You Have Been Warned
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Peace Bro
Why do you take things so personally, I was talking about those who deny Allah's message.
The fact is all you talked about, thought, feelings etc all are accounted for by physical phenomenon. Where does it start and where does it end.
So stop being worked up, I did not accuse you of anything.
What is real has to have a physical base in our universe. Now if you are saying that for now Paradise and Hell are not yet physical for us, I will agree. But they will sure be physical after JD, and as physical as portrayed in the Quran, albeit the words and examples used are using terminologies that refer to what we can understand.
Again I must stress that I had to let go of many many biases and filters before accepting the Message, and it was never easy. Let alone being called a Kafir by sunnis and shias (one even told me that my blood was halal), and fundamentalist by others.
Yes maybe you need a vacation.
So what does physical mean to you then?
Anyways I was not rersponding to your post in particular.
Being haughty is not a mark of a believer so far from me to be this way.
God speed
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I'm sorry? You're going to retract your statement from before?
Bro
I was clear
Here it is again, no one will give an example of something UNLESS both sides are real for the one who is saying it however for the other one who is receiving it, one party MUST be known and that is why it was used to describe a party that is unknown, however even with the person hearing the metaphor I found in all cases in the Quran both parties are real
This is what a metaphor means for me and this is how the Quran used it all along
This doesn't have anything to do with the Qur'an. Don't get the issues "confused." This is pure language. You yourself admitted that only one of the things in the Mathal must be real.
Now you acting unreasonably, I retreated my statement and explained above what a metaphor means, are you gonna keep repeating my first wrong statement?
Now you are changing that? Why? Because I made a statement that you cannot defeat?
I?m not defeating your statements, I care less to do that, but what I care abot is to see the Arabic quran defeating and slam dunking your statements, now I?m backing up using the Quran why I had to retreat my statement
Who is lying now? Who is being "clever"?
I?m not a liar but I may be clever
You cannot retract your statement
LOL, no I can, any time I wish, now it?s getting funny
. It doesn't even matter what you retract or dont retract. Sorry. This is a fact of the language. Accept it.
Now it is not a fact of language, it is a fact of the Quran that in all metaphors used both parties are REAL
Stop thinking about judging everyone and calling everyone a kafir/mushrik for just one second and try to listen to what the person is saying.
It is not like I call it to everyone every hour, look if you see something I say that you think makes me Kafir or Mushrik, please bring it to my attention, I will appreciate your cooperation
I'm getting sick and tired of the rampant isolation and judgment on this board.
Stop crying please bro, I try always to do that when I cry
It is not like I have to accept what you say for you to stop
Fact. You are not God, so leave all the judgment to Him. By labelling anyone you disagree with as kuffar/mushrik, you are trying to steal God's authority and claim it for your own.
silly try by you doctor, unfortunately labelling others can not be judgment, I label others according what they say against Allah using His words, and this is a duty on anyone who submitted to Him
Fact. You are not the end-all be-all of all things Qur'anic.
LOL, what are you trying to say exactly doctor?
Look doc, I have every right to state my opinion, at least I back it up using the Quran unlike those who back their non sense and blasphemy using some freak philosophers
Fact. You are not the only one who can decide what is "common sense" while calling others who do the same Kuffar.
again doc, what are you tryin to say exactly?, hmmmm,, I never claimed the above
I think you need a Valum pill doctor, that is easy for you to get, but only one please don?t take many
cheers
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Peace Ahmed,
OK then...
Is a lifetime of being a disbeliever = an eternity of suffering?
Yes, that is what Allah told us exactly in the Quran HOWEVER and this is BIG however, He reserved His right to remove those from Hell, anytime He wishes
would you like to see the verses?
Cheers
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Peace
I wish to forcefully intrude here.
An example or parable are used to clarify or represent an event.
If the example is real, the event will have to be real.
What is the point of representing an event that will not exist?, Unless you are a scifi/fantasy writer.
The Quran is not a book of riddles.
OK, let us follow your argument- There is no real paradise
- There is no real Hell
- There is no real resurrection
- There is no God
It is all allegorical, we just die, and that is all...
After all, Philosophers like Hegel said that there is no need for God anymore, because of the triumph of Human Reason, God is Dead, and Man is now God.
So make up your stories as you wish.
Ahmed and me, and other God conscious people take what Allah says in the Quran very seriously, without filters, pre-judgments or cultural bias. This is what serving Allah means.
It is but a warning to Mankind.
Noble
I'm sorry, who are you again? I've never spoken to you so you really can't follow say that you're following my argument.
If you're referring to an argument made on the other thread, you've completely misrepresented it.
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I never said the Qur'an is a book of riddles. Stop attacking straw men here. And don't misrepresent me.
