i may leave islam for good
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Peace bro "Arnold",
Your forgetting that the 3 salat theory has been rebutted and the five daily salat theory has let me put it the scientific way, GAINED HIGH PROBAILITY OF BEING TRUE ONCE AGAIN. Read http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm
Regarding hajj you maybe right. I havent seen any mathematical pattern supporting that yet but we may do so in the future. It would be good to do some research on that. GOD Bless! -
Peace,
Jonny, if you had skipped a bit further, you would have seen i have discussed that article already. And where do i say here it is 3 or 5? I say salaat has a lot more meanings. Please don't deviade from the subject, i'm talking here to Zante, go to the appriote threads to discuss those things. The Quran is not a religious book, it is a guide to liberate humanity....
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Peace bro "Arnold",
Your forgetting that the 3 salat theory has been rebutted and the five daily salat theory has let me put it the scientific way, GAINED HIGH PROBAILITY OF BEING TRUE ONCE AGAIN. Read http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm
Regarding hajj you maybe right. I havent seen any mathematical pattern supporting that yet but we may do so in the future. It would be good to do some research on that. GOD Bless!there is nothing scientific about that. its wishfull thinking. Or in the words of james Randi whom i wrote about the 19 pehnomena. quote "Its simple number trickery, let them get crazy over it". And lets stay on subject
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Peace "magi",
there is nothing scientific about that. its wishfull thinking. Or in the words of james Randi whom i wrote about the 19 pehnomena. quote "Its simple number trickery, let them get crazy over it". And lets stay on subject
JK- Oh did he? Well his fellow mathematician Martin Gardener was of a different view some years ago. The opening statement consists of 19 letters, and each word occurs in multiple of 19) and this represents a minute portion of the code, yet it was described by Martin Gardner in the Scientific American as "ingenious" (September, 1981, p. 22-24). Please also go and read "Intelligent ppls guide to code-19" at http//19.org/?books (all parts). You shoudl do some thorough study of the code first and then make up your mind. James Randi is basing his opinion on the mess that many have done on the Bible like Panins code which is totally incomparable with the Quran's code. This has been discussed many times over. No scientist has ever given an objective rebuttal to the Quran's code. On the contrary quite a few have approved while others remained silent on the issue. You can get those references from bro Edip Yuksel. GOD Bless!
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Peace "magi",
there is nothing scientific about that. its wishfull thinking. Or in the words of james Randi whom i wrote about the 19 pehnomena. quote "Its simple number trickery, let them get crazy over it". And lets stay on subject
JK- Oh did he? Well his fellow mathematician Martin Gardener was of a different view some years ago. The opening statement consists of 19 letters, and each word occurs in multiple of 19) and this represents a minute portion of the code, yet it was described by Martin Gardner in the Scientific American as "ingenious" (September, 1981, p. 22-24). Please also go and read "Intelligent ppls guide to code-19" at http//19.org/?books (all parts). You shoudl do some thorough study of the code first and then make up your mind. James Randi is basing his opinion on the mess that many have done on the Bible like Panins code which is totally incomparable with the Quran's code. This has been discussed many times over. No scientist has ever given an objective rebuttal to the Quran's code. On the contrary quite a few have approved while others remained silent on the issue. You can get those references from bro Edip Yuksel. GOD Bless!
you know we have scientists too that insist that the world is 6000 years old. People see what they want to see. I dont know their motifs, and i dont care. a number sequence is nothing miraculous. at ... all...
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Peace,
Guys this is the wrong thread for this,,, fftopic
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Peace "Magi",
you know we have scientists too that insist that the world is 6000 years old. People see what they want to see. I dont know their motifs, and i dont care. a number sequence is nothing miraculous. at ... all...
