Are contact prayers really necessary?
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Salaam @Heart,
U have said this
I find contact prayers hard to do, because I don't want to recite Surahs from the Quran that I don't understand
If that so, why dont u learn to understand the Surahs from the Qur'aan that u have to recite on ur salaat? instead of not wanting to recite surahs that u dont understand, then why u dont trained urself to understand them?
When Allah command us to do something, and we found it to be hard to do or even hard to accept, then it must be something wrong with us (the human, the creation, unperfect thing) and not The Creator.I feel like a fool when I make up prayers while standing in the middle of my room and trying to focus on God.
Don't be!!! Either u standing alone in the middle of your room or standing alone in the middle of desert, Allah witness everything. Again @heart, to be focus to our Creator, u need to practise urself and also when u do Salaat, u need to come humble and realise that ur just a human, nothing but a weak thing that Allah has created. And ur about to worship The Creator, eventhough u cant see Him, but with your faith, u know that He's there and always there to witness everything.
I also experience that when I do my contact prayers I most of the time do it against my will.
Thats because u still think Salaat as a burden instead as a need for us as a human. U dont really find its necessary to do Salaat, as long as we remember Allah, then it will be enough. Well @Heart, Allah is The One Who give us laws and rules to follow and not us.
I feel guilty when I don't keep up doing the contact prayers.
Thats good because u know that ur wrong at least u feel that way.
I myself don't have the feeling that it's necessary, because I'm always connected with God. And when I say always, I mean 24/7! I don't really believe in a standard ritual contact prayer just to connect with God.
Again @Heart, we are not the one who give the laws and the rules of this life. Its Allah Who does that.
If we did on your way, later on people would say that we dont need to feed poor people or to give some of our money to our families (relatives) as long as we stay humble and kind or husbands will say, we dont need to be the beard earners for our family as long as we be a good husband and stay loyal with our wives or women to say we dont need to wear long dress and wear khamar (head-covering) because the important is our heart. etc etc.But again @Heart, its not us who give the law. Its Allah. And one of Allah command is to do Salaat, the real Salaat prayer beside of course we have to remember Him always. How we remember Allah? its not enough to just sleep with Allah in ur mind. Im not saying its wrong, but its just not enough. To remember Allah always is to do all what His command and to avoid all what He forbid. We can not choose one that we prefer, we have to do all of His rules. No human is perfect but Allah judge us by our intensions. So we must to try to do our best.
I will give you one ayat that I see fit on your situation, may u learn something from this
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You shall enjoin your family to observe the contact prayers (Salat), and steadfastly persevere in doing so. We do not ask you for any provisions; we are the ones who provide for you. The ultimate triumph belongs to the righteous.Salaam
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Peace be upon you Heart,
Salaat is very important because it is our MEANS OF CHANGING, which is what this is all about CHANGING our behavior. Respectfully, get rid of that "conection" understanidng, you are already connected to the God. God is the very core of your being. God intends to manifest on earth through your vehicle, but you must purify(zakaat) your vehicle(nafs/subconcious).
Salaat is how you PROGRAM your mind, and therefore your behavior.
What we must understandis that our responses to life situations happen AUTOMATIC, and in order to make sure we respond CORRECTLY to life situations in a GOD Like manner, AUTOMATICALLY, we have to reprogram our subconcious.
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Peace be upon you Heart,
Salaat is very important because it is our MEANS OF CHANGING, which is what this is all about CHANGING our behavior. Respectfully, get rid of that "conection" understanidng, you are already connected to the God. God is the very core of your being. God intends to manifest on earth through your vehicle, but you must purify(zakaat) your vehicle(nafs/subconcious).
Salaat is how you PROGRAM your mind, and therefore your behavior.
What we must understandis that our responses to life situations happen AUTOMATIC, and in order to make sure we respond CORRECTLY to life situations in a GOD Like manner, AUTOMATICALLY, we have to reprogram our subconcious.Salam.
