Blind Watch-Watchers or Atheist Goats
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As an example, let us take the case of Periodic Table which has been discussed with such fascination to correlate the 114 chapters of Quran. Gold, silver and copper has been long known in antiquity and the mixture of earth, air, water and fire are what brings us to all elements found insofar in its solid, liquid and gaseous states. Over time, classification of these elements started with scientific experiments (not by Muslims, mind you), hence forming a standard periodic table, starting from one element onwards. Today, we have not 114 but 116 confirmed elements with two additional ones being sorted out and are being classified and structured to compose and expand the current Period Table in order while still more elements to be discovered. Ninety-two of these elements occur naturally while others have been synthesized. So where does this silly quranic chaptering and numbering fit in? It seems that the more the scientific developments are being known, the more the Muslims become merrier, all in vain.
Dear Danish
The force in your writing gives the impression of knowledge, however your assertions are out of ignorance. Please go study a bit about the subject matter before you indulge in refuting it, and then come here and talk about the phantasmagorical element 115 and 116. For starter, google "element 115" (in quotation).
It its theoretically demonstrated, for twenty plus years, that the number of stable elements cannot exceed 114. Since then, the theory has been proven correct. The last stable heaviest element is 114.
Peace,
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Peace noble
Nobody is saying ?don?t ask? or ?don?t investigate?. All I am saying is that you will not get far in your investigations if you fantasize about a material universe where God has no place. Material evolution is a theory that says that physical law is the agent of Creation, and physical law is inviolable and not even God can change it. Those who say ?creative evolution? don?t know what they are talking about. On the one hand they insist on physical law, and then they are saying that God violates physical law all the time when he is at the task of creating man through DNA manipulation, and this is plain nonsense. What purpose does this God-less fantasy serve? None at all, except to pander to the ego, and thus to leave the door wide open to all the vices.
If you believe you have medical miracles due to this kind of thinking you are wrong. This is just a story put out by those who bask in the advantages of technology and then begin to fantasize that it was all due to plain logic and manipulation. And they extrapolate backwards thinking that the logic must have started somewhere, and they begin to imagine an animal-like state of man who has nothing, no language, no morality, no culture, no religion, only a busy, logical brain, and one by one he works things out. And then they extrapolate even further back, thinking that that the crude caveman must have started from somewhere, and they hit on the idea of physical evolution, a logical-mechanical process whereby cruder forms of life develop into more advanced ones. So the logical conundrum began in a soup of amino acids, is now at the stage where we are dabbling in microsurgery and so on, and in the future will have us as immortal hedonists trying hard to figure out novel ways to enjoy our 25,317th year, and this conundrum has apparently no final solution What a preposterous fantasy! These are the fantasists that put out the idea of ?progress? and make you believe that their way is the way of knowledge.
The next time you receive modern medical aid just think of yourself as lucky, that?s all. But the machinery that brought you that service is a monster. Those families that work their socks off to put their son through medical school do it for family pride, that?s all. Those medical-researchers who work day and night to invent cures do it for the sake of the profit-lines of the medical industry, nothing else. They profess to eradicate disease, but don?t believe in their Hypocritical oaths, because they are just that, hypocrisy. If diseases were eradicated tomorrow than not a single doctor or researcher would take to the monastery and thank the Almighty for this blessing. No, the industry will then re-employ its mighty manipulative powers towards disease creation. This is because pride, respectability and perks come before everything else, and the Oath of Hippocrates is just a means for them. All these self-serving individualists make up a monster. They will tell you that they are serving you, and that they are inventing all these things for your benefit, but don?t believe them. How that medical aid came to your benefit is a mystery. I can tell you this, that in the final analysis it came from light of the Quran, that which appeared among us 1400 years ago. But do you know how? Through atheists and denouncers of the Quran? We can never figure this out. But this we know for sure, that inspiration never comes to the head of a materialist. Why should it, when he doesn?t even believe in inspiration?
