Edip Yuksel True Colors
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Peace,
This person has a real lack of psychological selfreflection. Edip's answer was real intelligent and correct. And the person portrayed his own view on what Edip really meant. This 'seeing the enemy everywhere' is throughout his whole post. Cartoons do use excageration, which is the power of cartoons. The person who wrote this post believes most people are racist, so his subconciousness will read racism everywhere eventhough it is not there. This projection of the person's inner belief is common. I have seen this with a lot of people. They expect racism, even so much, they almost like demand a person to be racist as they cannot believe otherwise. They cross the borders of reason as their subconciousness looks for anything that they can use for being the victim. Instead on focusing on the real racist things, other things are also interpretated as racist as if they're gathering an as big as possible list to show how racist everybody is. Innocent things are twisted so they can use it. It is like they are only focused on finding racist things in the world. They don't understand psychology, that what they expect and look for, will be seen everywhere, not because it is there, but because they expect to see it. Like my cousin always gets treats from my mom, so everytime we walk to the closet, he expects to get something, and forget that there are more reasons underlying the purpose to walk to the closet.
I knew a friend who had many bad relationships. So when his new girlfriend said something negative, or something he saw as negative, he immediatly thought she didn't love him anymore. He was addicted to be turned down. Addicted? Yes, because it had happened more often, he was used to this feeling of being turned down, so it had become a safe place. He knew it, and had formed his life around it. This all had happened subconciously. His thinking pattern was programmed to expect to be turned down, as this had happened a couple of times, so his subconciousness had learned, just like learning if you do good mom will give you a treat or fire is hot, that relationships always turn out to be bad. So after a couple of times he was turned down, instead of just seeing what would happen in the new relationship, he would subconciously cause things to make the relationship turn out bad. He was not waiting for what COULD happen, he already expected what WOULD happen, and so already prepare for it, and even cause it. He would interpretate 60% as negative, not because it was so, but because his brain had learned through repitition of experience that it should be so. So if she made 30% things negative, he would fill up the gap of 60% himself to make reality coincide with his previous experiences. She would say'i can't see you today'. And he immediatly thinks she doesn't want him anymore.
This is exactly what has happened here. I can asume by the post that the writer is black. He probably had experienced racism, plus he grew up with people of the same colour that made it clear to him this was to be expected. So the collective experience emphasized the programmed 'expectancy rate of racism' in his subconciousness. Even if there is no racism, he will still expect it. His subconciousness looks so hard to make the programmed concept to coincide with reality, it will pick up the smallest things as racism, just to fill up the 'racism expectancy'of his subconciousness. He sees a cartoonish way of emphasizing on a stereotype, and sees it as racism as it has to do with categorizing a black person. The cartoon was to adress how the African people are not allowed to prosper as a people because the western world doesn't allow them. So even the cartoonist who is on their side, will be called a racist just because he emphasized a stereo type. So now emphasizing on a stereo type is also racism? This is not being the victim, this is playing the victim. I know african friends of mine, who hated this 'going beyond the boundaries', people seeing racism everywhere. And because they refused to play the victim, they were called 'fake blacks', 'defenders of racists'. The people who said this to them, are so used to be discriminated, so used at being the victim, they have become it, they have become what the racist people wanted them to become. They have broken their spirit and made them their equals in reversed racism.
To make the person understand, Edip is kurdish, the kurdish people have been prosecuted and hated in turkey for ages. They are the black people of turkey and the middle east. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of them just because of their origins. Edip knows racism first hand. But this is of course neglected by the writer. He probably never thought of other people being discriminated on earth next to black people, while writing this post.
I will probably be called a racist just by not agreeing with him. And because i'm white on top of it of course, again a reason to think i'm racist. I write this post, not to say black people have no right to feel discriminated, i write this to stop this looking for racism when it is not there.
What is a racist? A racist discriminates a person based on presumptions of a race that are negative, and makes the person believes he is superior. So a racist that discriminates blacks will believe they're dummer, lower on the evolution scale, thieves and meant to serve the what he believes to be superior races. Now did Edip even come close to this? No, he only commented that this cartoonist made use of some stereotype features of a race, and the poster shouldn't take things out of context and reflect the subconciousness search 'for being the victim'.