JK- Martin shares Randi's beleifs. Hes an atheist and believes in ape-men evolution. He has absolutely no motif to support the Quran. To think otherwise would be absoultely silly. Hes been working for the JREF as a mathematician till at least 2003 and probably is still working for it. Now back to the point. You calling it a mee no sequence shows that youve never studied it. Go and visit the links i posted earllier. Carefully read "Intelligent ppls guide to code-19" and then you can come here and well discuss it. Actually just these examples should be enough proof
the word yaum(day) occurs 365 times in the Quran, yumain/ayaam(two days/days) 30 times and shahr(month) 12 times. The words bahr(sea) and barr/yabas(dry land) occur in such amounts that they give the exact landwater ratio of the earth. The Quran only mentions no 19 in 7430 and 1974 was its yr of discovery. The Quran has 114(19x6) suras and 114 opening statements. One may think "see the trick, obviously 114 suras so 114 Bismillahs" forgetting that sura 9 is NOT precedd by such a statement. But then 19 suras from the missing Bismillah in sura 27 we have TWO such statements once at the beginning and another in verse 30. If we add the sum 9+10+11+12+...+27=342(19x1. Now if you know maths youll say "oh man see how theyr trying to fool us. Everyone knows that the sum of any n numbers, where n is an odd integer, with a common difference(arithmetic series) is a multiple of n. How deceitful" again forgetting that this is not what's been shown as significant. What is is that the number of words btw the 1st bismillah and that in verse 30 of sura 27 is exactly equal to 342. What a coincidence aint it? So now we have total no of suras = 114 and Bismillahs = 114 despite its absence on sura 9. Further more every word in the Bismillah i.e. Ism, Allah, Rahman and Raheem occurs in xples of 19 i.e. 19,2698,57 ans 114(remeber this no). What an amazing coincidence? This was just a sample. You can now read what a brother named Abdullah Arik discovered all just about the opening statement Bismillah of the Quran at
http//www.submission.org/beyond.html
Though there are probs with the probability he states for it occuring by chance which is actually "only" 1/19^19 which is less than one in a billion billion, the facts are clear and you may go through them carefully by yourself. GOD Bless! -
Peace "Magi",
you know we have scientists too that insist that the world is 6000 years old. People see what they want to see. I dont know their motifs, and i dont care. a number sequence is nothing miraculous. at ... all...
JK- Martin shares Randi's beleifs. Hes an atheist and believes in ape-men evolution. He has absolutely no motif to support the Quran. To think otherwise would be absoultely silly. Hes been working for the JREF as a mathematician till at least 2003 and probably is still working for it. Now back to the point. You calling it a mee no sequence shows that youve never studied it. Go and visit the links i posted earllier.
I have, please stop saying that i havent read it everytime i dont agree with your miracle.
Carefully read "Intelligent ppls guide to code-19" and then you can come here and well discuss it. Actually just these examples should be enough proof
I have its very simple statistics mixed with a whole lot of wishful thinking. A agree its good math, but that doesnt make it from God. thats just a silly notion. Then IBM calculus is from God to innit?
the word yaum(day) occurs 365 times in the Quran, yumain/ayaam(two days/days) 30 times and shahr(month) 12 times. The words bahr(sea) and barr/yabas(dry land) occur in such amounts that they give the exact landwater ratio of the earth.
So? long before that book was ever written peopel was sriting astrologcal charts as precise as the ones today. You are taken for granetd that people has become ingresingly more intelligent, this is not a fact. When we can decipher a code, a human could write it.
The Quran only mentions no 19 in 7430 and 1974 was its yr of discovery.
dont tell me, its was on the 30 day? wow thats amazing
The Quran has 114(19x6) suras and 114 opening statements. One may think "see the trick, obviously 114 suras so 114 Bismillahs" forgetting that sura 9 is NOT precedd by such a statement. But then 19 suras from the missing Bismillah in sura 27 we have TWO such statements once at the beginning and another in verse 30. If we add the sum 9+10+11+12+...+27=342(19x1. Now if you know maths youll say "oh man see how theyr trying to fool us. Everyone knows that the sum of any n numbers with a common difference between them(arithmetic series) is a multiple of n. How deceitful" again forgetting that this is not what's been shown as significant. What is is that the number of words btw the 1st bismillah and that in verse 30 of sura 27 is exactly equal to 342. What a coincidence aint it? So now we have total no of suras = 114 and Bismillahs = 114 despite its absence on sura 9.
halleluja bismillah is mentioned 114 times praise the lord. Seriously Jonny, dont waste your time on me, im not gullible as the other members of your sect. I too think it is remakable math, but hardly God mode.
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Peace "magi",
I have, please stop saying that i havent read it everytime i dont agree with your miracle.
JK- Ok then bring the pts which bother you. Btw did you read the nusemantics chapter 9 of int ppls guide? Do you honestly believe that while writing a book 1400 years ago one could have kept track of the count of words that easily? Do you honestly believe Muhamad in the desert did not have other probs then to put words in mathematical harmony?
I have its very simple statistics mixed with a whole lot of wishful thinking. A agree its good math, but that doesnt make it from God. thats just a silly notion. Then IBM calculus is from God to innit?
JK- It's a pattern embedded in the Quran which could only be deciphered by a computer. Now dont tell me you believe Muhmmad has computers back then 1400 yrs ago, do you?