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Read this one carefully cause you and Ahmed don't seem to understand this EXCEEDINGLY simple point. Here, I'll put it in bold for you
I never said Paradise isnt real. Please show me where I have.
I never said Hell isnt real. Please show me where I have.
I never said resurrection isn't real. Please show me where I have.
I sure as hell never said God isn't real. Please show me where I have.I never said those things werent real. I simply said "real" doesn't have to mean "physical." Do you see the amazingly simple difference? Or are you choosing to be blind to it?
You people seem to think that just cause I'm saying something isnt physical, it's not real. That is not logically always the case. Why do you think Im' saying Hell will just be peaches and cream? It will be torture; it will be misery; it will be the worst thing imaginable. I'm not trying to sugarcoat anything here. I'm not trying to lie and doubt Allah's words.
Are thoughts real? Answer please.
Are feelings real? Answer please
Are emotions real? Answer please
Are laws of the universe real? Answer please.^ These above things are not PHYSICAL (i.e. you can't reach out and touch them) and yet they are VERY REAL.
So again, I repeat, I NEVER SAID HELL/HEAVEN/GOD/RESURRECTION ARENT REAL. They are VERY real.
I am not making up any stories. You are attributing lies to me.
And I take the Qur'an VERY seriously. I'd appreciate it if you didn't accuse me of not doing so, without even knowing me or what I've said.
You said you, Ahmed, and other God-conscious people. So you're trying to imply I'm not God-conscious? Again, how do you know this? Stop trying to usurp God's authority and pass judgment on others. Got it?
And finally, you so haughtily claim that you interpret the Qur'an without any filters, pre-judgments, and cultural biases? Please. That's IMPOSSIBLE to do. Any human reading the Qur'an will have at least some bias. Stop acting like you guys are above it all. Everyone comes to a text with their own preconceptions, including me.
I'm just sick and tired of this vitriol that so many people on here spew out of their mouths daily misrepresenation, straw men, straight lies, and judgment.
I'm really thinking about taking a brief hiatus from this board. It's really becoming too negative and just utterly devoid of logic. I don't normally get this worked up but you people are just going too far with your lies and misrepresentations.
"Peace."
damn bro
you still have no bloody point
ok Allah told us that Jahhanam is REAL and is A Physical Place
now it seems you have been slam dunked, please relax and donlt forget the Valum
Cheers
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Peace Caveman,
I would be saddened to lose another bright mind on this forum. If you need to take a break, then please only take a break from discussing with the individuals that are currently representing this negativity. Ahmed has admitted that he's not here to learn but he's here on a crusade to defeat what he(or his profiler) terms as the enemies of islam. That should speak volumes.
Peace,
TayStop defaming me Tay or really nthe respect I have to you will go down the drain
I said I'm here to expose those who manipulate the Arabic Quran, not to label them enemy of Islam
You are a clear cut liar
Now many of you started to loose it against my intense pressure, well I still have plenty of reserve so watch out
I talk Quran alone, haha
Salam
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Peace Ahmed,
Stop defaming me Tay or really nthe respect I have to you will go down the drain
I said I'm here to expose those who manipulate the Arabic Quran, not to label them enemy of Islam
You are a clear cut liar
Now many of you started to loose it against my intense pressure, well I still have plenty of reserve so watch out
I talk Quran alone, haha
Brother, your own words say that I am not a liar. This is taken from your discussion with Anwar
Was The Messenger Of The Qur'aan An Orphan?
"bro no fight intended, I only fight the enemy and you are not one of my enemies, in fact I consider you a brother in faith, I'm just a person with very strong beliefs and all logical"This one from the following link
what does the koran allow
"peace be with all except my enemies because there will be no peace witn them and I will inshallah destroy them"This in your debate with PreistBokmei
CONCLUSION OF THE SWINE DEBATE
"he is 100% a fake muslim Profiler 2005 is very accurate program"Do I need to go on?
I'm not out to defame you. These are your words. If your purpose has changed or evolved, then please explain and I will stand corrected.Peace,
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Peace Ahmed,
Yes, that is what Allah told us exactly in the Quran HOWEVER and this is BIG however, He reserved His right to remove those from Hell, anytime He wishes
And you believe this is is just? (one lifetime = eternity)
Peace Tay
If Allah created us for ONLY to worship Him as He told us, then IT MAKES GREAT SENSE that a kafir will rotton in Hell for eternity, this is what Allah said not me
so in reality you don't accept what Allah said, or in another way you want to look like accepting it so you manipulate it to suit the desires of your man made god
Salam
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Peace noble,
What are they called again, bleeding hearts?
Sorry mate, I am but a creature, The Creator makes the Rules, is it just to die, to suffer, to be sick... etc
Here is a metaphor, I have a possession, I smash it into pieces, its mine, I do to it what I want...Thanks for the sarcasm and for dodging the question. A simple yes or no would have done fine.
