Pharaoh's dead body!Woe!
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The notion of making partners to GOD (a cosmological one) is a ridiculous and outrageous claim. Can anyone prove that any single person on earth became a partner to GOD?
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what a stupid question that was Danish, thanks for the laugh bro LOL
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Salam AB,
Does it mean you do know how God works?
Salam sister
of course I kow how Allah works as far as Allah told us in the Quran
Cheers
Peace AB,
You seem so sure of yourself. Or should I see 'full' of yourself?
"The God does not forgive that partners be established with Him, but He forgives other than that to whom He wishes." (4/4
peace
Heart
Salam
of course I'm so sure, now what do you mean by the above exactly sister?
of course Firon made partners to Allah, he made himself a partner, haha, a child will recognise that
Thanks for proving my point
now you can see how confident I'm and how ignorant you are
Peace AB,
Firaun made partners (himself) to Allah but didn't he change his mind? How many stories can we find of idolworshippers who then rejected idolworshipping and returned back to Allah? The only difference is that Firaun died right after he changed his mind. We don't know if that's to late. We know God from the Quran but we don't know Him completely. To say that you're sure about it doesn't mean it is in fact the truth. It's just an assumption.
peace
Heart
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what a stupid question that was Danish, thanks for the laugh bro LOL
Yeah, in your mythical wonderous land, I'm sure its a stupid one. But in real world, there's no such thing. You can laugh all you want.
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Firaun made partners (himself) to Allah but didn't he change his mind?
sister, are you sleeping or what?, yep he changed his mind at the bloody moment of death, sorry I should say the sweet moment of death as you said earlier?
how sweet death can be?, would you mind to insight me?
How many stories can we find of idolworshippers who then rejected idolworshipping and returned back to Allah?
do you mean at the moment of death?
well i ony know one who was Firon, do you know any others?
The only difference is that Firaun died right after he changed his mind.
sorry?, do you read the quran or you need me to do your home work?, I will be happy to do it for you, don't get me wrong
We don't know if that's to late.
sorry again?, what was too late exactly?
well Allah told us that Firon belief was too late to be accepted, do you read the Quran sister?
We know God from the Quran but we don't know Him completely.
sorry for the zillion time?, that was not your question
To say that you're sure about it doesn't mean it is in fact the truth. It's just an assumption.
peace
Heart
sorry for the zillion and one time?
It can't be an assumption while I'm so sure and that applies to me only, so why you want to apply it to you?, did I ask you to apply it to you?, well I only exposed your ignorance and will continue to do as such and you know why, now tonight or tomorrow I will do your home work and show you that Allah told us in the Quran that Firon belief was too late
Salam
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what a stupid question that was Danish, thanks for the laugh bro LOL
Yeah, in your mythical wonderous land, I'm sure its a stupid one. But in real world, there's no such thing. You can laugh all you want.
excuse me mister Kafir
do you think I will expect a kafir to say anything but your BS above?
Enjoy your barbie world bro
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Hey heart
who are you exactly to say Allah may forgive Firon?
this is the most silliest comment I ever read on the internet, you desreve a grammy for that
Ridiculing people seems to be one of your negative traits. Work on it.
peace
Heart
Well I didnlt redicule you, in fact you did first by saying that I'm full of myslef which is sort of unwaarranted by you and hence you deserved what I told you and you will earn every unproper comment I say to you,
when I told you that your Firon comment is ignorant first, that was not mocking you, that was the bloody damn truth sister, face it and don't cry too much because I'm too weak when women cry in front of me
salam
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what a stupid question that was Danish, thanks for the laugh bro LOL
Yeah, in your mythical wonderous land, I'm sure its a stupid one. But in real world, there's no such thing. You can laugh all you want.
excuse me mister Kafir
do you think I will expect a kafir to say anything but your BS above?
Enjoy your barbie world bro
Then provide your evidence of a single human being on earth who became a partner to GOD?
