FEARING "ALLAH"
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Wouldn't you claim that once you were a 5 year old kid and now "grown" in age? Have you suddenly decided to get old, bold and cold?
Yes but people don't grow backwards as you did. You've devolved considerably. That insufferable arrogance must have something to do with it.
This entire thread has been dedicated to and dealt with your bickering of "How is the fear of Allah realistically, logically and scientifically incorrect?", which you tastelessly and unstylishly thumped it on another thread diverting the subject and attention therein to drive your unprecedented and foolish responses home.
And you have proven yourself incapable of answering the question which I must say, was obvious all along.
You have yet to prove and explain yourself otherwise, HERE and THERE
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=c554f7a5fabee1e0c1f8149be2365ec8&topic=6296.300I have answered your question, if you feel dissatisfied, complain to the moderator quoting Rule 2. I'm not a coward like yourself, Danish.
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Peace Danish,
I don't think God (one universal being) is something that was invented by people. Why? because to the majority that makes no sense. People don't see things as one, they see things as seperate. It is ourselves against the world. The reality is that there is no world and there is no self. If the idea was wrong, science would prove it wrong. It hasn't, and the way I see it, science never will.
Just because people believe in myths doesn't change reality. Just because muslims think that God lives in a cubic structure doesn't change the reality. Maybe God is the wrong word, because of all the myths accociated with it.I think gravity is a good way to describe the concept of God (i said concept, not God itself). See, gravity is there. There is this force called gravity that keeps our feet touching the ground. Now people can explain that many different ways. They can make up all the things they like about it, call it whatever they want. All there ill founded ideas won't change the fact that gravity is what it is. Some people will say that gravity exists only in our head, and that our feet just stay on the ground because that's just the way it is.
All that won't make gravity a myth. Because people have experienced it, they do everyday. It is something that the world cannot exist without. Is it just a figment of people's imagination? or is it something people experience when they transcend their imaginations?The fact is not that all the spiritual people in the world are wrong, but it's just that you don't understand us.
Yes, there's no being that lives in a box, or in the sky, or wants us to fear it and worship it. Yes, there are no miracles and supernatural stuff and there's no unknown part outside "creation" that we cannot know.
In fact, what your signature says is also wrong, there is no destiny.
You can attack the a specific idea of God, but you can't attack everything that people associate with that word.
So be careful. Because Einstein used the word God as well. So did Socrates. So did Gandhi. -
One believes in something unseen through inspection of whatever the subject matter is. We don't see gravity but we know it is there through the effects of it and various manipulations of the environment.
But that was my point. It's not a natural response to start believing in something unknown and unseen. One would have to make a leap of faith no matter how much evidence one gathers from the environment. In the end, nobody has seen "gravity" but we believe that the laws of gravity exist thru the advancement of physics, and so can conclude that gravity does exist.
I have come across this ?gravity? excuses several times in the past and recently as well, where Muslims display unrelenting addiction to this scenario they present and now the same pattern is seen here by some members. If humans were to settle on moon, they will monkey-in on their 'un-gravitational' or some other moony phenomenon to bring about some bizarre tales to explain an unseen and unknown GOD.
Gravity is unseen no doubt, but then don?t forget that it is KNOWN and FELT in the very presence we live in, otherwise you wouldn't know what gavity is to begin with. We KNOW that a mass of earthly body pulls and keeps everything intact and hence its inspections, experimentations and determinations. Other examples of similar cases are wind is unseen but known and felt, thoughts are unseen but known and felt, pain is unseen but known and felt, and so forth. All such examples are inspected, experimented and determined upon, where immeasurable inventions and innovations have been advanced and demonstrated for our own existential purpose by MAN HIMSELF (that includes atheists and other ?disbelivers?) by dictation and knowledge of our world around (REALITY).
GOD is purely an UNKNOWN and UNSEEN entity and so is a SOUL. I mention ?entity? because neither you nor I or any human has any idea whatsoever of who or what this ?entity? is. If you have FOUND this entity by mere inspection, then let me know WHO and WHAT it is? Having said this, how then is it possible to inspect, experiment and determine anything that is beyond our imagination and absolutely dumbfounded, yet you make this bizarre claim of inspecting such an entity? What tools of inspection and experiments are you going to delve on, to find exactly what this entity is? The only tool you have is your brains to inspect such an ?entity? and that too won?t work? It is nothing more than a mythical one. In other words, a made-up tale, in as much as, when people THINK that this entity may be this or may be that, or Allah this and Allah that, just running around in all directions like herds chased by a wolf.
you are coming with the assumption that mankind uses an "imaginary maker" as a crutch to understand the world, while the history of mankind proves otherwise.
