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    the_seeker
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    Salamun Alaykum!

    This is for the authors of The Reformist Translation of the Noble Quran. Please find below my comments/questions on the translation.

    3183 Those who said, "God has pledged to us that we should not acknowledge a messenger unless he brings us an offering which the fire will not devour." Say, ?Messengers have come to you before me with proof and with what you have said, so why did you kill them if you were truthful?"*

    There appears to be an error in this translation. I believe it should be ??brings us an offering which the fire will devour?? instead of ??brings us an offering which the fire will not devour?? The mistranslation is in the word not.


    3188 Do not count that those who are happy with what they have been given, and they love to be praised for what they did not do; do not think they are saved from the punishment. For them is a painful retribution.

    Isn?t it normal to be happy with whatever we receive? Thus my doubts on the translation on 3188, specifically the line ?Do not count that those who are happy with what they have been given?? Happy is not the same as proud or arrogant.


    16102 Say, "The Holy Spirit has sent it down from your Lord with truth, so that those who acknowledge will be strengthened, and as a guidance and good news for those who have peacefully surrendered."

    I think the translation, specifically the line from say to truth, should read Say, "The Holy Spirit has brought it down from your Lord with truth,?? The error in translation is in the word sent.


    417 "The ones who do not contribute towards betterment, and with regards to the
    Hereafter, they are those who acknowledge."

    The Arabic word is ?kafiroon? so the last line should be??they are those who do not acknowledge.? The error is in the absence of the words do not. One who does not engage in zakat is one who does not believe in the Hereafter.


    Endnote for 590
    005090 Hamr is derived from the verb that means, "to cover," and is used for all intoxicants and drugs that cover the mind. Translating it as "wine" limits its intended reference. While accepting some benefits of intoxicants, the Quran prohibits its intake (2219). This prohibition is categorical and the Quran does not recommend the slippery and deceptive measure known as "drinking in moderation." The Quran does not legally prohibit alcohol though. It is up to society to regulate its consumption. The societies that lack strict moral or religious norms against alcohol pay a hefty price in terms of loss and problems with economy, social life, relationships, health, and personal happiness. See 2219.

    The word should be khamr not hamr. I believe hamr means ?red?, while khamr means ?intoxicants?.


    Endnote for 954
    009054 This verse is another piece of evidence that sala prayers were known since Abraham and were practiced by Meccan polytheists (835; 2173). This is another answer for those who reject Quran's assertion that it is complete, perfect, and sufficiently detailed, and then ask, "Where can we find the details of sala prayers in the Quran?" (619, 38,114). One can find the details of sala prayer for themselves by just studying the sixty plus verses that mention sala prayer.

    Only ?sixty plus verses?? The count of Brahnda Adley Eleazar ([email protected]) is 97.


    Endnote for 11114
    011114 In the Quranic Arabic, the word layl denotes the period from sunset to sunrise (2187).
    The times of the evening and dawn prayers extend from the proximate edges of night to both ends of the day. The Quran provides detailed information about sala prayer. This verse refers to three sala prayers. Some students of the Quran understand five times rather than three times for contact prayers. However, as the detected and undetected influence of sectarian teachings and practices wanes with time, the disagreement on this issue may lead to a better understanding. See the Appendix Sala Prayer According to the Quran.

    I agree that there are three sala prayers, but this verse only refers to two (fajr and esha).

    May I also ask your timings for this prayer, most especially the middle prayer. I?m quite accepting of the fact that the middle prayer is at the time of the sunni?s asr prayer. What are your thoughts on this?

    Also please clarify why you are using kneel/kneeling instead of bow/bowing. How do you kneel in a salat?


    Endnote for 1778
    017078 The time for evening (esha) prayer starts from the declining of the sun in the horizon and lasts until the darkness of the night. The Quran contains sufficient details about the sala prayer. See 2458; 111124; 3832.

    The last line should be ?See 2458; 11114; 3832.? The error is in verse reference 111124.


    Further, if you have any soft copy of any Quran dictionary, like the Lisan-Ul Arab(?) or the Lane's Lexicon, I would appreciate to receive a copy at [email protected]. If you have soft copies of other translations, I'd appreciate copies as well.

    Thanks and best regards jedi,

    Ramon

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      Wakas
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      peace Ramon,

      Many dictionaries are available online, see http//www.studyquran.org

      Specifically http//www.studyquran.org/ArabicDictionaries.htm

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        the_seeker
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        peace bro

        I'm downloading as of this mail.

        Thanks jedi,
        Ramon

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