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Then provide your evidence of a single human being on earth who became a partner to GOD?
what the hell you are talking about man, are you drinking merlot with a ham sandwitch or what?
who bloody said anything about a single human on earth?
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who bloody said anything about a single human on earth?
Ok, lets start from scratch. What does it mean by "partner to GOD"? Do you even know what you are talking about?
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who bloody said anything about a single human on earth?
Ok, lets start from scratch. What does it mean by "partner to GOD"? Do you even know what you are talking about?
Well the following will make anyone a mushrik
Obeying Satan instead of obeying the One and Only God and that is exactly what Firon did
Cheers
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Salaams Br's,All,
I often wondered why Allah didnt forgive Pharaoh even though he did say I believe
Naja = to be saved/ delivered/ go free.
Badana = Body without spirit/ Family lineage.1090 .now (you believe) while you refused to believe before and where one of the evil-doers.
1091 so this day we shall save you with your family that you may be to those who come after you a sign and verily many among mankind of our signs (are) heedless.Allah is most forgiving I think if one truly changes in the heart Allah forgives everything, dont you think that?
Salaams All.
This man believed he was God, nothing in the world would change his oppinion. What i dont read is that God preserved his dead body as a mummy. I read that he was in fact saved, not only him, his whole pesky family aswell. Think about this folks, the kindness of our Lord going on right here in front of us. Pharao stated that he would believe, and that was enough. However, given a 2nd chance, he has obviously NOT improved a bit.
So do we still have him? Oh yes we does, and we properbly have his lineage somewhere behind this whole damn mess, but that i cannot prove. What i want you to look at however is this.
http//www.ibiblio.org/expo/vatican.exhibit/exhibit/a-vatican_lib/images/vlib34.jpg
Does that rendering remind you of something?
One of Sixtus's most ambitious projects was to move the enormous Vatican obelisk to its present position in front of Saint Peter's. Though Michelangelo refused this task ("What if it breaks?" he asked), Domenico Fontana carried it out. The formal procession that accompanied the erection, exorcism, and rededication of the Vatican obelisk in 1587 is commemorated here.
Stamp. Barb. O VIII 40, plate B vlib34 INT.58
The exscorsicm because this is the new sun relegion, so the old one is evil and pagan and its infested with all kinds of vile and evil. So we need to re erect the pen..obelisk to its new position in all its creative might. You think im joking. Look at where the shadow in the image points. Towards the dome! The female dome and the penile obelisk, so very clever. In fact if you hear someone call the catholic god a dickhead, look at this image, and they are actually not at all that far of. So what does it mean?
Well the old sun cult was that of egypt, and babylon, this is the egyptian lineage of this sillyness. We are now dealing with Horus, catholics call him jesus but its the same thing. The same stupid idea. Now that the sungod has died for all our sins, someone has to run the show. Pharao, pope, lets look at a comparison i have done before.
Let's try to examine this in a different way. Who was pharao?
He was a king of the world
he hold the position of god`s representative on earth
he was worshipped as a god
his had an organisation on belief and money grubbing (the BODY of law)
he was excessively violent to his opponents
He worshipped the sunSo sure, we could be talking about his corpse, but it could altso be a refference to his "body". The body of law and being. So does anybody fit the desciption?
a case study on the pope and the vatican;
http//www.illinoisfamily.org/content/img/f24872/Pope%20Benedict%20XVI.jpg
The current Done was the king of the world
yes
no"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.
he hold the position of god`s representative on earth
yes
no"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".
he was worshipped as a god
yes
no
http//www.cnn.com/WORLD/9712/25/vatican.pope/link.central.balcony.jpg
The good sheppard and his sheep, Horus was called the good sheppard too...so was pharao, remember "as you walk through the valley of death i have no fear for thou art near me, with thine rod and thine staff...Who used the rod and staff as a symbol of worldly and spiritual power? Pharao.is had an organisation on belief and money grubbing (the BODY of law)
yes
nobank of ambrosia
their own state with agencies all over the world
Makers of the lawan organisation like this is called "a body"
he was excessively violent to his opponents
im going to spare you the images and ask you to find a history book. And for modern day aggression, look into the jesuit movement. My advice would be to read "vatican assasins; wounded in the house of my freinds" by the calvinist Eric Jon Phelps.