?Imaginary maker? is an assumption itself, LOL. I have already given the answer to your ?understanding the world? and other rants of your remaining post. Read and understand my previous posts on this thread please.
You should read the quran sometime.
And you must read yourself sometime.
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Gravity is unseen no doubt, but then don?t forget that it is KNOWN and FELT in the very presence we live in, otherwise you wouldn't know what gavity is to begin with. We KNOW that a mass of earthly body pulls and keeps everything intact and hence its inspections, experimentations and determinations.
Actually mankind didn't KNOW of gravity. This is a relatively new concept to mankind. You KNOW of it because you now take it for granted to be fact, just as others took other theories as fact centuries ago. Alchemists and the like used to believe we were swirling around in some sort of unseen substance and we were just heavy so we sunk to the bottom. The fact of the matter is that we KNOW that gravity exists because scientists do not inspect IT but rather they inspect the environment. They come up with laws that govern our environment through calculations and have named them "gravity".
Similarly we are not to inspect an unseen being, but rather our universe, history, our anatomy, etc etc etc...
If you have FOUND this entity by mere inspection, then let me know WHO and WHAT it is? Having said this, how then is it possible to inspect, experiment and determine anything that is beyond our imagination and absolutely dumbfounded, yet you make this bizarre claim of inspecting such an entity? What tools of inspection and experiments are you going to delve on, to find exactly what this entity is? The only tool you have is your brains to inspect such an ?entity? and that too won?t work? It is nothing more than a mythical one. In other words, a made-up tale, in as much as, when people THINK that this entity may be this or may be that, or Allah this and Allah that, just running around in all directions like herds chased by a wolf.
Once again, here's a quote from me to help things along.
One would have to make a leap of faith no matter how much evidence one gathers from the environment.
Once again, I did not claim to KNOW an unknown entity by inspecting IT. Read carefully instead of rushing to erroneous conclusions.
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DanishAbsolutely RUBBISH!!! Not only highly but TOTALLY flawed. You certainly do not know what you are talking about. People are gone nuts and bent over backwards to prove their "Allah", locked up at kaba, right around the center of our earth for ONLY Muslims to pay heed to, from where this "Allah" business all began. I must leave now for an appointment and shall come back and prove to you how desperately wrong you are
S2S , I wouldn't think much of the underlined portion if I were you. This is the same person who doesn't know why 'the fear of Allah is realistically, logically and scientifically incorrect'. He pathetically tries to sound clever using hollow phrases, poor guy.
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Danish I have come across this ?gravity? excuses several times in the past and recently as well, where Muslims display unrelenting addiction to this scenario they present and now the same pattern is seen here by some members. If humans were to settle on moon, they will monkey-in on their 'un-gravitational' or some other moony phenomenon to bring about some bizarre tales to explain an unseen and unknown GOD.
This is the beautiful language that this miscreant paindoo uses when he doesn't agree with something. One would expect him - after reading this 'im too good for these village idiots' rant - to be good at debating, but no such luck. A paper tiger crumbles easily.
Gravity is unseen no doubt, but then don?t forget that it is KNOWN and FELT in the very presence we live in, otherwise you wouldn't know what gavity is to begin with. We KNOW that a mass of earthly body pulls and keeps everything intact and hence its inspections, experimentations and determinations. Other examples of similar cases are wind is unseen but known and felt, thoughts are unseen but known and felt, pain is unseen but known and felt, and so forth. All such examples are inspected, experimented and determined upon, where immeasurable inventions and innovations have been advanced and demonstrated for our own existential purpose by MAN HIMSELF (that includes atheists and other ?disbelivers?) by dictation and knowledge of our world around (REALITY).
This shows that this guy has NEVER really read AQ. He clearly doesn't understand the concept of 'al-kitaab' and how it operates in the universe. Surprising, coming from his 'essence of nature' bunkum which he has refused to discuss (understandably so). AQ proposes an experiment of verification and practise but Danish doesn't know or doesn't care. AQ and Al-Islaaam and Allah Himself is the target of his continous rants.
GOD is purely an UNKNOWN and UNSEEN entity and so is a SOUL.
LOL, this is 'logic', I guess
Something is unknown. Something is unseen. THEREFORE, something is a soul.No wonder he didn't want to discuss why 'the fear of Allah is realistically, logically and scientifically incorrect'. Doesn't feel good to be laughed out of town when one is as egocentric as this guy.
I mention ?entity? because neither you nor I or any human has any idea whatsoever of who or what this ?entity? is.
He's met everyone on earth. Must have quite a large phonebook.
