You Have Been Warned
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Peace Samia
Just to let you know that "Khashia" has nothing to do with "Ikhtasha", it is just a case of similar letters and I know this confuses many new Arabic commers, what you should know that the word "Ikhtasha", is the "Masddar" "The root" itself and it is one of those 5 letters roots, like "Igtmaa", "Iktafa", "Izdahara
The Alif and Ta in Ikhtasha CAN NOT BE DROPPED to determine the "Masddar"
Peace Ahmed
Just to let you know that ikhtasha and khashia are two verbs derived form one root. iktasha is a verb of the pattern "ifta3a" known as form 8, khashia is form 1. It is definitely not a masddar.
Also, a 5-letters-root does not exist. All the examples you gave are for verbs of the pattern (, jama3a, kafa, zahara being their (form 1) verbs.I think sister you need Anwar for that one
I can assure you that 4 and 5 root Masdar exist, it is called Kalimat Jamida
But i will leave it at this until Anwar tell us what he thinks regarding the 5 letters root
Salam
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Peace bro "AB",
JK- I know GOD always warns before giving punishment. But the qs i asked is why does GOD make mention of hell and it's features at all? He could have just said that those who disbelieved would face severe punishment. Now you get my point? GOD Bless!
Peace bro
come on bro, i don't expect these sort of questions from a believer, however here is my answer mate
He described the hell in details to us because He chose to do so
Salam
JK- Bro i believe to everything GOD has a reason. Theres nothing just in vain. GOD even says this in the Quran that nothing did He create in vain. Everything has to have a reason and one of the more reasobale reasons i see for the punishment of hell is also to motivate people. Ofcourse the reward also plays a very significant part in this. The BOTH DO. GOD Bless!
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Peace bro "AB",
Peace mate
JK- Bro i believe to everything GOD has a reason.
Of course, but let me ask you these two questions
- Do you believe that He told us all His reasons regarding all His plans?
- Do you believe that He SHOULD tell us all His reasons regarding all His plans?
Theres nothing just in vain.
Of course again, no believer will say this about Allah creation
GOD even says this in the Quran that nothing did He create in vain.
That is why believers will stand firm to that statement, because it was said by Him.
Everything has to have a reason and one of the more reasobale reasons i see for the punishment of hell is also to motivate people.
that is what you see bro however you are confusing the common sense in here
FEAR DOES NOT MOTIVATE, it actually does the opposite however the task required will be done by force
It would have been easy on Allah to create us without freewill and we just worship Him day and night like all others creatures "sun, earth, etc etc..), would you have prefered that life bro?, no reward no punishment?
Now instead of that, He created a new law, that law is simply, He ecreated us ONLY to worship Him but we will have a freewill to make our decisions, then He told us that anyone who will meet Him kafir, will be doomed regardless of the deeds. this is no motivation whatsoever this is a law as a result of a given freewill.
Now, He motivated us regarding all other sins, and He said He may forgive them all if you are not a kafir, see how there is a reward in here?, He told us if you repenet from the bad deeds and do not insist on it then it will be replaced with good deeds, again, can you see the motivation in here? there is a reward of course, and for the good deeds, He told us the reward for it will be multiplied if we are believers, again a reward and a motivation
With Hell bro, there is no reward, if you are a kafir, you will be doomed, THIS IS A THREAT NOT A MOTIVATION
Again people need to escape that satanic feel good religion attitude because it does not work with Islam
Ofcourse the reward also plays a very significant part in this. The BOTH DO. GOD Bless!
I believe only the rewards like Allah forgivness and His paradise will play all the part in motivation
Salam
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Peace Bro Ahmed.
I am impressed by your memory of all the occurences of the word Yakhsha.
I believe the meaning depends on the context. Do not forget there are other words for fear in other languages too, how about "being scared", or "being anxious", "terrorised"..., and each produce a different shade of meaning
Again Allah never used Khawf Allah.
In some examples you cited, khashiata means giving more importance to, giving more importance to a creature or a thing than to Allah.
By the way I do not really care about translations of Quran. I agree Kashia includes fear, but not always. In the case of Khashiati Allah in Arabic, for me it means not only fear, also giving importance to and showing respect.
The Quran also warns us from taking things out of their context....And as always Allah knows best
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Peace Bro Ahmed.
I am impressed by your memory of all the occurences of the word Yakhsha.
I believe the meaning depends on the context. Do not forget there are other words for fear in other languages too, how about "being scared", or "being anxious", "terrorised"..., and each produce a different shade of meaning
Again Allah never used Khawf Allah.
