FEARING "ALLAH"
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I guess the point of his analogy was lost on you . It's understandable ...
I guess the 'bomb' mistakenly got implanted into you and now Nadeem must come forward to diffuse it before it explodes.
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lol Danish, Danish, Danish .. when will you learn
ok enough antics back to the topic dear Danish
It's interesting that you agree with sis Elena's definition of "fear God" but yet you have this thread... please explain
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It's interesting that you agree with sis Elena's definition of "fear God" but yet you have this thread... please explain
I never did. What are you reading into, LOL? As a matter of fact, I'm still awaiting their responses to my last posts addressed to both of them and shall then rebut. If you can explain yourself better to essentially accomodate "fearing Allah", then please join in.
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Peace soul2squeeze, Danish, all
soul2squeeze, I understood Danish didn't agree, he is asking if that reverence or admiration comes from fear-fear or from love and respect.
Danish, the fear of God I learnt came out of awareness of God + respect. Love was not involved in this part of the doctrine.
The fear-frigthtened is another component of the religion yes, it was present during the time of the adoctrination, but for some reason it was not as hard as that if we couldn't overcome it. We could.
The two kinds of 'fears' were clearly separated. In fact they should have different words, so different they are.
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soul2squeeze, I understood Danish didn't agree, he is asking if that reverence or admiration comes from fear-fear or from love and respect.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Danish, the fear of God I learnt came out of awareness of God + respect. Love was not involved in this part of the doctrine.
The fear-frigthtened is another component of the religion yes, it was present during the time of the adoctrination, but for some reason it was not as hard as that if we couldn't overcome it. We could.
The two kinds of 'fears' were clearly separated. In fact they should have different words, so different they are.
Reverence, awe and veneration does NOT mean two kinds of fears but carry dual components which conveys opposite meanings. I agree that one of its meanings convey fear and dismay, hence needs an explanation relevant to "Allah" in order to accomodate and exercise its legitimacy. In other words, why must one FEAR Allah and if reverence has two meanings, why choose one over the other?
Do you think that "GOD" is a known or and unknown deity? This question directly relates to "fearing Allah".
This crucial question got left out.
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Easy danish. Nice topic... bravo sun
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Easy danish. Nice topic... bravo sun
) peace
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Hi brother Danish,
I guess the 'bomb' mistakenly got implanted into you and now Nadeem must come forward to diffuse it before it explodes.
Are you making fun of me, brother? )
It's okay for me brother, but you should ask yourself "Why did I make that comment? Did it help me or anyone get closer to the truth?"The subject is "fear of allah". Now, believe or not, "fear of allah" has actually very little or absolutely nothing to do with whatever 'allah' might be in absolute terms.
It has more to do with the person in which this fear manifests itself and how that person responds to it. Therefore, in my analogy, I did not pay to much attention on properly describing 'allah', rather I tried my best to describe the negative and positive effects of such fear. I tried to explain how a patient person is humbled by his fears, and how a impulsive person is panicked by his. That was my focus. I apologize if that was wholly irrelevant for you.
Maybe you are wondering why I did not consider the definition 'allah' a deciding factor. That is because the way a believer handles fear is not limited to 'allah' alone, but every kind of fear.
I must admit however, 'fear' is best explained psychologically (I believe), and that is one explanation I have yet to acquaint myself with. So I'm offering my opinions as sort of "beta versions", hehe -)
For those brothers and sisters who understood my point and found it helpful; I'm glad to hear that I could help -)
Nadeem
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Hi brother Danish,
I guess the 'bomb' mistakenly got implanted into you and now Nadeem must come forward to diffuse it before it explodes.
Are you making fun of me, brother? )
It's okay for me brother, but you should ask yourself "Why did I make that comment? Did it help me or anyone get closer to the truth?"No, not at all, brother Nadeem. I respect your views and style of discussion. The statement made above was an analogy upon S2S which he didn't understand. He spoke on behalf of you a few times making fun of me. I wanted S2S to speak for himself and hence having you to come forward before S2S starts venting out on me.
I shall respond to other half of your post soon.
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peace
um...S2S is a "she."
God controls universal law. It is this law (cause and effect) that we should live by. We are not to fear a being that will come down from the clouds and smite us. We are to fear the might of God. What CAN happen as a result of our actions.
If we fear that, we will be careful with our actions and with our beliefs. This is what I think right now. -
Thanks Phoenix lol
I also wasn't trying to make fun of anyone and if you took it that way, Danish I apologize. That's not my style...
Oh and I also wasn't speaking on behalf of anyone either.
