You Have Been Warned

unknownuser

Peace ahmed

you wrote
Now let?s have a closer look at Idolfree comment and we will see clearly that it can?t be coming out of a Quran believer as he claims, well, he will not be able to fool me, he can fool a few indeed but not me

Why do you believe that idolfree wants to fool you ?

elke

Peace Elke

For some reason that I don't know I expected you to be the first to reply to my comment, I swear, man

Anyway, that was a sarcastic comment due to the fact, his comment indirectly meant that I'm a coward because I fear Allah hence I have to be motivated and of course, the clear cut deception he insists on promoting on a public forum that Mohammad was never a real person, and to be honest sister and without any offence for you to claim to be a Muslim and support anyone who says this will sure make your Islam questionable, however I respect both of you as humans

cheers

Elena

Peace AhmedBahgat

that hell of the movie is the same hell some Christian priests and nuns portrayed, the red colour, the flames, the bones, the ugly faces, ...

The Hell topic is what made me feel interested in Islam. Before a muslim told me about it, I thought nobody really believed in that. I knew it was a common topic in Christianity but not in my environement where religious hell and heaven are just tales.

I am grateful to that muslim, for me they are still tales, but I ended reading and discussing online and offline the best things and I could know about Metu Neter and other great books.

Elke

Peace ahmed

you said
For some reason that I don't know I expected you to be the first to reply to my comment, I swear, man

that proves that you have a great deal of sensibility that - really, no offence intended, i would not have expected.
I congratulate you for that and propose that you try, from time to time, to look at yourself from far away, as if you saw a stranger. I do it often for myself and it teaches me a lot about myself and my numerous flaws. if you felt my reaction, i'm sure you'll be able to do this !
I can live with the fact that you'll not consider me a muslim and shall not anymore take this as an offence - as i did previously when it came from mquran. It is clear that i do not fit in your definition and i can only hope that God will think differently.

salaams, lk

Tay

Peace Ahmed, all,

I'm sure Kyle can speak for himself, but I just thought I'd point out that there is a difference between "fearing Allah" and "being motivated by the fear of Allah". In my understanding, al-qur'an speaks to both avenues. Some people are motivated by fear, some by love, most need both. At any rate, one can surely be motivated by love while still fearing the Almighty.

Peace,
Tay

arnoldyasin

Peace,

If you do a good deed because you fear you get punished by God if you don't do it, then you are not good by nature. If you do a good deed because of the reward, then again you are not good by nature. Your motivations for the deed are not doing good for the sake of good itself, but out of fear of being punished or missing the reward. So without the punishment you would have not done good, and without the reward you would not have done good. And by thus you are not good by nature.

If a person doesn't do an evil deed because he fears the punishment, then again he is not good by nature, as without the punishment he would have done the evil deed. If a person doesn't do an evil deed because he fears of missing the reward for not doing it, again he is not motivated by being good, but by missing the reward. So without the punishment he would have done evil, and without the reward he would have done evil. These people are no better then dogs, without a treat or punishment they will not listen. They are motivated by fear or greed. Does this make good muslims? No, as the core of such a persons soul is not based on a good nature.

I do good because i understand the nature of doing good. I do good without fear or greed, without need for a reward or fear of punishment. That in the end God will reward for me it, is again showing God is the most Mercifull, the Provider, but because my motivation is for the sake of good itself, my soul is pure, as i'm the same with a reward or punishment as i'm without them. That every deed has a certain result is God's law, His yaumwedeen, the Era of Judgement and Order which is at work all the time.

You have to question yourself, by what are you motivated? And more especially If there were no reward or punishment, would you have still done good, would you have still obeyed God? Answer this question and you will understand the core of your being, the motivator of all your deeds.....

Peace

matinbhagat

Salam,

My answer is i follow God's advice.The quran details a beautiful road map to life,and I just follow God's advice there how best to live and do good,the reward are a welcome consequential benefit,but the joy comes from obeying my creator,trusting his advice and following it.