In some examples you cited, khashiata means giving more importance to, giving more importance to a creature or a thing than to Allah.
By the way I do not really care about translations of Quran. I agree Kashia includes fear, but not always. In the case of Khashiati Allah in Arabic, for me it means not only fear, also giving importance to and showing respect.
The Quran also warns us from taking things out of their context....And as always Allah knows best
Thank you bro
I hope you concede after reading the following verse that The Quran said we should "Nakhaf Allah"
And remember your Lord within yourself humbly and fearing and in a voice not loud in the morning and the evening and be not of the heedless ones.
(205)
-> See bro , "And remember your Lord within yourself humbly and fearing "
So fearing Allah was an order using the word "Khafa"
Salam
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Peace
Again Bro Ahmed
And Allah was right to say that we humans are the most argumentative creatures, certainly I am... ;D
SalamPeace bro
I was one as well bro, but I'm glad I manged to take my ego away and leave it to Allah words to explaint itself
people think I'm argumantative, but the fact of the matter is verse 1736 say "Don't argue if you lack knowledge" and that is exactly what I try hard to do, the message of 1736 is very positive indeed because it allows you to argue if you have the knowledge
Take care bro
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Peace Bro Ahmed
I love arguing, but I do not have the energy to keep it up even when I am correct...
You too take care...Peace bro
Did you notice that "Khifa" was on the same wazn as "Khashia"?
cheers
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Peace
Bro Ahmed
Yes it has the same emphasis. However the injunction or order was for the Prophet. I know Allah said He was the ultimate example for us, but I believe that it is very hard for the average believer to have the same faith as the Prophet himself...
Also are there other occurences of the word Khifa that is linked directly as an order to the Muslims, not the Prophet in isolation...
I told you I love arguing, but will probably not keep it up with you )
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Peace bro "AB",
With Hell bro, there is no reward, if you are a kafir, you will be doomed, THIS IS A THREAT NOT A MOTIVATION
JK- I get a feeling that you might be thinking that i deny it being a threat. If thts the case then know tht i dont. I considered it BOTH a threat and a motivation. GOD Bless!
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Peace AB
This is what I see as a proper translation to 74/30-31 by Piktchal
"Over it Nineteen
AND We have not made/appointed/set the wardens of the fire others than angels; and We have NOT made/appointed/set their number BUT a fitna for those who disbelieve(d); that those who have been given the book may attain certainty AND those who believe may increase in faith; AND those who have been given the book and the believers may not doubt, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the unbelievers may say What does Allah mean by this mathal? Thus does Allah make err whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases, and none knows the hosts of your Lord but He Himself; and this is naught but a reminder to the mortals."
Fitna also means 'to research the purity of gold' and also 'to throw it in the fire to purify it from unpurities'. And 'malikah' i wouldn't translate as 'angels' but as 'ones in control' which is a closer translation of 'malikah', angel is a given title, not a translation, so here for me it refers to the Laws which are in control of the purity of the Quran. And kafr i would translate as someone who buries the truth for his 'self'.
"And We have not made/appointed/set the wardens of the fire others than the Laws that control ; and We have not made/appointed/set their number but 1) a purifying act (fitna) for those who bury the truth for themselves(kafr); 2)that those who have been given the book may attain certainty and 3)those who believe may increase in faith; and 4)those who have been given the book and the believers may not doubt, and 5)that those in whose hearts is a disease and the ones who bury the truth for themselves may say What does Allah mean by this mathal? Thus does Allah make err whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills, and none knows the forces of your Sustainer but He Himself; and this is naught but a reminder to the mortals."
For me, the fire doesn't refer only to something in the Next Life. Fire refers to something that consumes and doesn't feed you. Like an illusion only consumes as you cannot base it on reality, so you have to feed yourself to keep it alive, instead of it feeding you and keeping you alive.
For example Idolatry is called an illusion in 3130, and in 2257 it is said that people who commit idolatry are in the fire.
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That is so for God is the Reality(Haq), and what they invoke other than Him is illusion. Indeed God is all-high and supreme.
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God is the friend of those who believe, and leads them out of darkness into light; but the patrons of the ones who bury the truth for themselves(kafaruu) is everything that is served next to God/idols(taghhout) who lead them from light into darkness. They are the residents of Fire, and will abide therein.
So the 'wardens of the fire are the Laws(ones in control=malikah)' refers to the borders between truth and falsehood, between reality and illusion. Between a true verse or word and even letter of the Quran and a fake one.