He worshipped the sun
http//www.aloha.net/~mikesch/jp2-mon.jpgcould it be that his lineage are an actual lineage of blood. Could be im not closed to the idea, but a vessel similar to his is still in operation, that much i can conclusively prove! And this is but scrapes of the material i have on this subject. Im merely giving you my own conclution for what its worth.
and just for laugh
http//www.absolutemotions.com/Newsletter/Hurgadha/Luxor/Obelisk.jpg
an obelisk for a female pharao hehehttp//www.cuttingedge.org/John_Paul_II_Obelisk_SatanicCross.jpg
The pope and his skewed cross greeting not his flock, but his God. The sun god. The allmighty penishead.
pharao lives, and hes feeling mighty fine in his golden cage folks.
peace
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Hello All
Again the enemy of Allah and some confused believers continue promoting their conjectures which only proves their ignorance with our God final message, what the blinds and dumb didn?t see nor comprehend that 1090 clearly told us that Firon DIED and at the moment of his death he declared his belief hence it can?t be accepted because he believed at the moment of death, let?s see how 1090 told us that Firon DIED
90- And We made the children of Israel to pass through the sea, then Firon and his hosts followed them for oppression and tyranny; until when drowning overtook him, he said I believe that there is no god but He in Whom the children of Israel believe and I am of those who submit.
91- Now! and indeed you disobeyed before and you were of the mischief-makers.
92- This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!
(90)
(91)
(92)-> we read that Firon followed Bani Israel ? And We made the children of Israel to pass through the sea, then Firon and his hosts followed them for oppression and tyranny?, then the Quran quickly moved to the moment of his death, here is the Arabic words ? ?, ?Hatta Iza Adrakahu Al Gharaq?. i.e. ? until when drowning overtook him?, the Arabic word ?Adrakahu? is very vital here because it is a common word that means ?CAUGHT WITH NO ESCAPE?, i.e Firon realized that there is no escape but to drown. The word ?Da Ra Ka? was used in the Quran with DEATH indeed as I will show you a couple of examples later, then at this moment when Firon was caught with no escape but to drown he declared his belief, the words ? ? requires a second event after the first event and the second event was stated clearly afterward ? he said I believe that there is no god but He in Whom the children of Israel believe and I am of those who submit? and that was the last hing he said then he drowned , however as we have seen that he did it after ?ADRAKAHU the drowning?, i.e. was caught drowning with no escape, therefore it can?t be accepted and that is exactly what Allah said in 1091, in fact Allah clearly talked about that moment of his death? Now! and indeed you disobeyed before and you were of the mischief-makers.?, can you see the word (NOW)?, that is the moment of Firon death, then after he drowned, Allah made the sea to expel his dead body ? This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee!?
Let?s now have a look at a couple of examples where the word ?Daraka?, ?Caught with no escape? is used with death
Wherever you are, death will overtake you, though you are in lofty towers, and if a benefit comes to them, they say This is from Allah; and if a misfortune befalls them, they say This is from you. Say All is from Allah, but what is the matter with these people that they do not make approach to understanding what is told (them)?
(7
-> See, ? ?, ? Wherever you are, death will overtake you?
Another one
And whoever flies in Allah's way, he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Messenger, then death overtakes him, his reward is indeed with Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
(100)
-> See, ? ?, ? then death overtakes him?
And that is exactly what happened to Firon he was caught with no escape and drowned and as we know a drowned man is a dead man
Now those ignorant Muslims who suggest that Allah may forgive Firon or sort of Firon has submitted to him at the moment of death and he will be entitled for forgiveness, LOL, then why Allah is telling us the Firon will lead his people to Hell
96 And we sent Moses, with Our Clear (Signs) and an authority manifest,
97 Unto Pharaoh and his chiefs but they followed the command of Pharaoh and the command of Pharaoh was no right (guide).
98 He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead them into the Fire (as cattle are led to water) But woeful indeed will be the place to which they are led!