So? long before that book was ever written peopel was sriting astrologcal charts as precise as the ones today. You are taken for granetd that people has become ingresingly more intelligent, this is not a fact. When we can decipher a code, a human could write it.
JK- For knowing the ratio of land/water on the earth you need a satellite or you need to measure the whole sea inch by inch since its shape is irregular. Theres no way the people could have found that out back then. Moreover again do you think Muhammad would have though while writing a book "oh u know ive to code the no of days in singular as 365 n those in plural as 30". Very IMPROABLE and thts the term one should focus on.
dont tell me, its was on the 30 day? wow thats amazing
JK- Btw the way did you know that the GV of the first two verses of sura 74 which can be understood to refer directly to what the code has done equals 1974 exactly too? If u dont see the relation here what can i do.
halleluja bismillah is mentioned 114 times praise the lord. Seriously Jonny, dont waste your time on me, im not gullible as the other members of your sect. I too think it is remakable math, but hardly God mode.
JK- You took one example forgetting that all exaples consistently occur IN XPLES OF NINETEEN. That is the significance. If you cant understand this simple fact what can i do. Did you know that there are four words which are attributes of GOD in the Quran whose GV corresponds exactly to the count of the four words in the Bismillah? If you dont then please open http//www.submission.org/math-part2.html and goto "A strong foundation". Read that part very carefully for its extremely significant. GOD Bless!
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K- Ok then bring the pts which bother you. Btw did you read the nusemantics chapter 9 of int ppls guide? Do you honestly believe that while writing a book 1400 years ago one could have kept track of the count of words that easily?
yes i do, just like we could today in a tablet, without a computer. no prob. It just takes more time. NO miracle here. Now lets not divert this thread further. i have given you "miracle" a conciderable amount of time, and its not miracle, except for people who deseprately needs one. I dont, so no prob.
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Peace "magi",
yes i do, just like we could today in a tablet, without a computer. no prob. It just takes more time. NO miracle here. Now lets not divert this thread further. i have given you "miracle" a conciderable amount of time, and its not miracle, except for people who deseprately needs one. I dont, so no prob.
JK- Did you even read the article beyond probability? Could Muhammad have divided those long numbers and seen that each of them are multiples of 19? Note that he must not do this once. He must choose a phrase which contains those numerous interlocking patterns all divisible by nineteen. Lemme give u a simple example here from beyond probability article
FACT 2. The sequence number of each word in the Basmalah followed by the number of letters in it forms an 8-digit number which is a multiple of 19 1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6 = 19 x 19 x 36686
Ok this cld be managed.FACT 3. Replace the number of letters in each word in Fact 2 by the total gematrical value of that word. Thus, the sequence number of each word is followed by its total gematrical value, to form a 15-digit number which is a multiple of 19
1 102 2 66 3 329 4 289 = 19 x 5801401752331
Now this is getting complex. For this to work Muhammad must have set the GVs of letters accordingly but that is not possible since the GVs of letters existsed before Muhammad.FACT 4. Replace the total gematrical value of each word in Fact 3 by the gematrical value of every letter in that word. For instance, the total gematrical value of the first word, 102, is replaced by 2 60 40. Similarly, the total gematrical value of the second word, 66, is replaced by 1 30 30 5, and so on. The result is a 37-digit number which is a multiple of 19
1 2 60 40 2 1 30 30 5 3 1 30 200 8 40 50 4 1 30 200 8 10 40 = 19 x 66336954226595422109686863843162160
Now you see how it gets more and more complex. All these 3 and many more conditions need to be satisfied. Thats what forms the miracle. Bro Abdullah DISCOVERED, NOT THAT HE MADE IT, HE HAD TO USE A COMPUTER MERELY FOR DISCOVERING THIS PATTERN. To say somebody could have calculated something 1400 yrs ago and put it in order whose very deciphering needs a computer today is absolutely hillarious. I hope you got my point.
