GROUNDBREAKING QURANIC FINDING!!!
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Cheers bro
let's discuss something else man, I will still post the imgages form the book, I just need to scan it first
I will also post who are the authors and their background
cheers
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Salaam all
Bro Anwar
you will see in there that there are 6 letters Masddars as well
Salam
Of course there are, and even 7 letters ones!
You were mixing between verb pattern and root, now you are mixing between maSdar (verbal noun) and root. These are 3 distinctive things.Progod
I asked you, not for more examples, but to please apply your examples to the verse, i.e. write the verse as you understand it (by substitution) and then expalin it, so that I unserstand fully what you mean and my response can be based on that, with my thanks.
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Salaam all
Bro Anwar
you will see in there that there are 6 letters Masddars as well
Salam
Of course there are, and even 7 letters ones!
You were mixing between verb pattern and root, now you are mixing between maSdar (verbal noun) and root. These are 3 distinctive things.Salam Samia
please Samia, your english definition have no meaning to me, I only taught the Masaddar, all the other tings you named in english never heard of it unless you provide the equivelent name in arabic
also there was never 7 letters massdar in that book
Salam
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Salam Samia
please Samia, your english definition have no meaning to me, I only taught the Masaddar, all the other tings you named in english never heard of it unless you provide the equivelent name in arabic
also there was never 7 letters massdar in that book
Salam
Salaam Ahmed
I think we already know root (jidhr) and pattern (wazn) as mentioned in one of Progod's posts. Now I put the English equivalent of maSdar (verbal noun) between brackets, not for you, but for those who are not native speakers and are learning Arabic in English. You may ignore the English translation of the technical terms.
The second part of your question What about istiqlaal (independence) and all maSdars of this wazn (pattern)? If your book says there are no 7 letters maSdars, I would not trust it if I were you.
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Salam Samia
please Samia, your english definition have no meaning to me, I only taught the Masaddar, all the other tings you named in english never heard of it unless you provide the equivelent name in arabic
also there was never 7 letters massdar in that book
Salam
Salaam Ahmed
Salam Samia
I think we already know root (jidhr) and pattern (wazn) as mentioned in one of Progod's posts.
Excuse me sister, the Gazr and Wazn has nothing to do with the origin of the word, the Gazr is never taught at schiils and have no meaning in Native Arabic speakers countries, we only taught the Wazn and the Masddar
now do you lnow what Masddar means in Arabic?
it mean "the origin" i.e. the origin of the owrd, for example
Igtimaa has a Masddar of of 5 letters that is Igtmaa
and the Masddar "The origin or the word" is the one that is used to figure the meaning and that is what we are taught at Arabic schools
for me this Gazr thingy is a flawed invention that only cause confusion and makes all the words the same bloody meaning if they have the same 2 letters Gaze for example someone like simple thinks the following
ghanam which is sort of the Lamb means Aghnaam which are the things collected in a war after victory
why he thought thatand totally manipuklated the Quran?, because he used the flawed and un merited Gazr "root" thingy and sure he has to get confused because the two words have the same three letters Gazr "Gh N M"
I have zillions of examples
so your insistance and many like you to use this Gazr method to figure the words meanings only show your ignorance with the arabic language
The second part of your question What about istiqlaal (independence) and all maSdars of this wazn (pattern)? If your book says there are no 7 letters maSdars, I would not trust it if I were you.
Istiqlaal has a 5 letters Masddar with a shadda on the Lam, virtually 6 letters Masddar and it is "Istqll"
Salam
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Sister samia
I checked the book and sorry to tell you that the Masddars are only 3 to 6 letters, wait till I scan that page and post it in here then you can respond to it and show us where the two senior Arabic language professors got it wrong
I'm sorry I don't have a scanner handy as typing it will defeat the authenticity purpose that I'm not faking it, as well I don't have time to type it really
one page will explain every thing to you regarding the Masddars and how they work
the professors put in a tree like shape and you follow it through the branches
now I know where the confusion is coming from
i thought those root advocates mean that it is the Masddar all alonge up to this moment
I was only talking about the Masddars thinking that this is what you mean by the roots, because the Masddar is the origin of the word in Arabic NOT the root
Salam
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Ahmed I understand your misunderstanding of the word masdar, but let me explain it to you.
Masdar can means 'origin' but that is not what it means in Arabic grammar. it means the verbal noun. It is what istiqlaalun(as sister Samia said) is to istaqalla.
Now the Jadh-r, or as you call it the Gazr, is not a thingy. And it might not have been taught in your school but that does not mean that it is not valid, just because you don't know about it.
Gazr or Jadh-r has everything to do with the meanig of the word and you honestly should review some Classical Arabic grammar books before you continue with this discussion.
Secondly the wazn is what you are talking about more. the change from zahar to azhara, to zaa-hara, to tazahh-ara to izdahara is a matter of wazn, not masdar. I just want you to know that you are really taking away from your credibility the more that you argue things that are known and understood and then call what you don't know irrevelant thingies. I mean your not presenting a different way that you were taught you are just invalidating what you don't know. Truthfully, Ahmed, that is not acceptable.
Godbless,
AnwarSamia
Here's the verse in transliteration. I'm going to use English punctuation (like what's used now sometimes in Arabic to help you understand the structure of the sentence. My words are in italics.
Shahru ramadana allathee onzila feehi alquranu
Shahrun, ramadaanan, alladhee unzila feehi al-quraanu
hudan lilnnasi wabayyinatin mina alhuda waalfurqani
irshaadan lil-bashari bimubayyinaatin min hudaallaahi wa bi-fawaariqa
faman shahida minkumu alshshahra falyasumhu
faman yashida minkum shah-ran kal-&alawaa' fa-yanbaghee an yasooma feehi
waman kana mareedan aw AAala safarin faAAiddatun min ayyamin okhara
wa man yakun mareedan aw huwa musaafirun fa nafsil-iddati min al-ayyaam lam yasoom feehaa fee maa ba&d
yureedu Allahu bikumu alyusra wala yureedu bikumu alAAusra
yureedu Allaaha al-suhoolati bi-amoorikum wa laa assu&oobatu bihaa
walitukmiloo alAAiddata
fa, ikmaloo al-&idaata al-madhkoorata
walitukabbiroo Allaha AAala ma hadakum walaAAallakum tashkuroona
Wa kabbiroo allaaha hasba mahmaa yurshidukum bihi wa la&allakum tashkuroona
I hope that helped, finally.
Godbless,
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Shahru ramadana allathee onzila feehi alquranu
Shahrun, ramadaanan, alladhee unzila feehi al-quraanu
I think we are having a problem here. I understand that (correct me if I am wrong) shahrun ramadaanan here is in the indefinite. Why, then, is it followed by the pronoun (alladhee)? You know this is not acceptable in Arabic grammar nor is it used in the qur'aan.
As I previously mentioned, I am not discussing the meaning, but I want to reach a grammatically sound sentence so that it fits the meaning.
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God bless,
I know that this is rear in Modern Standard but it is not that rare in Old Classical Arabic. I will give you some examples. Just first understand that shah-run ramadaanan is not saying any month it is specifically a month that has to do with heat. It is if I were to say in English 'a month, having to do with heat, is the one in which the Quran was revealed. . .'
I'll give you some more examples, but you should look for them also to confirm what I am saying.
Godbless,
Anwar