(96)
(97)
(9-> See ? He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead them into the Fire But woeful indeed will be the place to which they are led!?, this was one of the scenes in Jahannam movie indeed.
Salam
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Salaams Br's,All,
I often wondered why Allah didn?t forgive Pharaoh even though he did say ?I believe?
Naja = to be saved/ delivered/ go free.
Badana = Body without spirit/ Family lineage.1090 ????.now (you believe) while you refused to believe before and where one of the evil-doers.
1091 so this day we shall save you with your family that you may be to those who come after you a sign and verily many among mankind of our signs (are) heedless.Allah is most forgiving ? I think ? if one truly changes in the heart Allah forgives everything, don?t you think that?
Salaams All.
This man believed he was God, nothing in the world would change his oppinion. What i dont read is that God preserved his dead body as a mummy. I read that he was in fact saved, not only him, his whole pesky family aswell. Think about this folks, the kindness of our Lord going on right here in front of us. Pharao stated that he would believe, and that was enough. However, given a 2nd chance, he has obviously NOT improved a bit.
So do we still have him? Oh yes we does, and we properbly have his lineage somewhere behind this whole damn mess, but that i cannot prove. What i want you to look at however is this.
http//www.ibiblio.org/expo/vatican.exhibit/exhibit/a-vatican_lib/images/vlib34.jpg
Does that rendering remind you of something?
One of Sixtus's most ambitious projects was to move the enormous Vatican obelisk to its present position in front of Saint Peter's. Though Michelangelo refused this task ("What if it breaks?" he asked), Domenico Fontana carried it out. The formal procession that accompanied the erection, exorcism, and rededication of the Vatican obelisk in 1587 is commemorated here.
Stamp. Barb. O VIII 40, plate B vlib34 INT.58
The exscorsicm because this is the new sun relegion, so the old one is evil and pagan and its infested with all kinds of vile and evil. So we need to re erect the pen..obelisk to its new position in all its creative might. You think im joking. Look at where the shadow in the image points. Towards the dome! The female dome and the penile obelisk, so very clever. In fact if you hear someone call the catholic god a dickhead, look at this image, and they are actually not at all that far of. So what does it mean?
Well the old sun cult was that of egypt, and babylon, this is the egyptian lineage of this sillyness. We are now dealing with Horus, catholics call him jesus but its the same thing. The same stupid idea. Now that the sungod has died for all our sins, someone has to run the show. Pharao, pope, lets look at a comparison i have done before.
Let's try to examine this in a different way. Who was pharao?
He was a king of the world
he hold the position of god`s representative on earth
he was worshipped as a god
his had an organisation on belief and money grubbing (the BODY of law)
he was excessively violent to his opponents
He worshipped the sunSo sure, we could be talking about his corpse, but it could altso be a refference to his "body". The body of law and being. So does anybody fit the desciption?
a case study on the pope and the vatican;
http//www.illinoisfamily.org/content/img/f24872/Pope%20Benedict%20XVI.jpg
The current Done was the king of the world
yes
no"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.
he hold the position of god`s representative on earth
yes
no"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".
he was worshipped as a god
yes
no
http//www.cnn.com/WORLD/9712/25/vatican.pope/link.central.balcony.jpg
The good sheppard and his sheep, Horus was called the good sheppard too...so was pharao, remember "as you walk through the valley of death i have no fear for thou art near me, with thine rod and thine staff...Who used the rod and staff as a symbol of worldly and spiritual power? Pharao.is had an organisation on belief and money grubbing (the BODY of law)
yes
nobank of ambrosia
their own state with agencies all over the world
Makers of the lawan organisation like this is called "a body"
he was excessively violent to his opponents
im going to spare you the images and ask you to find a history book. And for modern day aggression, look into the jesuit movement. My advice would be to read "vatican assasins; wounded in the house of my freinds" by the calvinist Eric Jon Phelps.