Peace

noble

Peace to those who seek genuine guidance
People naturally avoid what can hurt them, and follow what they find pleasurable. However they do not know what will benefit them in the long run.
Fear is a deterrent for any living being. Allah uses it to guide us. It is also natural, people have so many fears, natural and unnatural, but in fact they are displaced fears. The fear of Allah is hardwired into every thing in this universe, but Humans mask that fear by displacing it with other fears, such as fear of death, fear of a tyrant, fear of other humans, fear of disease, etc
I find fear of Allah liberating, as then you subjugate all your other fears to the fear of your Creator, and then you have a recipe for fulfilment and happiness, because by serving Him, you will transcend that fear by being conscious of Him. Meaning the fear of Allah is the antidote for all other fears, including the fear of Allah, recursively...
I hope this makes sense, it does make sense to me...
Salam
Noble

Samia

Salaam all

I very much enjoyed the post by Arnoldyasin, because I feel it is much nearer to the meaning of the verb mistakenly translated as "fear" where Allah is concerned. The Arabic translation of "to fear" is "yakhaaf"; which is not at all used by Allah for "fear Allah". The verb used is "yakhsha Allah".

One of the rare usages of this verb in the spoken Arabic is when you say something like "I am afraid you will miss the train if you take the bus". This does not involve fear, but concern. It is not at all appropriate to use this verb for being afraid from someone, but you may use it in "being concerned" about the anger, for example, of someone you care for. Otherwise it is exclusively for Allah.

A derived verb is "yakhtashi", which means to be embarrassed, usually used in a kinder way than "to be ashamed".

I know that all Arabic and English dictionaries explain/translate the verb "yakhsha" as "to be afraid"; but simply because there is no other word to explain it. It is not to find a synonym for, but to be understood in context. Or maybe because humans still do not understand how obedience as a result of love is deeper and more evolved than fobedience out of fear "khawf"

unknownuser

Salaam all

I very much enjoyed the post by Arnoldyasin, because I feel it is much nearer to the meaning of the verb mistakenly translated as "fear" where Allah is concerned. The Arabic translation of "to fear" is "yakhaaf"; which is not at all used by Allah for "fear Allah". The verb used is "yakhsha Allah".

One of the rare usages of this verb in the spoken Arabic is when you say something like "I am afraid you will miss the train if you take the bus". This does not involve fear, but concern. It is not at all appropriate to use this verb for being afraid from someone, but you may use it in "being concerned" about the anger, for example, of someone you care for. Otherwise it is exclusively for Allah.

A derived verb is "yakhtashi", which means to be embarrassed, usually used in a kinder way than "to be ashamed".

I know that all Arabic and English dictionaries explain/translate the verb "yakhsha" as "to be afraid"; but simply because there is no other word to explain it. It is not to find a synonym for, but to be understood in context. Or maybe because humans still do not understand how obedience as a result of love is deeper and more evolved than fobedience out of fear "khawf"

Salam

Actually there is a word for it

I'm worried that I will miss the train

salam

noble

Peace
Sis Samia
I believe from using self referencing within Quran, Yakhsha means to fear, even the explanation of the skin crawling is associated with fear physically.
Allah gets into a dialogue with the People of the Scriptures who advocate Love of God, Allah responds that if they loved Him, why are they not following the guidance.
Furthermore, I think people are very uncomfortable with this idea of fear because they look at God in a very anthropomorphic way, ie through the filters that he should behave like us, and that scaring us is not fair, He should love us. With the associated connotations of pleasure associated with Love and the pain asscociated with Fear.
However that Fear is not acted upon by Allah (towards believers), it is just a mark of respect. Allah says that He is not respected the way He should be respected despite the Heavens and the Earths will be in the clutches of His Power on Doomsday.
Salam
Noble

unknownuser

Salam Samia

Can you please translate the following to us " "

Salam

unknownuser

Peace AhmedBahgat

that hell of the movie is the same hell some Christian priests and nuns portrayed, the red colour, the flames, the bones, the ugly faces, ...