I don't understanmd this, can you explain what you meant when you said"GOD Like manner, ....".
What does this GOD Like manner mean?Salam.
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Peace be upon you,
When I say "GOD LIKE", I am referring to the fact that the God's attributes are stated for us to manifest them through our vehicle. Go through the list of attributes and then you will understand what kind of character we are suppossed to be manifesting. It comes naturally when we PURIFY the NAFS through "salaat" (programming).
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Peace Kyle,
This matter of GOD,s intention to manifest, is for me a strong pillar of Faith. Looking into nature overwhelms how this manifestation evolves and the act of creation continues!
Each flower, each single creation is a demonstration of The Almighty?s will to Manifest!
When Muhammad and Jesus had their spirits tuned up to purity, The Divine manifested HIS PRESENCE through their vehicles. They became Divine, son of GOD and?. In the image of the average man; who did not realize that they have also that gift in themselves to go aside with their SELVES and let the Divine flow come through.
Peace,
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Peace be upon you Alpha97,
Yes, this reading(quran) tells us that success comes through purification of the subconcious/spirit(nafs)
(917-10) By the spirit (subconcious) and who made/straightened it, So He inspired/transmitted (to) it its bad and good, Who purified/corrected it had succeeded/won, And who buried it/plotted against it (corrupted it) had failed/despaired.
This is what its all about, reprogramming the spirit(subconcious) to carry out God's attributes rather than being led by emotions to that which is incorrect. The spirit, our subconcious, is like a garden, whatever seeds we plant (AT THE RIGHT TIME) will grow and we must protect them from weeds and animals.
He who purifies his garden gets success (Janna), he who does not tend the garden will allow weeds and animals to destroy it as if a fire came throuogh.
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Salam,
Well why would prayers not be necessary?That should be the question when quran has mentioned prayer so many times.
Peace
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Peace be upon you,
when quran has mentioned prayer so many times.
Salat does not equal "prayer". Dua is the word for prayer. But your point still remians. Dua is mentioned and when we call on the God it helps us focus our attention on the situation.
Salaat is the process of programing the spirit(subconcious) in order to change your behavior to give the desired effect/outcome.
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Peace "idolfree",
Salat does not equal "prayer". Dua is the word for prayer. But your point still remians. Dua is mentioned and when we call on the God it helps us focus our attention on the situation.
JK- Not every "prayer" is "salat" but every salat is a "prayer", a particular type of prayer.
Salaat is the process of programing the spirit(subconcious) in order to change your behavior to give the desired effect/outcome.
JK- This is correct. Now tell me something , did u reach to this conclusion by yourself or did you get it from somebody? If you did then from whom? GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you Johhny K,
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Salaat is the process of programing the spirit(subconcious) in order to change your behavior to give the desired effect/outcome.JK- This is correct. Now tell me something , did u reach to this conclusion by yourself or did you get it from somebody?
I got the objective understanding of programming the subconcious from someone else, I connected it with salaat myself.
If you did then from whom? GOD Bless!
Ra Un Nefer Amen
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Peace "idolfree",
I got the objective understanding of programming the subconcious from someone else, I connected it with salaat myself.
JK- Ic, yes the latter was the point. Did you know that Dr. Zakir Naike(famous sunni scholar, debator and medical doctor) gave this very explanation of salat to mean "programming of soul" too? Who is "Ra un.."? Is he a sunni too? GOD Bless!
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Peace all,
Salat helps us to program ourselves and obey Allah by remembering Allah. All zikr (remembrance) of Allah is not salat but all salat is a special way of remembering Allah.
2014 "I am God, there is no god but Me, so serve Me and uphold the salat for My remembrance."
How does Allah's remembrance help us ? FJ summarises it in another thread and I quote
the state of remembering God keeps one from doing evil deeds and reminds one that difficult situations are only a test through which God wants to see whether we shake our belief in HIM and thus one is at peace in all situations. So this state of remembering God all the time is achieved and aided with salat, which reminds one also of the reason for being here to serve God alone by helping the poor, the needy, and all other things mentioned in the reading, which make one righteous person thus achieving the ultimate success and that is being admitted in Paradise.