He worshipped the sun
http//www.aloha.net/~mikesch/jp2-mon.jpgcould it be that his lineage are an actual lineage of blood. Could be im not closed to the idea, but a vessel similar to his is still in operation, that much i can conclusively prove! And this is but scrapes of the material i have on this subject. Im merely giving you my own conclution for what its worth.
and just for laugh
http//www.absolutemotions.com/Newsletter/Hurgadha/Luxor/Obelisk.jpg
an obelisk for a female pharao hehehttp//www.cuttingedge.org/John_Paul_II_Obelisk_SatanicCross.jpg
The pope and his skewed cross greeting not his flock, but his God. The sun god. The allmighty penishead.
pharao lives, and hes feeling mighty fine in his golden cage folks.
peace
Thanks Magi,
You are probably right -it sounds just the thing.
Salaams.
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Ahmed, please clarify the following point?
What does it mean by "partner to GOD"? How does a human become a partner to GOD? Please explain?
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Peace,
Ahmed, don?t worry I?m not offended by your opinion. I admit that I sometimes can be ignorant of the Quran since I?m not finished examining it yet. So I?m not offended by your opinion. And yes, I think you?re full of yourself and also extremly rude. You really need to work on your way of communicating with people. And as a direct and honest person I will tell you that you bring a very negative vibe to this forum ( I don?t know how others think about this, but that?s just my opinion). And no, I?m not only talking about your postings on this topic directed to me but about all your other postings in general. You?re really rude and need to work on your skills of how to communicate with people. Saying ?peace? and then in an unfriendly manner continue your reply is not a polite and respectful way of communication. This is not the purpose of saying ?peace? at the beginning. You begin with ?peace? as this is your goal in your whole post and conduct. You?ve got a very aggressive and sarcastic approach that you tend to disguise. Please be conscious of the way you?re communicating and work on improving it. The way you will respond to this will show your maturity.
To stay ontopic, I may have reacted on this subject without fully understanding what ?shirk? is really about. So I did some research and found out that my theory about ?shirk? wasn?t really correct. My understanding of shirk was that God took offence of people making partners with Him. I was wrong. God never claimed to have any emotions and ofcourse He prohibited idolworshipping for our own good, like all the other rules He made for our own good. Believing in another system besides Gods perfect system means living a lie. People who ignore Gods system are far from the Truth. That?s why idolworshipping is a harmful deed. It?s like living in an illusion.
It says "God forgiveth not 'SHIRK', but forgiveth anything else according to His
Will" - (448-116).The above verse is because I thought God could forgive the Pharaoh because he believed in the existence of Him right after he died. But I realise that God says it didn?t matter now, because he had lived a lie his whole life. He found out about the truth right when he died. Living according to the Truth, and by thus believing in Allah as one and only Rabb, determines your choices in life. All of your choices in life are formed through your knowledge and beliefs. If the beliefs are wrong, you will make also the wrong decisions, and so will not fully develop and prepare your Self/nafs for the Next Life. So believing in the Truth in the last minute of your life has no purpose, as you can?t make any decisions anymore to form his Self/nafs in the right way. It is discovering the spoon while you already ate the soup. To late to change his life and therefore his Self/nafs to be prepared for Paradise in the Afterlife.
peace
Heart
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Peace,
magi, good analysis. I believe the verse refers both to his body and what you are implying. I don't restrict it here to one option.
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Peace,
Hi
Ahmed, don?t worry I?m not offended by your opinion. I admit that I sometimes can be ignorant of the Quran since I?m not finished examining it yet.
Cool, it was an honest opinion from my side anyway, I don?t know you to defame you
So I?m not offended by your opinion.
Great
And yes, I think you?re full of yourself and also extremly rude.
Well, If I conclude that a person is bloody rude I won?t direct comments to him/her, can you do the same?
