Bless!

Peace,

Trust me bro, i did use Occam's razor more then you know....