I hope 'still a student' will learn to understand the difference between real racism and 'looking for racism', as has been done here and have labeled a person a racist when he clearly is not. If you don't understand the difference anymore between real racism and not-racism, i feel sorry for you, as you then live in hate, just as the racist people.
Peace
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Hello All
To be honest I could not find anything wrong with the cartoon, does not look offensive to me, here is a smaple of an offensive cartoon, sorry
An offensive cartoon
Sorry again
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Peace,
Wow, a whole blog dedicated to attack Edip on a cartoon he didn`t even draw!
The cartoons in the IslamicReform.Org website are linked from select sites. I have gone through a number of them and found them quite creative, while others were simple uninteresting.
To the reader who started this thread, instead of making a straw man argument against Edip and then attacking it, why not come out and share how you feel about his stance that we serve God Alone and forsake the idolatary of the hadith and other false teachings?
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Peace Everyone
Edip Yuksel true colors. You have to visit the link to see for yourself
http//www.freewebs.com/edipyukselexposed/edipexposed.htm
Peace
The author abviously has a beef with Edip, and im not buying into it. This idiot uses political corectness to target Edip with an blank loaded gun. To charicature people, always involve "boosting" their genetic differences. This means that in the world of humour drawing black people have big lips, jews and arabs always has big noses and beards, white folks are often target for our ability to change into several different colours like red, green , blue, ghastly white etc..
IMHO the writer is an idiot, and this is nothing but a low personal attack on edip yuksel, for a reason that is not apparent from the writ itself.
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I didnt even get to Edips own answer that is how lame i found the blog, but Edip has posted a fully sensible answer to which i agree.
Dear brother or sister Haqq
I never ever saw or think those as derogatory or racist remarks against black people. As it seems, racism too in the mind of the beholder.
Now, listen to me my dear sensitive friend
If you get out of your little box and study the universe of cartoons, you will see EXAGGERATION of physical features or ideas as the main style or tool for delivering the message. In the universe of cartoons, you will see people with unproportionally small or big noses or ears. Or Big heads on very small bodies, or small heads on very big bodies. In most of the cartoons, if you pay attention, you will see that the hands have four fingers, rather than five. Police officers are usually fat by donut stores, an the generic government is usually represented by a pointing guy with a goatee and piercing evil eyes.
Similarly, each race or group of people are depicted with some features stereotyped and exaggerated. Jews are depicted with big hooked noses, for instance. Chinese people with very elongated eyes and eyebrows. Mexicans are almost always depicted with big hats. Black people usually have bigger lips and depicting a typical black in cartoons with thin lips would not represent nor convey the immediate impression of an average black. Nothing inherently immoral or dehumanizing in those depictions.
Where in the world you got the idea that big lips are evil or bad? It seems that your mind is polluted by a preconceived idea that big lips are bad. Perhaps you have big lips and feel inferior to those who have slimmer lips. Well, I am now getting fatter and if Kurdish people are depicted fat, should I get upset. Then, you are the one who is racially or negatively discriminating against those black people who have bigger lips than the average person.
I do understand reasonable sensitivity against racism. But when I see this childish sensitivity self-righteously condemning people for their innocent remarks, yes, when I see this unreasonable sensitivity then I get sensitive. I find these extreme sensitivity unhelpful against racism, since crying wolves while there is no wolf ultimately will not protect the victim in the end.
The cartoon you are criticizing for committing racism, yes if you pay attention to that cartoon with intelligence rather than with raw emotions, you will see that it defends black people and condemn the cruel and racist policy of the Western world that plundered their natural resources and supported tyrants in Africa.
So, please go take a deep breath and make a change in your unjustified sensitivity.
Peace,
Edipanyone who would argue with something as obvious as this, is a screwball imo.
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The fact that you cannot provide a clear answer to this is evidence that you are a typical white racist Muslim.
Since when was Edip Yuksel white? Without wishing to cause further offence may I enquire as to whether you are black yourself and as Edip stated in his e-mail, you may have a complex that big lips are indeed inferior, as I really doubt Edip would be classed by any Western European/European American as being 'white'. To me, this disease, which exists in the minds of people today is the real front against any effort in defeating racism.