Danish, lastly there's an error on your email address. A mispelling. it's not 'evershine', it's 'everWHINE' at so and so. Please correct it soon.
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DanishThat something must be coming out of your al-furqaan
In al-furqaan, its called 'iblees' and yes, that fits you very well indeed.
"I must have forgotten this politicized battle-field in my last 2 peaceful days". I guess I must confront and get rid of this ugly and wicked face afterall with
no sweat.Confront ? As what ? A 19er , a freethinker or an athiest ? Please get urself decided before confronting and please bring all your 'logic' with you. Not this kind of 'logic' though
GOD is purely an UNKNOWN and UNSEEN entity and so is a SOUL.
which village idiots use. Please go learn under some REAL athiests who at least can make theists think.
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Gravity is unseen no doubt, but then don?t forget that it is KNOWN and FELT in the very presence we live in, otherwise you wouldn't know what gavity is to begin with. We KNOW that a mass of earthly body pulls and keeps everything intact and hence its inspections, experimentations and determinations.
Actually mankind didn't KNOW of gravity. This is a relatively new concept to mankind. You KNOW of it because you now take it for granted to be fact, just as others took other theories as fact centuries ago. Alchemists and the like used to believe we were swirling around in some sort of unseen substance and we were just heavy so we sunk to the bottom. The fact of the matter is that we KNOW that gravity exists because scientists do not inspect IT but rather they inspect the environment. They come up with laws that govern our environment through calculations and have named them "gravity".
Similarly we are not to inspect an unseen being, but rather our universe, history, our anatomy, etc etc etc...
If you have FOUND this entity by mere inspection, then let me know WHO and WHAT it is? Having said this, how then is it possible to inspect, experiment and determine anything that is beyond our imagination and absolutely dumbfounded, yet you make this bizarre claim of inspecting such an entity? What tools of inspection and experiments are you going to delve on, to find exactly what this entity is? The only tool you have is your brains to inspect such an ?entity? and that too won?t work? It is nothing more than a mythical one. In other words, a made-up tale, in as much as, when people THINK that this entity may be this or may be that, or Allah this and Allah that, just running around in all directions like herds chased by a wolf.
Once again, here's a quote from me to help things along.
One would have to make a leap of faith no matter how much evidence one gathers from the environment.
Once again, I did not claim to KNOW an unknown entity by inspecting IT. Read carefully instead of rushing to erroneous conclusions.
Mankind made assumptions of this MYTHOLOGICAL entity long before the concept of "gravity" was introduced. Gravity and its implications, whether relatively new or old, has absolutely no bearing to even suggest an UNKNOWN and UNSEEN GOD. All you can do for now, IF you are a Muslim, is to continue cicumventing and facing towards this "Allah" at kaba which your book professes. Because if you disobey, then you'll be aposticized and condemned as a non-Muslim. Your inspections, experiments and determinations will ONLY work on a physical deity Muhammad created for you to mourn about. Get it.
It is not possible to make a LEAP OF FAITH (whatever that means) when you don't even know WHO or WHAT to have faith in. brickwall elektro You are illustrating yet another BLIND example.
I'm sorry to say, that all you have been doing is ranting and grunting about some "gravity" (just like those stuck-up Muslims I mentioned above) and bringing about such pathetic scenarios to illusrate an UNSEEN and UNKNOWN deity, and that too by inspection without any direction whatsoever. Once again, at least TRY reading and understanding your own posts, let alone mine, from start to finish.
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DanishMankind made assumptions of this MYTHOLOGICAL entity (God) long before the concept of "gravity" was introduced.
Pointless to the discussion. Was mankind free from gravitational effects before Newton? In the same way, mankind was prone to suffering on earth. THAT'S what counts here.
Gravity and its implications, whether relatively new or old, has absolutely no bearing to even suggest an UNKNOWN and UNSEEN GOD.
If you think life is about your 'essence of nature' rubbish, then yes. God is unseen, sure but unknown? To ignorants, perhaps.
All you can do for now, IF you are a Muslim, is to continue cicumventing and facing towards this "Allah" at kaba which your book professes. Because if you disobey, then you'll be aposticized and condemned as a non-Muslim. Your inspections, experiments and determinations will ONLY work on a physical deity Muhammad created for you to mourn about. Get it.
Proving once again Danish's total ignorance about AQ's teachings. AQ doesn't bother at all about the people in the world normatively known as 'muslims'.
It is not possible to make a LEAP OF FAITH (whatever that means) when you don't even know WHO or WHAT to have faith in. You are illustrating yet another BLIND example.
Asserting an unknowable God is YOUR assumption, not S2S's. Getting confused ? With so many identities, I can understand.