1st time reader
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Luke chapter 20 does not mention Muhammed.
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What does it mean to "fight in the way of Allah"?
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I am a Bible-only Christian. I believe that Christian commentaries, individual church doctrines, the Jewish Talmud and rabbinical traditions, and the Muslim haddiths are of the same nature?man's. For the first time, I have been reading the Quran; the translation posted on this website and the ones posted at http//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html. I have questions. I am assuming that I may post those questions here. I will try to remember to ask one question at a time. I will quote the translation posted here when I post my questions.
Please know that I intend no disrespect in my questions; I am sincere in my curiosity. Also know that it is not my intent to be argumentative if/when I disagree with points you may make. I am not interested in converting to the religion of Islam nor am I interested in attempting to convert any of you to Christianity. If you engage in discussion with me please remember that.
The first thing I noticed is 23. "?and uphold the contact-method?" What is the "contact-method"?
Hello Kaj, may I ask if this includes the letters of St. Paul also?
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Hello Kaj, may I ask if this includes the letters of St. Paul also?
Not for me, because of the history given in Acts. Paul was chosen by God to bring the gospel to the Gentiles, the risen Jesus appeared to him more than once, Ananias prophesied to him that he (Paul) had been appointed by God "to know His will, and to see the Righteous One, and to hear an utterance from His mouth." The historical fact that he did not immediately consult with the apostles after his experience with the risen Christ but instead went away for a couple of years and came back preaching the very message for which he had previously persecuted believers shows me that he spent that time in prayer and study of the Jewish scriptures (in which he was already expert), and that God revealed the truth more clearly to him during that time. His clear and logical manner in explaining the Christian faith I find in the gospels is evidence to me that he was indeed appointed by God.
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Peace Kaj,
And welcome to the forum. Being from a christian background means that it will be easier for you to have an open mind when reading the Quran. Please, get your own understanding of the quran and even on the contact method and share it with us. Most of us here are from a traditionalist background and we come with a big dose of bias.
Regards
Peace You are right. =1]262
I have learned that Muhammed "wrote" the Quran in the 7th century. What I don't know is how the Quran is ordered. I mean is it written in chronological order? In the order the surahs were given? Are related surahs grouped together?
peace kaj,
Firstly, it would be helpful for us to know your thoughts on the answers we give. I am referring to your "contact-method" question.
Secondly, the verses/chapters are arranged in a set order, not in chronological order. There is speculation about why it has been done like this. For example, some have argued for a coherent structure throughout The Quran, e.g. the book "Coherence in Quran" by Mustansir Mir.
Wakas
By set order, I mean the order they are currently found.
If you do a search on the internet, you will find the traditional account of the order of revelation, e.g
http//www.missionislam.com/quran/revealationorder.htmOne could probably get a good jist of the revelation order by studying the content of the chapters, but I dont have a reference to such a work. Its probably been done though.
Peace to Kaj and all.
I am not sure how I got to this topic among many after one year idling on internet due to my environment. This topic reminded me to continue my effort studying Quran according to Chronological Sequence of Revelation CSR.
I stopped reading the tread as leave it for those that can answer your questions for meaning of words.
In URL Wakas has posted I noticed the table is same as Rashad left behind with no information for source. I have investigated and have asked in this forum and others for last 5 years frequently if any body know the source for Rashad?s claim. Now I see a copy with no source in that site!!
How ever the importance is the set up of this order which have been tested several methods using Quran?s sura and verses numbers.
Takes few minute to see superhuman design in that table. No human can produce one like that in this era.
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peace Kaj,
fighting in the name of Allah doesn't mean killing "non-muslims," as it is made out to be.
Kafir=rejector of truth
The believers, who recognize the truth, should fight against ignorance and falsehood and evil. That's what it means.
You also asked what the message of the quran was, and it is "islam" which is described as doing good works and living according to the truth, which requires us to be at peace. -
6161 Say "My Lord has guided me to a Straight Path, an upright system, the creed of Abraham the monotheist; he was not from those who set up partners."
6162 Say "My contact-method, and my offerings, and my life, and my death, are all to God the Lord of the worlds."
6163 "He has no partner, and it is to this that I was commanded, and I am the first of those who have surrendered."
