Placing pbuh after prophets name
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Peace be with you Zara,
- Say ?Praise be to God, and peace be upon His servants whom He has selected.? Is God better, or that which you set up?
Chapter 37
79. Peace be upon Noah among the worlds.-
Peace be upon Abraham.
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Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.
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Peace be upon the family of Elias.
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Glory be to your Lord, the Lord of greatness, for what they have described.
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And peace be upon the messengers.
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And praise be to God, Lord of the worlds.
peace
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Dear Zara
Adding PBUH or SAW, etc, after the name of Muhammad as a rule is a symptom of idolization. I have written numerous supporting arguments on this point, but now I have no time to post them here. Especially considering the utterance of the name Muhammad without such words or acronym of praise as disrespect is declaration of idol-worship.
The Quran teaches us to utter the names of prophets without PBUH (Peace bu upon him) or SAW (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) or any other discriminating titles. Please REFLECT on 2136. There you will find the answer to your question.
Peace,
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2136 Say "We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit."
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salam alaykum wr wb
i do beleive i read in the quran that many prophets have said not for sure but form my memory
that they say peace be upon me the day i was born the day i die and the day i will be ressurected?
i think if anyone says peace be upon any prophets
keep in mind not making a distinction
id prefer
Muhammad peace be upon him and all the prophets and servants of Allah
thats justs me
also if your not clear on somehting i think the quran says to stay away from it
so i dont say antyhing after it since im not clear on the issue
Allahu Ellem
but maybe we shoudl just stick to saying peace be upon all the prophets and messengers inshaAllah
amanda
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that they say peace be upon me the day i was born the day i die and the day i will be ressurected?
The verse you are referring is
1933 "Peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am resurrected alive."
But, the verse I refered to starts with the word SAY. Do you see the difference? If God wanted us to say PBUH or similar titles before and after prophets names, He would include them in the text that He wants us to utter. Isn't that clear and simple to understand?
Respect to God's messengers including Muhammad, is not by adding some phrases after and before their names, but by following their message. Muhammad's message tells us to SAY or UTTER their names like we utter each other's names.
If you were an objective observer watching Muslims uttering God's name and Muhammad's name, without doubt you would think that Muhammad is their biggest god. That is obvious from the amount of noise they make when Muhammad's name is uttered. You should not join their noise.
Peace,
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But, the verse I refered to starts with the word SAY. Do you see the difference? If God wanted us to say PBUH or similar titles before and after prophets names, He would include them in the text that He wants us to utter. Isn't that clear and simple to understand?
Salam,
It seemed pretty clear when zenje posted the following
- Say ?Praise be to God, and peace be upon His servants whom He has selected.? Is God better, or that which you set up?
Edip, can you please explain your point of view with regards to 2759.
thanks
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pbuh is discrimination, Allah's say do not distinguish to prophets !
Say ye "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Ibrahim, Isma'il, Ishaq, Ya'qub, and the Tribes, and that given to Musa and 'Isa, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
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pbuh is discrimination, Allah's say do not distinguish to prophets !
Say ye "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Ibrahim, Isma'il, Ishaq, Ya'qub, and the Tribes, and that given to Musa and 'Isa, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (in Islam)."Salam,
I agree 100% that we shouldn't make difference between one and another. It's the notion of saying May peace be upon him/her. What is discrimination I were to say, "... and Moses (pboh)" ...
Who are "His servants whom He has selected"? Are they only prophets/messengers?
I believe that prophethood is selection by God (sort of say). At the same time, I still see nothing wrong with wishing peace upon the living or dead (if even if they do not hear) it is a practice of respect for the individual saying it.
I still would love to hear Edips explaination of the verse which zenje posted. I understand very well Edip's observation of
If you were an objective observer watching Muslims uttering God's name and Muhammad's name, without doubt you would think that Muhammad is their biggest god.
However are we to judge from the acts of men or from Quran? Edip, if you would please be kind enough to explain your point of view with regards to 2759. thanks.. peace..
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Dear Mahdi
The verse is not using that phrase after the name of a particular messenger. Besides, we are not asked to utter that all the time. The problem with traditional custom is this
- Discrimination
- Turning it to a requirement of RESPECTing Muhammad.
Peace,
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Salam Edip,
Thank you for taking the time to answer my somewhat simplistic question. The definition of Respect does include "deferential". My understanding of the Quran shows me that we are to "make no difference between one and another of them" (prophets) as in 2136 and also that Allah has used the example of the Prophets to differentiate between conduct of those who are rightly guided as oppose to those who are not. Is it not better to take the example of Allah as a form of conduct? (ref. Zene's post of Surah37)
You are correct that we are not asked to utter Peace be on him/them all the time and I agree with you about the requirement of traditional customs. I believe that we aught to strive to close the schism between our brothers and sisters. I pray that you don't deny the existance and view points of Believers, like myself, who find ourselves caught in between the view points of reformist and traditionalist.
