praying loudly
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Salaam Nerspi,
Take things slowly. Don't be too hard on yourself bro.
It is clear that you take the quran seriously, a sign of someone who is a good muslim ;DHere's how I see it.
The God is All-Merciful that logically will pardon you for your sins, if you have any, after you repent a true repentance. Your error in how you pray, as you understand salat as, was due to the fact that you did not know before today. It was because your understanding back then is not as good as your current one.So, I don't see a reason why you must go to hell. You are trying your best to understand the quran. You are trying your best to serve Him alone. I just don't see hell in that ;D
Keep up with the studies.
=adley=
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Peace be upon you,
Morpheus Rest, Neo. The answers are coming.
Salaat is not prayer, its a method for programing your subconcious(nafs).
Prayer is called "dua".
We are told not to "salaat" in private or out in the open, but a way in between. The verse, from my understanding, does not speak of tone.
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Salaam nerspi,
selam,
i've read somewhere in the qur'an that we should pray out loud, not too loud and not too low. now it that very important, like am i gonna go to hell if i pray silently?
up until now i've prayed silently, it that wrong?2159 Surely those who conceal what We have sent down to them which was clear, and the guidance, after God Had made it clear in the Scripture; these will be cursed by God and be cursed by those who curse.
2160 Except those who repent and amend and make clear; for those I will accept their repentance, for I am the One who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful. -
Peace be upon you Andy,
Can you elaborate? I am not sure what you were stating by giving those particular verse. Also, if you replace "scripture" with "Universe", it will bring plenty of understanding and light.
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Peace idolfree1,
Peace be upon you Andy,
Can you elaborate? I am not sure what you were stating by giving those particular verse. Also, if you replace "scripture" with "Universe", it will bring plenty of understanding and light.
Actually, what I was trying to say was basically the same as that of Adley. Just because through constant learning we find out now that our previous practices/beliefs/etc are wrong, doesn't mean God will punish us or discard our good deeds. But once it has been made known in "Al Kitab" then of course we have to repent and amend otherwise we will be punished.
Regarding "Kitab", I will ponder whether "universe" fits the verse and meanwhile feel free to post your understanding.
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Salaam,
I agree with Andy. The key word is growth ;D
Nerspi has grown in his understanding of salat, and realize that his old ways were wrong. Thus, based on 2159-160, Nerspi's repentance would be accepted by Him.I understand "al-kitab" to mean, other than the literal "the book", "the order" or "the program" which was always brought by The God's prophets and messengers. Thus the reading of the book, which is a big part of salat, is the process in making our nafs in order with the guidance (which is manifested in the universe), or programming as bro Kyle put it. Oops, I'm getting out of topic here ;D
=adley=
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Peace be upon you,
but i still don't know if praying in silence is wrong?
No, its not wrong. The verse yuo are referring to is best translated as "do not salaat out in the open and do not hide it, but find a way in between"
Has nothing to do with the loudness of your voice.
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Salaam Nerspi,
Well, let us start from scratch again.
Why do you think that salat=prayer? What is du'a according to your understanding? And is salat=du'a?
Perhaps we can start from here before we are talking about the loudness of your voice in your "prayer".Even though I agree with Kyle, but personally if this is the "me" from last year, I don't think I can understand what he is writing above. Take your time bro.
=adley=
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Peace be upon you Adley,
Thanks for the reminder to be patient
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Salaam Kyle,
You're welcome bro.
Well as people say, been there done that ;D
I know it takes time to make our understanding grow.
Sometimes I couldn't even believe how could I understand a certain concept as I have previously understood it.And you're right. Patience is the key.
=adley=
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Salaam Nerspi,
If you pray by saying the words in your head, then that's fine. I believe it's your intention that is count, not technicalities.
But let me repeat my previous questions.