Peace
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The 'battle-ground' as you put it was started for a very simple reason You take every opportunity to malign or belittle AQ. And you know what? I will continue to question every thing you say so that not a single one of your defecations go unquestioned. Lets hope rule 2 makes a comeback.
Your admittance to politicise this forum and to create a battle ground will not work, no matter how hard you try, with or without me, because you are not the Al-Qaeda style member-made deity nor the prophet of this forum, where people will simply succumb and submit to your hostilities. Take that stance somewhere else or keep it confined to your home.
You can give my criticisms whatever names you like, such as defecations, urinations and quran-bashings, that too won't work, simply because you yourself do exactly that, i.e. the practice of analyzing, classifying, interpreting, or evaluating the literacy of Quranic injunctions, a deplorable state of confusion to "defecate/urinate (criticise)" on just about every word, verse and/or paragraph in the Quran in the broader sense of dicussions, including your mocking and mimicking of your "Allah".
DanishYour question 1, deviates from subject matter, which is "fearing Allah" as claimed? If you need definitions of words, then check dictionaries.
Lol. How am I deviating from the subject matter. You said 'DanishFearing an "Allah" is historically correct but realistically, scientifically and logically incorrect.'
So the subject matter is still 'fear of allah' and why its 'realistically and logically' incorrect.
The dictionaries do not contain a usage which agrees with your comments.Now kindly tell me what you mean
mquran's 3-in-1 question 1. Why is it 'realistically' incorrect? Please define 'realistically' and your evidence that this definition is wholly objective. The definition of 'realistically' and its evidence, along with other definitions of 'historically', 'logically' and 'scientifically' can be found in dictionaries.
I shall only explain what I wrote and that is "Fearing an "Allah" is historically correct but realistically, scientifically and logically incorrect." I am not here to give definitions to words you pick and choose but to explain my statement and in accordance to the following
My approach towards certain verses mentioned above in relations to 7431 and others comes from analysing historical significance. It has nothing to do with "afterlife" or code-19. If I bring my thoughts into this, I'm sure I'll be bashed out by some belligerents unecessarily and become a battle ground. What say you? Do I get a green light?
Moderators, I invoke rule 2. This person should be made to answer for his critique.
Started crying again, eh. You can shed tears all you want all over the forum and I will respond only once you start behaving and get back into serious discussion. Here's a reminder
mquranThat's all Im asking for here responsible, amicable discussion.
This is not found in your ?dictionary?. Just dream on. As can be seen that this discussion itself is getting detoriated; thanks to "defecations/urinations" of mquran.
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Danishmquran's 3-in-1 question 1. Why is it 'realistically' incorrect? Please define 'realistically' and your evidence that this definition is wholly objective. The definition of 'realistically' and its evidence, along with other definitions of 'historically', 'logically' and 'scientifically' can be found in dictionaries.
I shall only explain what I wrote and that is "Fearing an "Allah" is historically correct but realistically, scientifically and logically incorrect."
Ok, let me switch modes to 'kindergarten' and ask again
Danish Fearing an Allah is REALISTICALLY, LOGICALLY, AND SCIENTIFICALLY incorrect.
Mquran Why is it INCORRECT ? What constitutes 'correct' ? Please show me a 'correct' answer and by what measure this is correct ?
Do you understand what 'why' means ? This means that, by the definitions in the dictionary, there's a reason that you said 'fearing an Allah is incorrect'. WHAT are those reasons?
Kindly remember rule 2 please. This isn't some kuffar forum for you to play with.
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This isn't some kuffar forum for you to play with.
If it isn't a kuffar forum, then it is certainly not meant for a "prophet of doom"; a bigoted and pychopathic ayatollah (mquran) whose clone can be witnessed here http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBplylx55Zc&mode=related&search=mullah
You want a battle field by such insurgencies, there you have it. Unless you stop infiltrated remarks to begin/end every discussion or criticism put forth and your kindergarten switching modes, I shall only respond to your "fair play" of beating the drums.
A psychiatrist is much needed on your behalf at this time before any further discussion commences.
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peace
the above two posts are a great example of how it all starts.
If you're asking a question, why not just ask the question instead of topping it with insults?
and if someone asks you a question (yes you Danish), it's polite to answer it instead of throwing more insults.
grow up!
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Phoenix, this isn't the first time I'm addressing him. Danish's tactic is pretending to delay answering on the pretext that he's busy. However, he's not too busy to answer other threads or to do continue his disparagement of AQ. I suggest you grow up and wise up to this, no offense.