I will (insha_Allah) process and meditate on your view point. In the mean time, please, if you do see me use (pboh) after referring to a Prophet, please do not classify me as an idolator.
May Peace and Guidance be upon us all.
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The problem with traditionlists is that they do not bother to put a title before any prophet except before prophet Mohammad (a must) and Jesus (you may not). Even in this case, it is still considered blasphemic to say Mohammad pbuh (in Arabic 3alaihis-salaam) because this is reserved for Jesus only. The Arabic "title of respect" for prophet Mohammad is (in transliteration) Salla allahu 3alaihi wa sallam (Allah prays upon him and greets him), with reference to verse 3356
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Peace be upon all of you,
I agree with Magi and Edip that the way to show respect is to be serious about following the very same message they all brought to "awaken" the One God within us all.
As Samia correctly asked, "Who are His servants that He has selected"? The answer is anyone who selects to manifest the God's attributes through programming thier Spirit(nafs) to do so. This can and should be all of us, so Peace be upon us all.
Lastly, it is interesting to note those who put (PBUH) behind the word "muhammadun", but leave Allah by itself. There is no need for any of those additions.
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Lastly, it is interesting to note those who put (PBUH) behind the word "muhammadun", but leave Allah by itself. There is no need for any of those additions.
Exactly!! Maybe you also experienced saying, for example Allah commands or says so and so, no one will say anything. The moment you say Mohammad or the messenger/prophet said so and so, everyone would interrupt you with "salla allahu 3alaihi wa sallam"; and that's everytime you mention him!!
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Peace be upon you Samia,
Exactly!! Maybe you also experienced saying, for example Allah commands or says so and so, no one will say anything. The moment you say Mohammad or the messenger/prophet said so and so, everyone would interrupt you with "salla allahu 3alaihi wa sallam"; and that's everytime you mention him!!
Absolutely. And when you point this out to those who do that, they will correct themselves by adding (SWT) after Allah for a few moments rather than stop saying words after Muhammad, them if you catch them next week, they will be right back to it. Its a SUBCONSCIOUS thing, which is why they go right back to it. We must REPROGRAM our spirits to manifest the proper behavior through the process of "salaat".
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Lastly, it is interesting to note those who put (PBUH) behind the word "muhammadun", but leave Allah by itself.
Idol, why would you need to wish peace upon the source of peace? Your logic does not seems to make sense. Please explain further.
Samia, please be mindful that there is a fine line of Discrimination here that appears to be crossed. The word Discrimination seems to be been popping up in this subject as in Edip's point of view which you agree with. The sense of generalization in your words towards traditionalists is somewhat discriminatory by itself.
Discrimination - Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice racial discrimination; discrimination against foreigners.
peace.
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The sense of generalization in your words towards traditionalists is somewhat discriminatory by itself.
OK. I will rephrase
The problem with many traditionlists (although I personally never met or heard any of them who does not fit what I am going to say) is that they do not bother to put a title before any prophet except before prophet Mohammad (a must) and Jesus (you may not). Even in this case, it is still considered blasphemic to say Mohammad pbuh (in Arabic 3alaihis-salaam) because this is reserved for Jesus only. The Arabic "title of respect" for prophet Mohammad is (in transliteration) Salla allahu 3alaihi wa sallam (Allah prays upon him and greets him), with reference to verse 3356
Posted on August 14, 2006, 075115 PMPosted by M -
Peace be upon you M Mehdi,
Lastly, it is interesting to note those who put (PBUH) behind the word "muhammadun", but leave Allah by itself.
Idol, why would you need to wish peace upon the source of peace? Your logic does not seems to make sense. Please explain further.
The point I was making is that sectarians are taught to say (pbuh) after Muhammad and (SWT) after Allah. But most often you dont see the (SWT), but always the (PBUH). I used to point this out to people in the very forum, and they would adress it by adding (SWT) after Allah for a few posts, but then fall back into thier "programming" after a day, if not sooner.
I hope that clarifies my point.
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Peace be upon you Zara,
What would be the REASON for saying "peace be upon you" after saying a prophets name, only sometimes? Is it out of fear that you should be doing it? Thats what you have to ask yourself. In any case, there is no compulsion and your decision is respected.