I will tell you what they would do if they were honest about material knowledge. They would first try to find a vaccination that fixes the evil-tendency of man, and once every single person on earth has been thus vaccinated they would then begin the task of compiling empirical knowledge, secure in their selves that things will progress and not regress. But they don?t do that. They shout ?progress via pandering to the ego?. And we believe it because it appeals to our worse nature.
Shaad
http//www.nazrulreader.comPS. Thanks, noble, for the compliment. But I only want to get a point across and I am not aware of poetry.
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Enquirer, Danish does not need you to cheerlead his moronic philosophical tirades.
Peace Bro Shaad
Very provocative what you wrote there.
It is very logical to assume that career advancement of professionals is motivated by pride.
That being said ruling out completely what they are doing and their aspirations is a bit too much.
After all if they were to become muslims Allah will turn their evil deeds into good deeds.
Do not forget the example of Joseph in the Al Quran, where as a Prophet of Allah, he worked within a secular system and benefitted it immensely, while deriving benefits for himself and his family from it.
Regarding Alla's inspirations, I am glad you are mentioning this, because I have started looking into the purpose of sleep and dreams, and thanks to some research it is being found out that these were used by some unknown process to program the mind to solve problems, and who do you think is doing the programming? Allah of course...
Salam
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My noble noble...Maybe he doesnt need me to praise him,as he has done a good enough job of totally refuting the concept of god as advocated by the majority,and the fallacy of quranic 'science'....
And what are the majority of 'alternative'posts,if not 'philosophical and fallacious'? muscle muscle muscle handshake 'First truth is ridiculed and mocked,then it is accepted'...... -
Maybe he doesnt need me to praise him,as he has done a good enough job of totally refuting the concept of god as advocated by the majority,and the fallacy of quranic 'science'....
The Quran contains MANY examples of scientific facts that were not commonly known during its revelation. Can you please tell us ONLY ONE example of his refutation. I only found a list of examples ending up with a personal declaration of something like "I refute and reject"
Yes, "I refute" is a refutation, but is this a scientific way of refuting any assertion?
Since you like cheers, I will cheer you in advance
welcome
Peace,
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Peace noble
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After all if they were to become muslims Allah will turn their evil deeds into good deeds.A very good argument, but the easiest in the world to abuse. The prophet Joseph set an example, but the rest of us settle for hypocrisy. After all it?s not like walking into fire, it?s more like falling into a bed of roses. It is the same argument put forward by every single religionist from middle class of upper class stock, and not only among Moslems. The argument you put forward is exactly the same one on which stands the modern Babylon of hypocrisy. It?s a bit irresponsible to put it forward, don?t to think, with all these impressionable eyes peering over us?
How do you think capitalism sprang up from the heart of Christianity. It is due to that diabolical notion that occupies the center, that which says the Jesus Christ has washed away the sins of the believer. This is what made them justify greed, gluttony and envy (free market economy), pride (material evolution and progress), lying and stealing (law by precedence) and lechery (fine art). The Moslems are entering this game very late, but they are excelling the Christians and Jews at it. They are saying, take everything of the West except drinking and flagrant nudity, observe Namaj, Roza and Hajj, and everything is made right. The Christian and the Jew has to work for their material heaven, but the Moslem only wants to step into someone else?s nest, and this multiplies the hypocrisy manifold. The Moslem way washes sins so thoroughly, it seems, that there is not even shame left.
Yes, we are not that kind of Moslem. But let?s please try not to sound like them.
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Peace Bro Shaad
Yes indeed, we as an Ummah are in deep trouble...
Personally I am just starting to try and make sense of how many filters are shading the light of the Al Quran, and the least I have to say is that I keep on being shocked by how much damage has been done to myself and to the whole...
May Allah open our eyes and lead us to a better way than the ones followed thus far, and may we gather the strength to practice the guidance as Allah wishes us to practice it...
Salam
Noble