6164 Say "Shall I seek other than God as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" And every soul earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you of what you disputed in.
Perhaps these ayats are appropriate for this discussion and may help you understand more clearly our conviction...
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Please, al-Quraishi, would you mind not "yelling" at me? I am neither blind nor deaf. Increasing the size of your letters will not make me give them any more thought than if you just write normally. Thanks.
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Luke chapter 20 does not mention Muhammed.
The name is not necessarily, wine garden means = Allah kingdom. When the previous leassee had not fulfilled his obligation then God (The Leasor) will appoint someone as the gardener blessed by Him, he is the prophet after Jesus (Muhammad).
Thrown stones was Ismail's sons.
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Please, al-Quraishi, would you mind not "yelling" at me? I am neither blind nor deaf. Increasing the size of your letters will not make me give them any more thought than if you just write normally. Thanks.
Come on please, none of that, I merely increased the size so it would lok more legible in bold and italics (to stand out from my text).
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Please, al-Quraishi, would you mind not "yelling" at me? I am neither blind nor deaf. Increasing the size of your letters will not make me give them any more thought than if you just write normally. Thanks.
Come on please, none of that, I merely increased the size so it would lok more legible in bold and italics (to stand out from my text).
Exactly bro, we need the quran verses to stand out from the human words
Salam
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Peace Kaj
So what do you think the overall message of the Quran is now that you've 'finished' it? I only put finished in quotes because we're never done D
Peace all
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To lovelymoslems,
Other than through translation how did you come to this decision that Luke Ch 19 is referring to Muhammad? ?The name is not necessarily, wine garden means = Allah kingdom. When the previous leassee had not fulfilled his obligation then God (The Leasor) will appoint someone as the gardener blessed by Him, he is the prophet after Jesus (Muhammad).?
And what do you mean by ?When the previous leassee had not fulfilled his obligation then God (The Leasor) will appoint someone as the gardener blessed by Him, he is the prophet after Jesus (Muhammad).?
Sincerely, Abuja/Larry
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Also I have been told by a few on this website that the Bible is corrut and dissagrees with the Quran. What do you think. And if you believe the Bible to be corrupt why do you base your beliefs along with what the Bible says.
Sincerely, Abuja/Larry
And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
Not all Bible verses corrupt, you can find the truth as long as you make Al Quran as standard of value.
Luke 20 9
And he began to speak unto the people this parable A man planted a vineyard, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into another country for a long time.Luke 20 10
And at the season he sent unto the husbandmen a servant, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty.Luke 20 11
And he sent yet another servant and him also they beat, and handled him shamefully, and sent him away empty.Luke 20 12
And he sent yet a third and him also they wounded, and cast him forth.Luke 20 13
And the lord of the vineyard (lessor) said, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son (Jesus) ; it may be they will reverence him.Luke 20 14
But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned one with another, saying, This is the heir; let us kill him (Jesus), that the inheritance may be ours (The Sriptures).Luke 20 15
And they cast him forth out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore will the lord of the vineyard do unto them?Luke 20 16
He will come and destroy these husbandmen (lessee), and will give the vineyard unto others (other that Bani Israil). And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.Luke 20 17
But he looked upon them, and said, What then is this that is written , The stone which the builders rejected *) (casted out Ismael), The same was made the head of the corner?Luke 20 18
Every one that falleth on that stone shall be broken to pieces; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will scatter him as dust.Luke 20 19
And the scribes and the chief priests sought to lay hands on him in that very hour; and they feared the people for they perceived that he spake this parable against them.*)
Genesis 21 10
Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this handmaid and her son. For the son of this handmaid shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.Genesis 21 11
And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight on account of his son.Genesis 21 12
And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy handmaid. In all that Sarah saith unto thee, hearken unto her voice. For in Isaac shall thy seed be called.Genesis 21 13
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I'm also a 1st time reader. I appreciate the posting of the link giving the list of order in which the surahs were revealed. Can someone direct me to an explanation as to why the Quran orders the surahs differently. How was an agreement reached regarding the present ordering? Thanks.