Now lemme put it this way. If you cant see the pattern based on code-19 which is consitent then i cant do anything. When a scientist lets say finds a particular pattern in a plant with consitency then he can make predictions based on that and they likely turn out to be true. Please read
http//19.org/index.php?id=76,268,0,0,1,0
I too made a prediction. Rashad had found that the sum of the verse numbers wherever the word Allah occurs throughout the Quran is a xple of 19. Not hat much significant on its own i agree. Allah is a word found in the opening statement. So are Ism, Arrahman and Arraheem. But only the word Arrahman is EXCLUSIVELY FOUND IN THE DEFINITE form throughout the Quran. So i predicted that this would be the only word which would follow the same pattern as the word Allah when we add up the sum of verse numbers whereever Arrahman occured like we did with the word Allah and indeed the no was a xple of 19. I was amazed when i found tht. Also please read
http//19.org/index.php?id=76,261,0,0,1,0
and tell me honestly whether Muhammad back then could have known this complex code which can only be deciphered by a computer. GOD Bless! -
i may leave islam for good
It's certainly a challenging commitment towards becoming a much better "human", experiencing higher intuitive and logical realistic qualities which have been otherwise deprived off, domisticated and enslaved by religious dogmatic, ancient, mythical and idolworshipping ideologies that once-upon-a-time were forcefully and violently administered and the effects of which continue to dominate in various flowery discources to be found in the Islamic and other religious bedridden arena. In order to understand the attributes of an Allah, one must know who or what IT IS and ITS etymological conditions, else it becomes an impractical, futile and delusional dimension beyond recognition. All the best to you. )
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Peace "Danish",
It's certainly a challenging commitment towards becoming a much better "human", experiencing higher intuitive and logical realistic qualities which have been otherwise deprived off, domisticated and enslaved by religious dogmatic, ancient, mythical and idolworshipping ideologies that once-upon-a-time were forcefully and violently administered and the effects of which continue to dominate in various flowery discources to be found in the Islamic and other religious bedridden arena. In order to understand the attributes of an Allah, one must know who or what IT IS and ITS etymological conditions, else it becomes an impractical, futile and delusional dimension beyond recognition. All the best to you. )
JK- This is all correct,except your usage of "an Allah" while the term already speifically refers to the one GOD or One Intelligent Designer who created everything this makes no sense as it equals saying an the God, but i believe Quran Alone Muslims or better Submitters to GOD who believe in Quran Alone are the ones who can best acheive what youve mentioned above. Going any other way would be yet another fallacy. I once stated a lifeline representiung what stages a rational mind goes through starting off from him being a traditonal religionist. It was
traditional religionist/traditionailist-atheist-traditional HIslamic-agnostic-protestant-Quran Alone Submitter
By protestant i dont necessarily mean evangelical christian but when whos mind is in continous state of protesting things going on in the surrounding world. Note that this may not be true for every individual. I myself jumped from traditiona Hislam to being a Quran Alone Submitter by witnessing code-19. GOD Bless! -
Peace "Danish",
It's certainly a challenging commitment towards becoming a much better "human", experiencing higher intuitive and logical realistic qualities which have been otherwise deprived off, domisticated and enslaved by religious dogmatic, ancient, mythical and idolworshipping ideologies that once-upon-a-time were forcefully and violently administered and the effects of which continue to dominate in various flowery discources to be found in the Islamic and other religious bedridden arena. In order to understand the attributes of an Allah, one must know who or what IT IS and ITS etymological conditions, else it becomes an impractical, futile and delusional dimension beyond recognition. All the best to you. )
JK- This is all correct,except your usage of "an Allah" while the term already speifically refers to the one GOD or One Intelligent Designer who created everything this makes no sense as it equals saying an the God, but i believe Quran Alone Muslims or better Submitters to GOD who believe in Quran Alone are the ones who can best acheive what youve mentioned above. Going any other way would be yet another fallacy. I once stated a lifeline representiung what stages a rational mind goes through starting off from him being a traditonal religionist. It was
traditional religionist/traditionailist-atheist-traditional HIslamic-agnostic-protestant-Quran Alone Submitter
By protestant i dont necessarily mean evangelical christian but when whos mind is in continous state of protesting things going on in the surrounding world. Note that this may not be true for every individual. I myself jumped from traditiona Hislam to being a Quran Alone Submitter by witnessing code-19. GOD Bless!The Muslims of the past and present and their predecessors cannot deny the Islamic inception of an "Allah" of the Quran as an IDOL locked up at kaba where millions circumvent and call upon IT (the Umrah and Haj drama) and the despensing of IT'S attributes even long before the advent of Islam as the "most merciful", "omnipresent", "omniscience" and the "all powerful" to have been physically installed. The "salaat" is one example of a fashioned religious exercise towards such an IDOL. That is the height of idolworship and a fallacy unto itself which the Quran prophesses. Today, the "Allah" or "Al-illah" has been hijacked to automatically become The "GOD of Rreality" or The "GOD of our Creations" or "The GOD of Heavens and Earth", which, by any stretch of means, is NOT Islam to begin with.
