You Have Been Warned
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Peace Zein,
You stated
Ah, the arrogance, the feeling of might and importance, imagining or believing even that we are at the same level of our Creator. So much so that we know what He does and even why.
Doesn't 3918 recommend listening to all views and following what is best? Or should we not think about what's been revealed to us?
I think these fundamental questions are crucial to our individual understandings, as, the big picture is what's being addressed. And so often, rather than look at our own view of the big picture with the possibility of refinement, we resort to "because God said so", which is no better, in my opinion, than any religion or sect on the planet.
That being said, if I came off as arrogant or exhibiting "the feeling of might and importance", then I apologize. It is the conviction I have in my current position which has revealed itself in my words. But, I thank you for the reminder of the importance of humility, and as always, I reserve the right to remain open to new and better understandings.
Peace,
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Peace Tay,
Doesn't 3918 recommend listening to all views and following what is best? Or should we not think about what's been revealed to us?
I think these fundamental questions are crucial to our individual understandings, as, the big picture is what's being addressed. And so often, rather than look at our own view of the big picture with the possibility of refinement, we resort to "because God said so", which is no better, in my opinion, than any religion or sect on the planet.
I agree with you on the verse and what you said above, but at the same time, I don't think my statement is in contradiction with these. Just to clarify, I was saying this of all the statements in this thread claiming this is the 'why' God said this and God does that, or that God "needs" helpers. The truth is none of us know and none of us will ever know the why. We do know, however, that God does not "need", not from us, not from angels. But we tend to bring God down to our level, so to speak, to fathom Him. Reminds me of the biblical verse, where God was walking around in heaven looking for Adam.That being said, if I came off as arrogant or exhibiting "the feeling of might and importance", then I apologize.
No you didn't, so take that apology back! >Dpeace
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Bro Ahmed, salam alaikum
Was off for a few days
Not on holidays yet (
Please stop wasting your time with Danish, you made your "balagh", and that is far more than enough...
There are more people in need of guidance and advice and who listen and they have priority...
Thank you for your insights, and comments...
Peace
Noble
PS Re. Subject of fear of Allah, I remember nice hadith (probably israeliates) about a rich man who asked that when he died, he should be cremated and his ashes scattered across the sea so that Allah will not catch him because he was so scared of meeting Him out of fear. On that account, Allah entered him Paradise because his fear was really genuine. Maybe just a story, but it kind of illustrates the points you make... -
Pecae Noble
You have been missed bro
Yeh man i know that hadith very well, sort of conflict feelings regading it
Take care bro
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Peace Danish, all,
I think your question(1) is fundamentally important.
- Creating angels as body guards or helpers, undermines Allah's attributable strengths, does it not?
I agree. The creation of beings as assistants certainly does undermine the creator's strengths - similar to an engineer designing 50 robots to do the jobs of 50 people. The engineer himself can do each job, but can not do 50 at once with the same efficiency.
This is just one of many problems I've personally encountered with the "God is out there" understanding.
But, this can be reconciled with the understanding that all of life exists as one energy. Then the malaikat are not seperate beings but intricate parts of the consciousness of the individual and the collective. In short, your thoughts and actions are not recorded by invisible beings writing invisible text in an invisible book, but your thoughts and actions make permanent imprints on the field of energy - and thus, everything is recorded.
And in this recording, it is not necessarily a bulleted list of good vs. bad deeds and thoughts, but the slow and steady process of shaping the soul into whatever it is to become. The recording is "seen" by what we have manifested within ourselves.
Peace,
TayPeace,
One important note, malikah doesn't mean the mythical angels. Malikah means someone/thing in control/authority/power/guardianship/responsibility. And it's meaning is determined by it's context. It can mean power of nature, or for example 'strong warriors' as in the verse with '3000 malikah' which refers to ones in authority of the battle, thus strong warriors and so every meaning of the word can be rendered in every verse it is used. This will clear up some contradictions the traditional mythical approach will give.
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Welcome back!
Please stop wasting your time with Danish, you made your "balagh", and that is far more than enough...
Excellent point. Keep up the good advice. Yes, Ahmed has made his points very clear.
There are more people in need of guidance and advice and who listen and they have priority...
Then there are people who give real guidance and advice to the people who need it but often gets ignored or shunned.
Subject of fear of Allah, I remember nice hadith (probably israeliates) about a rich man who asked that when he died, he should be cremated and his ashes scattered across the sea so that Allah will not catch him because he was so scared of meeting Him out of fear. On that account, Allah entered him Paradise because his fear was really genuine. Maybe just a story, but it kind of illustrates the points you make...
The reality TODAY is, that Allah has made burial (as per Quran) very difficult to manage financially to become a burden unto the poor and easy for the rich to enter Paradise first and then get burnt in Hell. On the contrary, cremation is much feasible for everyone to get burnt in Hell first and then enter Paradise. I've already willed for the later.
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It can mean power of nature, or for example 'strong warriors' as in the verse with '3000 malikah' which refers to ones in authority of the battle, thus strong warriors and so every meaning of the word can be rendered in every verse it is used.
Excellent point, I'll buy into the bold underlined above for my reasons.
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Very good Ahmed Bahgat,
Weldone!
Thanks for sharing it with us. )
Thanks bro
some in the midlle east saw the music inappropriate though, I don't see it as such, here is anther movie that I reckon is a good one, hope you enjoy
They had the same end
Cheers
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Al Quran is to be used for managing men's life not men's after life, the jahannam and the jannah are the logic consequences for community of men who taking shirothol maghdlub or shirothol mustaqeem when they making their life....