For me full of myself comment, fine I take it from you that I?m as such, but only from your perspective, from mine though it is called confidence/experience
You really need to work on your way of communicating with people.
No I don?t, because the ones who appreciate my style are far more than the losers who don?t, so why I should care for them and change my life style?
Indeed I don?t want to talk to them, they are the ones who want to talk to me, LOL
And as a direct and honest person I will tell you that you bring a very negative vibe to this forum
Why you are still here then?
I guess you need to leave then
( I don?t know how others think about this, but that?s just my opinion).
and will always stay as your opinion and sure has no value whatsoever to me, but thanks for your honesty anyway
And no, I?m not only talking about your postings on this topic directed to me but about all your other postings in general.
Damn, why you read the comments of an extremely rude man?
I guess you have yourself only to blame
You?re really rude and need to work on your skills of how to communicate with people.
Damn, didn?t you say this before?
Ok that must be take 2
Saying ?peace? and then in an unfriendly manner continue your reply is not a polite and respectful way of communication. This is not the purpose of saying ?peace? at the beginning.
Well miss ignorant, Peace for me means greeting, i.e Salam, it has nothing to do with me offering peace to anyone.
You begin with ?peace? as this is your goal in your whole post and conduct.
Would that be take 2 again?
Why you need to say things more than once?
You?ve got a very aggressive and sarcastic approach that you tend to disguise.
No no, you got this wrong, I don?t disguise anything neither I?m charming
Please be conscious of the way you?re communicating and work on improving it. The way you will respond to this will show your maturity.
Ignored
Now I ask you that you ignore me and I will ignore you, if you post an ignorant comment about the Quran, trust me you will see me behind your back exposing your ignorance but I won?t direct my comments to you any more I will only direct it to the public, you have been dismissed sister
To stay ontopic, I may have reacted on this subject without fully understanding what ?shirk? is really about. So I did some research and found out that my theory about ?shirk? wasn?t really correct. My understanding of shirk was that God took offence of people making partners with Him. I was wrong. God never claimed to have any emotions and ofcourse He prohibited idolworshipping for our own good, like all the other rules He made for our own good. Believing in another system besides Gods perfect system means living a lie. People who ignore Gods system are far from the Truth. That?s why idolworshipping is a harmful deed. It?s like living in an illusion.
It says "God forgiveth not 'SHIRK', but forgiveth anything else according to His
Will" - (448-116).The above verse is because I thought God could forgive the Pharaoh because he believed in the existence of Him right after he died. But I realise that God says it didn?t matter now, because he had lived a lie his whole life. He found out about the truth right when he died. Living according to the Truth, and by thus believing in Allah as one and only Rabb, determines your choices in life. All of your choices in life are formed through your knowledge and beliefs. If the beliefs are wrong, you will make also the wrong decisions, and so will not fully develop and prepare your Self/nafs for the Next Life. So believing in the Truth in the last minute of your life has no purpose, as you can?t make any decisions anymore to form his Self/nafs in the right way. It is discovering the spoon while you already ate the soup. To late to change his life and therefore his Self/nafs to be prepared for Paradise in the Afterlife.
peace
Heart
because you have been dismissed I have to ignore the above paragraph, this is my rules
have a nice day and all the best
Salam
PS I mean greeting ?like bye?, therefore I'm not offering you any peace
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Ahmed, please clarify the following point?
What does it mean by "partner to GOD"? How does a human become a partner to GOD? Please explain?
Danish
Firtsly, why you consider humans only to be made partners of God?
Anything can be made partner of God directly or indirectly
- Directly, is by making another thing as a god, like
a) a planet
b) a star
c) a jinn
d) a human
e) the low self desires
f) a statue
g) an angel
etc?.- Indirectly, only applies to humans and is simply by obeying Satan and not obeying Allah
point 2 was stated clearly in the Quran
therefore all the humans on earth who listen to Satan calls are Mishrikoon, including you, the jews, the christians and many of the Muslims
Salam