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Peace "Danish",
The Muslims of the past and present and their predecessors cannot deny the Islamic inception of an "Allah" of the Quran as an IDOL locked up at kaba where millions circumvent and call upon IT (the Umrah and Haj drama) and the despensing of IT'S attributes even long before the advent of Islam as the "most merciful", "omnipresent", "omniscience" and the "all powerful" to have been physically installed. The "salaat" is one example of a fashioned religious exercise towards such an IDOL. That is the height of idolworship and a fallacy unto itself which the Quran prophesses. Today, the "Allah" or "Al-illah" has been hijacked to automatically become The "GOD of Rreality" or The "GOD of our Creations" or "The GOD of Heavens and Earth", which, by any stretch of means, is NOT Islam to begin with.
JK- I dont get your point here. The Quran uses the term Allah and defines what is meant by it too. When one reads the entire Quran he/she automatically comes to the conclusion that what is meant by Allah is the creator of heavns and earth, all that exists and ofcourse more details of His Absolute Power, Glory etc. Regarding salat and hajj if theyr done with the intention of serving the Lord of the Universe theres nothing wrong with them. Neither would people whor not aware of these rituals performing their's for the sake of pleaing the Lord of Universe be wrong or idol wroship by any means. If a Buddhist performed certain of his rituals to please the true God i.e. he believes in one God who created him and the rest of the world and with this belief carries out the ritual for Him, then again theres absolutely no problem at all, not to mention idol worship. You see it all depends on the definition you relate something with. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Danish",
The Muslims of the past and present and their predecessors cannot deny the Islamic inception of an "Allah" of the Quran as an IDOL locked up at kaba where millions circumvent and call upon IT (the Umrah and Haj drama) and the despensing of IT'S attributes even long before the advent of Islam as the "most merciful", "omnipresent", "omniscience" and the "all powerful" to have been physically installed. The "salaat" is one example of a fashioned religious exercise towards such an IDOL. That is the height of idolworship and a fallacy unto itself which the Quran prophesses. Today, the "Allah" or "Al-illah" has been hijacked to automatically become The "GOD of Rreality" or The "GOD of our Creations" or "The GOD of Heavens and Earth", which, by any stretch of means, is NOT Islam to begin with.
JK- I dont get your point here. The Quran uses the term Allah and defines what is meant by it too. When one reads the entire Quran he/she automatically comes to the conclusion that what is meant by Allah is the creator of heavns and earth, all that exists and ofcourse more details of His Absolute Power, Glory etc. Regarding salat and hajj if theyr done with the intention of serving the Lord of the Universe theres nothing wrong with them. Neither would people whor not aware of these rituals performing their's for the sake of pleaing the Lord of Universe be wrong or idol wroship by any means. If a Buddhist performed certain of his rituals to please the true God i.e. he believes in one God who created him and the rest of the world and with this belief carries out the ritual for Him, then again theres absolutely no problem at all, not to mention idol worship. You see it all depends on the definition you relate something with. GOD Bless!
All the rantings and frivilous excuses is because you are reading an ancient men-made book in TODAY'S perspectives. In order to understand this book, you must know and understand its historicity. You don't even know WHO the real GOD is and here you are inventing the alleged attributes. That itself is a fallacious and conjectural statement. If you initiate the claim that "just because Quran says so", then that becomes an illogical, circular and baseless argument which the Muslims are quite excellent at. Either way, you are stuck to your blind and blinking beliefs.
Regarding salat and hajj if theyr done with the intention of serving the Lord of the Universe theres nothing wrong with them.
How is this "intention" of facing towards and imploring an Allah, who is omnipresent and omniscience relevant to a stone building and all that goes around and within it? Perhaps you need to study the historicity of 'kaba" carefully?
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Peace "Danish",
All the rantings and frivilous excuses is because you are reading an ancient men-made book in TODAY'S perspectives. In order to understand this book, you must know and understand its historicity. You don't even know WHO the real GOD is and here you are inventing the alleged attributes. That itself is a fallacious and conjectural statement. If you initiate the claim that "just because Quran says so", then that becomes an illogical, circular and baseless argument which the Muslims are quite excellent at. Either way, you are stuck to your blind and blinking beliefs.
JK- Ive stated it clearly. Its the intention which counts behind a term. Moreover the term "Allah" has always been and is still used by Arabs Hismlcs, Christians, etc to mean Lord of the heavens and earth or the one true GOD. Theres no question about that. Further yet the Quran defines the term to be so. And i believe in the Quran primarily because of the miraculous mathematical pattern which gives me high probability of it being the Word of GOD. Once this is done i can very well accept whatever the Book has to say. I explained this many many times now.