Peace,
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Peace Ahmed,
If Allah created us for ONLY to worship Him as He told us, then IT MAKES GREAT SENSE that a kafir will rotton in Hell for eternity, this is what Allah said not me
so in reality you don't accept what Allah said, or in another way you want to look like accepting it so you manipulate it to suit the desires of your man made god
Why is it that you continually jump to the presumption of stating my position when I haven't given it. I asked you 2 questions and now you say I'm manipulating Allah's words to suit my desires of my man-made god?
You really need to slow down and cease with presumptions bro. You don't know me nearly good enough to guess that well. And you have the audacity to call me a liar and manipulater. Humble yourself brother.
Peace,
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Brother, your own words say that I am not a liar. This is taken from your discussion with Anwar
Now it?s getting silly, good that I had you as well reading my previous comments looking for a contradiction or any crap to defame me, let?s see what you have to say
Was The Messenger Of The Qur'aan An Orphan?
"bro no fight intended, I only fight the enemy and you are not one of my enemies, in fact I consider you a brother in faith, I'm just a person with very strong beliefs and all logical"damn, what is wrong of what stated above?, did I mention whom I consider enemy of Islam?, well I only consider two in here as enemy of islam
You have no bloody point but you proved well that you can act like a child
This one from the following link
what does the koran allow
"peace be with all except my enemies because there will be no peace witn them and I will inshallah destroy them"damn again, did I say who is my enemies?, no I didn?t, again you are barking aloud for nothing
This in your debate with PreistBokmei
CONCLUSION OF THE SWINE DEBATE
"he is 100% a fake muslim Profiler 2005 is very accurate program"Now I stand to what I stated above and again that was specific to that person and directed to him, you are funny Tay trying to make this global
Now the respect level I have for you in Profile has been updated from 100% to 80% because what you said here "he's here on a crusade to defeat what he(or his profiler) terms as the enemies of islam. That should speak volumes" is a clear cut lie and especially the last 4 words and therefore I updated profiler that you can lie, santa won't come to you
Now if I ever said what i'm here for, i only said "I'm not here to learn" and I guess this is my right, there are others here who attack the Quran, are they here to learn?, I never said anything but "I'm here not to learn", this is why i consider you a liar, because to join that 5 words statement from another post to other unrelated matters from different posts that has nothing to do with the reason I'm here is a clear cut case of deception
Do I need to go on?
Oh yeh please do and I will turn it to shreds, good that i will keep you busy
I'm not out to defame you. These are your words.
to try to suggest that I'm doing it "Indirectly" to another memeber as if I consider him an enemy of islam, is very shifty indeed
hold on I need to update the respect level in profiler from 80% to 70%
If your purpose has changed or evolved, then please explain and I will stand corrected.
Peace,
TayNo, I'm not going to say why I'm here other than what i said before "I'm not here to learn", however If i would like to add to that statement, then yes i was forced to lean a lot of things, the least of these things was really an insightful view of the Quran
waiting for you to go on bro
Salam
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\Here is a metaphor, I have a possession, I smash it into pieces, its mine, I do to it what I want...
Exactly bro, an inventor HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH WHAT HE/SHE INVENTED, none can question or stop him/her from even destroying it
Cheers
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Peace Ahmed,
If you could see throught the fog of your temperment, then you'd see that what you said and what I said are exactly the same
did I mentioned whom I consider enemy of Islam?
No. And neither did I.
did I say who is my enemies?, no I didn?t, again you are barking aloud for nothing
No. And neither did I. Nor did I bark.
Now I stand to what I stated above and again that was specific to that person and directed to him, you are funny Tay trying to make this global
Did I say it was global? I said "to defeat what he(or his profiler) terms as the enemies of islam". The first quote was from you. The second used your profiler. And you used your profiler more than once. In fact, you use it in this post.
That should speak volumes" is a clear cut lie and especially the last 4 words and therefore I update profielr that you can lie, well santa won't come to you
Ahmed, you admit that you're not here to learn...
Now if I ever said what i'm here for, i only said "I'm not here to learn"
...and I said that you're not hear to learn. If someone is in a debate with you, then your position of not being here to learn "speaks volumes" about the ultimate outcome of that debate. How is this lying bro? This is a fact that you and I both agree on for God's sake.
No, I'm not going to say why I'm here other that what i said before "I'm not here to learn, however If i would like to add to that statement, then yes i was forced to lean a lot of things the least of these things was really an insightful view of the Quran
That's always good to hear.
waiting for you to go on bro
I'd rather not. What I saw as black and white text on the screen you see as an insult, and that wasn't my intention.
Peace be upon you,
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Have a nice day Tay