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Hi Danish,
Thanks
I find it reassuring that you respect my style of discussion, I'll try to keep it that way
Though my views might change, but that's not necessarily a bad thingNadeem
Good deal, Nadeem. Views do change over time and have yet to come across who hasn't. My own life story is one gigantic roller coaster. Knowledge and logic combined is something that cannot be bought and only ends with time. Like it or not, but all this Allah and God business has made my life think twice; Twice Bitten, Once Shy!
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Peace Danish
Reverence, awe and veneration does NOT mean two kinds of fears ...
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I didn't say awe and veneration mean two kind of fears. They both belong to the same kind, anyway.I'll try in other words two of the noumerous concepts involved in religion are called using the same word, fear, but they have different meaning, 'fear of God' it is not to be afraid of God but reverence, awareness, etc, and apart from that there is a component of fear in religion, the fear of punishment or hell. Both meanings coexist but are separated. I see them as 'points' of the doctrine.
Maybe I can't convey this to you correctly, perhaps one has to have been into it, indoctrinated in it to see them separated. I don't 'follow' those concepts anymore but I understand them, I know how they are seen by Catholics at least.
Do you think that "GOD" is a known or and unknown deity? This question directly relates to "fearing Allah
This crucial question got left out.In my surely imperfect idea of God, God is not a deity for me or a strange entity. I just can imagine God as the ultimate cause.
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Peace Elena,
I don't know if your definition of fearing God fits into the quran. The word used for fearing God and fearing other things is the same, but I may be wrong on this...don't know much about arabic.and I think your last line sums up the problem. People see "God" as some being out there in space. Not only thiests but athiests who go around denouncing this God being. There is no supernatural being.
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Peace,
People see "God" as some being out there in space. Not only thiests but athiests who go around denouncing this God being. There is no supernatural being.
God is a figment of our imagination. Man created all sorts of physical gods to sanctify and worship them in various forms, shapes and sizes to role-play their imaginations. Allah is one such god. People fought for their gods and humans as lords and battled for power, prowess and prejudice, which is clearly seen today, even among animal life. Communities were formed and laws drawn and written out to justify their godly beliefs. All affairs stemming out from such beliefs are nothing more than what reality dictated and carried over from one community to another, advancing, excelling, challenging and changing with time as humans became smarter while maintaining the foundation of underlying principles in which it is built. If there was a "real" god, then the need for these physical ones wouldn't arise nor the attributes associated with and stamped upon them by man himself. Man can only perceive and vision an ?imaginary maker? of our reality and the cosmological realm in which we ourselves can only understand and live through, including life and death. In this imagery then, there is "no god but God and to each his own" which became a 'prophetic' gesture. ?Fearing Allah? is historically and concurrently correct and realistically, scientifically and logically incorrect.
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Danish God is a figment of our imagination. Man created all sorts of physical gods to sanctify and worship them in various forms, shapes and sizes to role-play their imaginations. Allah is one such god. People fought for their gods and humans as lords and battled for power, prowess and prejudice, which is clearly seen today, even among animal life. Communities were formed and laws drawn and written out to justify their godly beliefs. All affairs stemming out from such beliefs are nothing more than what reality dictated and carried over from one community to another, advancing, excelling, challenging and changing with time as humans became smarter while maintaining the foundation of underlying principles in which it is built. If there was a "real" god, then the need for these physical ones wouldn't arise nor the attributes associated with and stamped upon them by man himself. Man can only perceive and vision an ?imaginary maker? of our reality and the cosmological realm in which we ourselves can only understand and live through, including life and death. In this imagery then, there is "no god but God and to each his own" which became a 'prophetic' gesture. ?Fearing Allah? is historically and concurrently correct and realistically, scientifically and logically incorrect.
How interesting. Didn't you once claim that some of our positions were getting in the way of the worship of God? Have you suddenly decided there is no god at all?
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Man can only perceive and vision an ?imaginary maker? of our reality and the cosmological realm in which we ourselves can only understand and live through, including life and death.
Actually, many people consider believing in an unseen being as a leap of faith and need to be convinced before believing in such a notion. So your idea of man perceiving an imaginary maker in order to cope with this world is highly flawed.
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How interesting. Didn't you once claim that some of our positions were getting in the way of the worship of God? Have you suddenly decided there is no god at all?
Wouldn't you claim that once you were a 5 year old kid and now "grown" in age? Have you suddenly decided to get old, bold and cold?
This entire thread has been dedicated to and dealt with your bickering of "How is the fear of Allah realistically, logically and scientifically incorrect?", which you tastelessly and unstylishly thumped it on another thread diverting the subject and attention therein to drive your unprecedented and foolish responses home. You have yet to prove and explain yourself otherwise, HERE and THERE
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=c554f7a5fabee1e0c1f8149be2365ec8&topic=6296.300