How is this "intention" of facing towards and imploring an Allah, who is omnipresent and omniscience relevant to a stone building and all that goes around and within it? Perhaps you need to study the historicity of 'kaba" carefully?
JK- Im not yet convinced that the kaaba in mecca is not the one the Quran refers to if you mean that. Now as long as my intention is staright and i think/believe that the true God has ordered me to face a certain direction as a matter of disciplie as i understand it, then theres no problem for as mentioned earlier its the intention which counts. If in the future i receive sufficient evidence tht the building in mecca today known as kaaba is not what the Quran talks abt then ill act accordingly. Simple. GOD Bless!
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All the rantings and frivilous excuses is because you are reading an ancient men-made book in TODAY'S perspectives. In order to understand this book, you must know and understand its historicity. You don't even know WHO the real GOD is and here you are inventing the alleged attributes. That itself is a fallacious and conjectural statement. If you initiate the claim that "just because Quran says so", then that becomes an illogical, circular and baseless argument which the Muslims are quite excellent at. Either way, you are stuck to your blind and blinking beliefs.
JK- Ive stated it clearly. Its the intention which counts behind a term.
You have not defined the "intention" and its purpose and what "term" are you talking about and neither are you discussing its historicity? That displays the poor quality of logical thinking.
Moreover the term "Allah" has always been and is still used by Arabs Hismlcs, Christians, etc to mean Lord of the heavens and earth or the one true GOD. Theres no question about that.
Yes, in TODAY'S perspective, as mentioned earlier, the word "Allah" has been hijacked but relevant to ancient times, the "Allah" was the most powerful IDOL of all idols including HIS daughters (Allat, Aluzzah and Almannat) among hundreds of other man-made idols and that is a FACT, which brings back my point that it cannot be the "Islam" that you profess.
And i believe in the Quran primarily because of the miraculous mathematical pattern which gives me high probability of it being the Word of GOD. Once this is done i can very well accept whatever the Book has to say. I explained this many many times now.
The mathematical pattern is nothing but a bogus invented numerology by a fake "sunni" messenger. Lets not mix up this discussion with bigotry and hypocritical data for now.
How is this "intention" of facing towards and imploring an Allah, who is omnipresent and omniscience relevant to a stone building and all that goes around and within it? Perhaps you need to study the historicity of 'kaba" carefully?
JK- Im not yet convinced that the kaaba in mecca is not the one the Quran refers to if you mean that.
LOL, if you are not convinced that kaba refers to a stone building in Mecca, then who commanded you to face and circumvent it and why? How does your intentions of facing kaba, as you mentioned earlier, reflect your contradictory and hypocritical statement made earlier? Please exercise caution and reason in whatever you bring about and not just vent out thoughtlessly.
edit you are caught and exposed in your own web. ???
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Peace "Danish",
Yes, in TODAY'S perspective, as mentioned earlier, the word "Allah" has been hijacked but relevant to ancient times, the "Allah" was the most powerful IDOL of all idols including HIS daughters (Allat, Aluzzah and Almannat) among hundreds of other man-made idols and that is a FACT, which brings back my point that it cannot be the "Islam" that you profess.
JK- The most powerful idol meaning the supreme, the one, God, so He is. You can idolize GOD cant you. What you cant is idolize anything besides Him.
The mathematical pattern is nothing but a bogus invented numerology by a fake "sunni" messenger. Lets not mix up this discussion with bigotry and hypocritical data for now.
JK- This is absolutely wrong. The code-19 pattern is truly significant and ive shown this over and over again. Either you dont tend to read my posts or you dont ponder on those points i state in regards to the code. The code-19 is my primary basis for believing in the Quran. Ive analysed this code myself for years and found it always significant in every aspect. You need to be able to connect the dots but aparenty you dont care. If thats the case then theres nothing i can do. Ive presented my proof.
LOL, if you are not convinced that kaba refers to a stone building in Mecca, then who commanded you to face and circumvent it and why? How does your intentions of facing kaba, as you mentioned earlier, reflect your contradictory and hypocritical statement made earlier? Please exercise caution and reason in whatever you bring about and not just vent out thoughtlessly.
JK- You got it wrong. I said that im not convinced that the kaaba in mecca today is NOT the one the Quran refers to.
edit you are caught and exposed in your own web. ???
JK- You obviously misunderstood me. GOD Bless!