Why do you think that salat=prayer? What is du'a according to your understanding? And is salat=du'a?I assure you, by understanding them both, you can make a better analysis and judgment on this matter. And of course, your final understanding might be very different than mine or Kyle or anyone else. ;D
=adley=
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selam
i don't know arabic, so i don't know what du'a means
and i think salat means prayer, if i'm wrong please tell me what it actually means.i olny have a bosnian qur'an and i read in there somewhere that we have to sound out the words, we have to say them out loud, but not too loud like yelling but not too low like whispering, we're supposed to find a middle. now i've been praying silently, i say the words in my head, i don't say them out loud,
but i'm afraid that that means i'm disobeying Allah, and i don't wanna disobey Him.
i don't do it out of disobedience, i just got used to praying in silence, i like it.and i wanna know if not praying aloud is such a sin that leads to hell.
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Peace be upon you,
Why would praying out loud be a "sin"? You have to ask yourself that question. We are not to be blind believers who justtake any statement and follow it without understanding WHY we are following it. Everything in the God's system is based on REASON, and I cant see any reason that saying prayers(dua) out loud would be a "sinful" act.
Salaat is not prayer, dua is prayer. You must go through the occurences and check out some old threads on this forum where we debate it in detail. While several people have ideas of what salaat actually is, I can only give you my understanding which I intend to display in detial very soon. It is the understanding the salaat is the method of PROGRAMMING your subconscious/spirit(nafs).
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Salaam Nerspi,
I will concentrate first on du'a to help you out and get you started.
The primary meanings of this word are call upon, cry out, and call out (among other meanings).
For the occurences of this word and how it is used, please read 223, 261, 268, 269, 270, 260, 729, 755, 756, 7134, 7180, 7194, 7195, 1038, 1113, 1440, 16125, 1756, 17110, 17110, 2267, 2514, , 26213, 2864, 2887, 335, 3422, 4014, 4049, 4050, 4060, 4065, 4215, and 4349 for example. There are still a lot other occurences of this word. But once you get to know more about du'a then you will realize that prayer as in "wishing for something" or "the act of calling The God for something" is in fact du'a.Now, if you have verified this, one of the questions is already answered. What is remaining is the "salat" question. What is it?
Based on my experience, it is a lot better for you to research this word by yourself and for you to make a conclusion before we continue.
Because the concept of salat is deep, at least for me personally. Its meaning is quite vast, where translating it to a certain word usually needs the translator to explain it anyway.First, if you need to know the difference between salat and du'a (prayer) please read http//free-minds.org/articles/quranic/salat_wakas.htm which points out the difference between these two concepts.
Then, please download an article that I wrote regarding the usage of this word The Word Shalat in The Quran (right-click and save). I do not give any conclusions here; my goal was to create a reference material for this particular word. By using this article as a reference, you may reach your own conclusion about salat.
After noticing the difference about salat and du'a, and reaching your own conclusion about what salat is, then we can continue.
For present contemplation, 17110 is talking about salat not du'a/prayer.17110 Say "Call on (<od'oo>) God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in thy salat (<salaatika>), nor too quite; but seek a path in between.
This is the verse that makes you question. Please note however, in that verse both du'a (in the form of od'oo) and salat (in the form of salaatika) shows up, which of course is striking because it is a proof that du'a is not salat.
One more thing, I'm sorry for not giving you a direct and simple answer regarding salat, because it is my understanding that there is no simple answer to this question about what salat really is. Let's see where our understanding of salat will go from here ;D
=adley=
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Salam,
well although dua is distinct from salat,just like messenger is distinct from prophet,but every prophet is a messenger,and in the same context,it could very well be every salat is a form of dua,at least the way most ppl do the salat,there involves callin upon God,so it cannot be denied that fits the bill of dua.Salam
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hello
salat,dua,praying,bowing down,prostrating,...
call it what you want, that's not my really questionmy question is is praying silently a sin?
because of what it says in the Qur'an
17110 Say "Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in making your oath, nor too quite; but seek a path in between.now does this mean we have to do it because it also says
2430Tell the believing men to lower their gaze ...
2431 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze...we have to lower our gaze, now that may have been
a lot easier 14 centuries ago but
today it is really hard, almost impossible.now, i know it's not impossible for us to pray(prostrate, you know what i mean) out loud, but can we still pray in silence?