Peace
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Peace be upon you Jonny K,
JK- Ic, yes the latter was the point. Did you know that Dr. Zakir Naike(famous sunni scholar, debator and medical doctor) gave this very explanation of salat to mean "programming of soul" too?
No, I did not. I would like to read more about his understanding, do you have a book or website you can foward to me?
Who is "Ra un.."? Is he a sunni too? GOD Bless!
Ra Un Nefer Amen is the King of the Ausar Auset Society, A Pan African spiritual group. No, he is not a sunni. May the God bless you as well.
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Peace be upon you Tanveer,
The rememberence of the God is attained through programming of the Nafs(subconscios/spirit/soul). What must be understood from a psychological perpective is that most of our actions in life in response to events happen AUTOMATICALLY due to conditioning we recieve throughout life. For example if you grow up seeing your parents and others responding to difficulties through anger and violence, then your subconscious REMEMBERS this and when you face the same situations, you tend to respond the same way. We must reprogram our incorrect responses to reflect correct conduct and behavior, and this is what is meant by "remembering the God".
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Idolfree, I respect what you said.
To summarize it, you claim that Salat ( contact) is different than Dua, in that Salat is a 24-hour/day, never-ending process, in which we try to tune our subconsiousness with God, which in turn will affect our actions. In short, Salat ,according to you, means that you are constantly in contact with God. Is this what you;re trying to say? Or am I wrong?
Dua ( prayer) , on the other hand , is a ritualistic form of Salat?Why does the Quran always stress the importance of dawn ( before sunrise ), and dusk ( before sunset) as the best times for dua??
Also, note that the verse which mentions the ablution, says "Itha Qumtum ila-salati" and not "itha qumtum ila-dua" confused . So if Salat is a never-ending process, how can one perform ablution before doing it??All this ( ablution / fixed times ) leads one to think that Salat CAN \assume a ritualistic form.. Dua, is in fact a kind of Salat isn't it?
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Salaam,
I read the "timings" of salat in two ways. One of them is a literal dawn and dusk, that I always use for reading and studying the quran in order to learn more and for The God's remembrance.
The other way to read the timings is that I take the "dawn" as the time when I am awake (usually during the whole day); and I take "dusk" or "night" as the time when I am only partially awake (I have to sleep during some part of the night). Thus, when Surah 73 is talking about "standing up" only a part of the night, that is because there is no way for me not to sleep at night. I need at least 5-6 hours of sleep. Thus, during the sleep, I don't do the salat simply because I am not aware. Of course, it's different if I can be totally aware in my dreams like some individuals can do.
In this sense, when Isa mentions about performing the salat as long as he lived, I take it as keeping in the state of remembering The God at all times when he was awake.
Coming back to the title of this thread, my answer is Yes, having "contact" is necessary; but whether it is through a certain form of prayer or something else, is completely personal. (In the way I read it, this "contact" through salat should happen at all times when we are awake).
=adley=
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Peace "idolfree",
No, I did not. I would like to read more about his understanding, do you have a book or website you can foward to me?
JK- Yes ofcourse
http//www.irf.net/irf/drzakirnaik/Ra Un Nefer Amen is the King of the Ausar Auset Society, A Pan African spiritual group. No, he is not a sunni. May the God bless you as well.
JK- Ok thanx. GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you,
When I say "GOD LIKE", I am referring to the fact that the God's attributes are stated for us to manifest them through our vehicle. Go through the list of attributes and then you will understand what kind of character we are suppossed to be manifesting. It comes naturally when we PURIFY the NAFS through "salaat" (programming).
peace
very very good mashaAllah i totally can understand what your saying but the next logical question is how does one program ones conscoius so that it can automatically react in the right way?
how is the salat supposed to be performed in order to make the most of the healing and learning process?
Amanda
i get what your saying totally about the attributes of God
Amanda