And please
Notice that he opened up the letter and said, ?Abdulhaqq?, for the reader?s information Edip does not know my name at all, he does not know who I am and he called me ?Abdulhaqq?. The ?haqq? is the name of my e-mail but the ?Abdul? part was his conjecture and stereotypical way of being ignorant.
I am not going to stand idly by and see another Muslim attacked for doing nothing wrong nay, doing the right thing in fact. For your information ABD-Al-HAQQ - for that is certainly what you are - Haqq is the Arabic word for truth. In Islamic context, it is also interpreted as righteousness, right and (certain) reality. Al-Haqq, the truth, is one of Allah's many names. (wiki)
So kudos to Edip for doing the right thing and not addressing you by the blasfemous name you have chosen in your email address and instead referring to you (which is what you really are) as a servant of the Truth, rather than (as we have found out) 'the Truth' itself.
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I am surprised that brother Abdulhaqq (as Al-Quraishi noted, I corrected his name deliberately) used our correspondance to portray me in a distorted way. I appreciate your objective reaction to the issue raised by brother Abdulhaqq. I was bold with him in our personal correspondance, hoping that it would shake him up a bit; unfortunately, it did not work. Before posting this announcement here, he emailed his blog's link to me about a week ago. I chose not to answer him, since I found him unreasonable and too emotional.
Though I appreciate your support and your standing for justice, somehow, I do not feel good his being criticized harshly in public. I feel that it might even further increase his paranoia and hurt his spirit. He is most likely a young black brother who has been subjected to racism and perception of racism in his life. It is difficult to be black in America and perhaps in many other countries.
In fact, those who would read his blog in its entirity will reach to a different conclusion regarding my position on this issue. Though, I find his perception of my position distorted and delusional, I command brother Abdulhaqq for his honesty, though a misguided one. He did not distort or hide my answers to him. Thus, unintentionally he served the truth.
Peace,
Edip -
He is most likely a young black brother who has been subjected to racism and perception of racism in his life. It is difficult to be black in America and perhaps in many other countries.
Indeed, we all have such personal demons that we must deal with, it is how you go about all the different kinds of bad treatment you have suffered in the past that counts. You can either lash out and hurt others uncontrollably as has happened to you, or go down a different path.
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He is most likely a young black brother who has been subjected to racism and perception of racism in his life. It is difficult to be black in America and perhaps in many other countries.
Indeed, we all have such personal demons that we must deal with, it is how you go about all the different kinds of bad treatment you have suffered in the past that counts. You can either lash out and hurt others uncontrollably as has happened to you, or go down a different path.
or do both, walk a different path and lash out at their blatant ignorance. ;D
peace
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Peace,
To make the person understand, Edip is kurdish, the kurdish people have been prosecuted and hated in turkey for ages. They are the black people of turkey and the middle east. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of them just because of their origins. Edip knows racism first hand. But this is of course neglected by the writer. He probably never thought of other people being discriminated on earth next to black people, while writing this post.
Now that's a fact that has been ignored.
If you don't understand the difference anymore between real racism and not-racism, i feel sorry for you, as you then live in hate, just as the racist people.
Good post Arnold.
Edip, the way you responded to this shows what a great man you are.
peace
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I would consider removing that cartoon if many black people feel/perceive it to be insulting to them. They are the best judge about a cartoon intended to defend them. There is no point trying to defend a group of people if they consider the style of your defence offensive to them.
Thus, even if I disagree with brother Abdulhaq's perception and interpretation, I will respect his position if he shows that most ore a good number of black people consider it offensive. Again, the purpose of the cartoon was not to criticize black people but pull our attention to their plight and discrimination against them. If we decide to remove the cartoon, then I would also appreciate that brother Abdulhaq or his friends provide our cartoonist, Falco, with some samples of "proper" cartoons/depictions of black people.
As far as I know, brother Abdulhaq, has been so far the only person showing negative reaction to that cartoon.
PS The sad thing is that we are few people with important common convictions and values and we do not know each other personally. I wish we could meet each other face to face or get to know each other personally. It is imperative that peace activists, free people, monotheists unite their voices and create a united force.
Peace,
Edip -
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