The Hell topic is what made me feel interested in Islam. Before a muslim told me about it, I thought nobody really believed in that. I knew it was a common topic in Christianity but not in my environement where religious hell and heaven are just tales.

I am grateful to that muslim, for me they are still tales, but I ended reading and discussing online and offline the best things and I could know about Metu Neter and other great books.

Peace sister

sure and this tells me that all religions came from the one and only God, but I just don'd understand what you mean by it still tales for you?

do you believe Jahannam is a physical place or not?

Cheers

arnoldyasin

Peace
Sis Samia
I believe from using self referencing within Quran, Yakhsha means to fear, even the explanation of the skin crawling is associated with fear physically.
Allah gets into a dialogue with the People of the Scriptures who advocate Love of God, Allah responds that if they loved Him, why are they not following the guidance.
Furthermore, I think people are very uncomfortable with this idea of fear because they look at God in a very anthropomorphic way, ie through the filters that he should behave like us, and that scaring us is not fair, He should love us. With the associated connotations of pleasure associated with Love and the pain asscociated with Fear.
However that Fear is not acted upon by Allah (towards believers), it is just a mark of respect. Allah says that He is not respected the way He should be respected despite the Heavens and the Earths will be in the clutches of His Power on Doomsday.
Salam
Noble

Peace Noble,

This was the question

You have to question yourself, by what are you motivated? And more especially If there were no reward or punishment, would you have still done good, would you have still obeyed God? Answer this question and you will understand the core of your being, the motivator of all your deeds.....

Would you still do only good deeds if there was no reward or punishment? People mostly fear God as they need it to stay on the right path. This is not wrong by itself, but eventualy it must be left behind, as the soul must become so pure it doesn't need reward or punishment to be good, it just IS good.

It is a yes or no question, but don't answer me, answer it to yourself....

Peace

unknownuser

Peace ahmed

Salam Elke

you said For some reason that I don't know I expected you to be the first to reply to my comment, I swear, man

that proves that you have a great deal of sensibility that - really, no offence intended, i would not have expected.

I guess it was the sixth sense

I congratulate you for that and propose that you try, from time to time, to look at yourself from far away,

Thanks for the advice, but why I have to look at myself from far away, can't I look at myself from a close point?

as if you saw a stranger.

oh no, it is impossible that I will be stranger to myself, hmmm, does not make sense sister

I do it often for myself and it teaches me a lot about myself and my numerous flaws.

Did you see yourself as a stranger?

if you felt my reaction, i'm sure you'll be able to do this !

well, I do it everyday actually, but I look at myself from close by not from far away, also I find no strangers when I do it.

I can live with the fact that you'll not consider me a muslim

Actually i never said that, all I said supporting someone who claims that Mohammad was not real will make YOUR ISLAM questionable, not by me but by Allah, as He told us in te Quran that Mohammad was a real person as all other prohets were and guess what?, a Muslim should believe in that

and shall not anymore take this as an offence -

People should not take the truth as an offence, they should learn how to handle the truth

as i did previously when it came from mquran. It is clear that i do not fit in your definition and i can only hope that God will think differently.

salaams, lk

Of course God thinks different to humans, however He told us many things of what He is thinking about

Salam

unknownuser

Salaam all

I very much enjoyed the post by Arnoldyasin, because I feel it is much nearer to the meaning of the verb mistakenly translated as "fear" where Allah is concerned. The Arabic translation of "to fear" is "yakhaaf"; which is not at all used by Allah for "fear Allah". The verb used is "yakhsha Allah".

One of the rare usages of this verb in the spoken Arabic is when you say something like "I am afraid you will miss the train if you take the bus". This does not involve fear, but concern. It is not at all appropriate to use this verb for being afraid from someone, but you may use it in "being concerned" about the anger, for example, of someone you care for. Otherwise it is exclusively for Allah.

A derived verb is "yakhtashi", which means to be embarrassed, usually used in a kinder way than "to be ashamed".

I know that all Arabic and English dictionaries explain/translate the verb "yakhsha" as "to be afraid"; but simply because there is no other word to explain it. It is not to find a synonym for, but to be understood in context. Or maybe because humans still do not understand how obedience as a result of love is deeper and more evolved than fobedience out of fear "khawf"

Peace Samia

Just to let you know that "Khashia" has nothing to do with "Ikhtasha", it is just a case of similar letters and I know this confuses many new Arabic commers, what you should know that the word "Ikhtasha", is the "Masddar" "The root" itself and it is one of those 5 letters roots, like "Igtmaa", "Iktafa", "Izdahara

The Alif and Ta in Ikhtasha CAN NOT BE DROPPED to determine the "Masddar"

Salam

unknownuser

Peace
Sis Samia
I believe from using self referencing within Quran, Yakhsha means to fear, even the explanation of the skin crawling is associated with fear physically.
Allah gets into a dialogue with the People of the Scriptures who advocate Love of God, Allah responds that if they loved Him, why are they not following the guidance.
Furthermore, I think people are very uncomfortable with this idea of fear because they look at God in a very anthropomorphic way, ie through the filters that he should behave like us, and that scaring us is not fair, He should love us. With the associated connotations of pleasure associated with Love and the pain asscociated with Fear.
However that Fear is not acted upon by Allah (towards believers), it is just a mark of respect. Allah says that He is not respected the way He should be respected despite the Heavens and the Earths will be in the clutches of His Power on Doomsday.
Salam
Noble

Peace bro

Not fearing Allah is called ARROGANCE and the Quran told us clearly that Allah does not like those arrogant

their limited knowledge about Allah is the reason for sure, they can't think that FEARING Allah is also part of the test, the test is not believeing in Allah alone, it is believing in all what He said

Salam bro

unknownuser

Peace Ahmed, all,

I'm sure Kyle can speak for himself, but I just thought I'd point out that there is a difference between "fearing Allah" and "being motivated by the fear of Allah".

Peace Tay

Mate, this is confusing and very vague, motivated to do what exactly?, study, eat, travel, etc?. or motivated to believe in Allah?

If he meant the latest, then thanks for the laugh, a clear cut contradiction indeed for someone who says Mohammad never existed

In my understanding, al-qur'an speaks to both avenues. Some people are motivated by fear, some by love, most need both. At any rate, one can surely be motivated by love while still fearing the Almighty.

Peace,
Tay

Motivation has nothing to do with fearing Allah, I just don?t understand how the hell someone in total fear can be motivated to do anything?, it does NOT add up bro

Salam

unknownuser

Peace,

If you do a good deed because you fear you get punished by God if you don't do it, then you are not good by nature.

Brother Arnold

Allah does not punish for not doing the good, He punishes for doing the bad, but was a nice twist by you

Cheers

unknownuser

Salam,

My answer is i follow God's advice.The quran details a beautiful road map to life,and I just follow God's advice there how best to live and do good,the reward are a welcome consequential benefit,but the joy comes from obeying my creator,trusting his advice and following it.

Peace

Exactly, and please tell me bro, how simple you found the above simple?

cheers

unknownuser

Hello All

Let me show these verses before I take my daughter to school and head to work for a busy day

57 Verily those who live in awe for fear of their Lord;

58 Those who believe in the Signs of their Lord;

59 Those who join not (in worship) partners with their Lord;

60 And those who dispense their charity with their hearts full of fear, because they will return to their Lord;-

61 It is these who hasten in every good work, and these who are foremost in them.

(57)
(5
(59)
(60)
(61)

-> The above verses again describe the true believers, these beliebers who have NOTHING to be embarrassed of

57 Verily those who live in awe for fear of their Lord;
58 Those who believe in the Signs of their Lord;
59 Those who join not (in worship) partners with their Lord;
60 And those who dispense their charity with their hearts full of fear, because they will return to their Lord;-
61 It is these who hasten in every good work, and these who are foremost in them.

Now why those who do what is listed in 2,3,4, 5 be embarrassed of Allah as stated in 1?, see it does not make sense

The word Ikhtasha ?embarrassed? is totally different Arabic word that happens to have the ?Kha, Sheen and Ya?

Salam